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A few questions about SAB / monotub /SGFC
    #20605455 - 09/23/14 10:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hello everyone,

I spend my whole weekend reading the forum, and now i think i m ready to give a try and start growing. But i still have some questions, that i couldn´t find answer.

1) the RTV silicone, is he different than normal silicone, like more flexible or it is the same??

2)Polifyll, is poliester fiber?? A found some poliester fiber that they say is with silicone treatment, can be that one?

3) SAB, i saw that a box with 2 holes is better than nothing, but when you put your hands inside it, doesnt the air move?

4) Is SAB necessary if inoculate through a sponge of alcohol?

5) Why use polifyll in Monotubs but not in SGFC?

6) I read that incubator is a outdated tek, but my room in this time of year is almost 28C during day time and 10C during night, even in that case is not necessary?

Thank you very much guys,

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Re: A few questions about SAB / monotub /SGFC [Re: Defumador]
    #20605532 - 09/23/14 10:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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1) the RTV silicone, is he different than normal silicone, like more flexible or it is the same??



It's special high temp silicone, but most silicone will be fine at 250F, so regular silicone will be fine.

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2)Polifyll, is poliester fiber?? A found some poliester fiber that they say is with silicone treatment, can be that one?



It's just synthetic pillow stuffing.....just use a pillow, or a teddy bear.....

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3) SAB, i saw that a box with 2 holes is better than nothing, but when you put your hands inside it, doesnt the air move?



Yes, but you give the air a minute to settle before going to work.....and you move your arms very gracefully.....The walls of the SAB should be wet, which will help trap anything that is floating around.

I also use a wet towel in the bottom of my SAB.....so whatever falls cannot just bounce back up.

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4) Is SAB necessary if inoculate through a sponge of alcohol?



Never inoculate thru a alcohol sponge....alcohol does not sterilize, it only sanitizes....

Flame sterilize the needle until red hot, then exponge a drop or 2 of fluid to cool the needle, then inoculate.....

Wiping a flame sterilized tool with an unsterile substance like alcohol is like wiping shit on your face after a shower.

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5) Why use polifyll in Monotubs but not in SGFC?



They work on 2 different principals.....A SGFC has 1/4" holes every 2" in a grid pattern on all 6 sides, and is filled with moist perlite.

The heat and humidity rise out the top of the chamber, while air gets pulled in thru the bottom and up thru the moist perlite, wicking moisture into the air.

A monotub has a a couple holes down at substrate level and one on each short side centered at the top......the bottom holes get stuffed tight as hell with polyfill, and the top holes get stuffed loose.

Fresh air enters into the top holes and out thru the bottom holes, which causes evaporation off the substrate, which humidifies the chamber.....

SGFCs for cakes and trays, and monotubs for bulk.

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6) I read that incubator is a outdated tek, but my room in this time of year is almost 28C during day time and 10C during night, even in that case is not necessary?



10C is kind of low.......maybe you want to get one and set it to like 75F........that is right in the optimal temp range....

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Re: A few questions about SAB / monotub /SGFC [Re: PussyFart]
    #20605629 - 09/23/14 11:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

uh, :whathesaid:

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Re: A few questions about SAB / monotub /SGFC [Re: PussyFart]
    #20605632 - 09/23/14 11:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you so much!

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Yes, but you give the air a minute to settle before going to work.....and you move your arms very gracefully.....The walls of the SAB should be wet, which will help trap anything that is floating around.
I also use a wet towel in the bottom of my SAB.....so whatever falls cannot just bounce back up.



Can i do a extremely hobo version?? like a card box soaking wet and use some trash bags to do the sleeve?
Which care should i take to clean that plastic bag and do pass my hand with the syringe? 

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The heat and humidity rise out the top of the chamber, while air gets pulled in thru the bottom and up thru the moist perlite, wicking moisture into the air.

A monotub has a a couple holes down at substrate level and one on each short side centered at the top......the bottom holes get stuffed tight as hell with polyfill, and the top holes get stuffed loose.
Fresh air enters into the top holes and out thru the bottom holes, which causes evaporation off the substrate, which humidifies the chamber.....
SGFCs for cakes and trays, and monotubs for bulk.



The principle i get,so the only use of the poliffyl is make more air resistance in the bottom and less in the top?

Thank you again!

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Re: A few questions about SAB / monotub /SGFC [Re: Defumador]
    #20605659 - 09/23/14 11:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The principle i get,so the only use of the poliffyl is make more air resistance in the bottom and less in the top?



Yes.

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Can i do a extremely hobo version?? like a card box soaking wet and use some trash bags to do the sleeve?
Which care should i take to clean that plastic bag and do pass my hand with the syringe? 



I wouldn't....just get a big clear plastic bin and cut 2 arm holes......done....

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Re: A few questions about SAB / monotub /SGFC [Re: PussyFart]
    #20610733 - 09/24/14 10:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The principle i get,so the only use of the poliffyl is make more air resistance in the bottom and less in the top?



Yes.

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Can i do a extremely hobo version?? like a card box soaking wet and use some trash bags to do the sleeve?
Which care should i take to clean that plastic bag and do pass my hand with the syringe? 



I wouldn't....just get a big clear plastic bin and cut 2 arm holes......done....



I asked a friend in the university if he could lend me some filters, he offered also a UV lamp, can i use it in the SAB?
And if i use the flow hood, will it make a huge difference?? Couse i prefer to do it by myself...

Thank you again

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Re: A few questions about SAB / monotub /SGFC [Re: Defumador]
    #20610750 - 09/24/14 10:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

SAB's are as simple as it sounds. still air in a box, mold spores blasted to the tub
walls by the soapy water you spray into the box.

just dont bump your open jars on the tubs sides/walls and you're golden.
use fast and smooth motions. no uv light needed.

you dont need a FH. 10$ plastic box with 2 armholes is all ya need.

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Re: A few questions about SAB / monotub /SGFC [Re: spacechildo]
    #20610973 - 09/24/14 11:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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SAB's are as simple as it sounds. still air in a box, mold spores blasted to the tub
walls by the soapy water you spray into the box.

just dont bump your open jars on the tubs sides/walls and you're golden.
use fast and smooth motions. no uv light needed.

you dont need a FH. 10$ plastic box with 2 armholes is all ya need.



i know, but all those things are free, the lamp he gave me and he also offered to inoculate the jars in the FH. Can i ve some use for the lamp?
I won´t accept the offer from the FH couse i want to do it myself, but maybe the lamp has some use...

Thank you!

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Re: A few questions about SAB / monotub /SGFC [Re: Defumador]
    #20611040 - 09/24/14 11:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You can inoculate a bag with a syringe in open air just flame sterilize and wipe inoculation point with alcohol!!! People will disagree but it's never failed me, don't use syringes anymore but when I did, don't waste all this time and thought over something so fučking simple. Do it in your room or your kitchen or your loving room it or u can build a sab it's not a huge deal. You've got a long way to go so the quicker you noc up bags or jars the quicker you'll start learning from experience

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Re: A few questions about SAB / monotub /SGFC [Re: Goldberg]
    #20611171 - 09/24/14 12:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Kitchen is a bad idea and also open air inoculation may work for you but I have had lots of disastrous results. It all depends on where and how you live I supose. I had some good LUCK with inoculation outside in open air after it rained but I'm not gonna recommend it...
Now i use an SAB. You could make one out of cardboard if glue plastic bags on the inside an use a clear bag or ceran wrap on top.


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Re: A few questions about SAB / monotub /SGFC [Re: Dekozn]
    #20611206 - 09/24/14 12:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:

try it 100 or 1000 times and say it never failed goldie..
only reason you've gotten away with it is because you regged 3 weeks ago
and haven't done it enough times to even be able to count success/fail rates.
1 of 1 is a lousy rate. 999/1000 is a great one!

my best noob tips is to step back on the answering and step up on the :takingnotes:

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Re: A few questions about SAB / monotub /SGFC [Re: spacechildo]
    #20611220 - 09/24/14 12:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I m no noob and I'm offended by the shit you talk. I regged 3 weeks go because I was on other forums for a while and just read this one for years. I've only grown 1 time? How do you know that? How do you know anything about me? I think you should spend less time answering questions, sir as you've proven yourself to be very ignorant several times.
OP  should be fine innoculating via syringe in open air if he is clean, he can build an sab if that tickles his pickle. I used to grow like that, but being experienced I've moved on to agar and other things.  People like you make this forum suck

Tell us again spacechildo how spawning to bulk and casing are the same thing :smile: haha

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Re: A few questions about SAB / monotub /SGFC [Re: Goldberg]
    #20611298 - 09/24/14 12:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:facepalm:

I spend enough time here to tell there's no way you've lurked here for a year.
This isn't the first thread you've spread bad info in and that's why I'm calling you a noob.

just yesterday you said a sub which was far from 100% was screaming for FAE.
week before you pasteurized hay and not straw.

there's plenty more but this thread isn't about you its about helping OP get his
techniques down and telling him to do open air inoc's is far from the best way to do anything.

we were teaching him about sab use and you butted in with bad info
and this isn't your first time.
So to conclude you should stop advising and start taking notes!

edit; I never said anything near that. I even used the word "difference" when explaining to you
why your filthy spawn was to blame for your fuckups, and not whether
you mix in your coir or add it on top :wink:

Edited by spacechildo (09/24/14 12:49 PM)

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Re: A few questions about SAB / monotub /SGFC [Re: spacechildo]
    #20611324 - 09/24/14 12:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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there's plenty more but this thread isn't about you its about helping OP get his
techniques down
So to conclude you should stop advising and start taking notes!





Then why did you make a whole post about me??  Haha! You don't know shit either but you can type that you do all day long. You should get some pussy sometime it'll settle your ass down.  OP should understand that he is doing this the most beginner friendly way and sterile technique at this point is wiping your bag down with alcohol and flame sterilizing your needle. That's it. Worked for me everytime I did it. Like I said I now use agar and grain mostly so there's a whole different level of sterile technique than innoculating a single bag.

And here this is just for you:

you know the only difference in casing grains and spawning to bulk is whether you mix in the sub with grains or put it on top of the grains right?
get ready to water your trays a LOT more often when just casing grains!

and you dont have an isolated no matter how many times you g2g a jar,
you may have narrowed down the genetics but never to the point of isolating them!

Edited by Goldberg (09/24/14 12:56 PM)

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Re: A few questions about SAB / monotub /SGFC [Re: spacechildo]
    #20611407 - 09/24/14 01:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm telling OP to disregard YOU. that's about YOU, yes.
coir is both a bulk sub and a casing material :thumbup:

don't do what you might get away with, stick to the tried and true which gives consitently good results.

nice rant :lol:

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Re: A few questions about SAB / monotub /SGFC [Re: spacechildo]
    #20611441 - 09/24/14 01:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

OP if you have a good judge of character, take the advice of a humble and once was noob over this arrogant asshole.

You didn't even specify about coir. Great way to lead a noob to believe they could just case their grains with bulk substrates

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Re: A few questions about SAB / monotub /SGFC [Re: Goldberg]
    #20611536 - 09/24/14 01:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

actually yes I did.

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bulk technique?
just use CVG and there's nothing to worry about, manure is a bit more picky on pasteur. temps.




you were complaining about failing grows so that leaves your 100% rate smothered.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20602957

and what's with the name calling? relax dude and lets debate on topic like adults.

in fact you never mentioned peat or anything, you just started name calling in that thread as well.

If you want people to stop correcting you just take a step back and dont post stuff you know will get corrected.
you've read here for years right? you know how it goes. also you should take a look at the Rules of this site :wink:

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