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    #20607656 - 09/23/14 05:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So I had no idea that casing could only require straight verm,can somebody point me to a tek? I can't use coir, or anything else because i don't have a job anymore so I can't go and spend money on things like this because i have bills to pay.i have a rye grain soawn bag Thats fully colonized.should I just put some verm over the substrate in the bag? If so how thick? And how often do i mist? Ect.if i would be better off breaking up my substrate in a container and then putting a layer of verm over it? Should I put the substrate on perlite? Thanks guys! Im excited to hear what you have to say

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Re: Casing [Re: Aaronlefebvre]
    #20607685 - 09/23/14 06:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah breaking up that bag of rye and making trays which will be fruited in a sgfc would be more ideal than just fruiting from the bag. I've used verm to case PE before and got a full sea of dicks, so the verm works well. Just make sure to pasteurize the verm before using it. Shit, you could probably mix the rye berries WITH verm and let that colonize and then case with more verm.


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Re: Casing [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #20607712 - 09/23/14 06:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What does pasteurize mean??? Do I put verm on the bottom of the sgfc and then put my substrate over that and then put verm over that? Do i dampen my verm after by misting it?

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Re: Casing [Re: Aaronlefebvre]
    #20607734 - 09/23/14 06:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Pasteurization in mycology is bringing a substrate up to a temp between 140-160 for 60-90 min. You can also sterilize verm with no issues, I do it lots.

Tray cased with sterilized verm. . .


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Re: Casing [Re: Aaronlefebvre]
    #20607745 - 09/23/14 06:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Here's a link detailing pasteurizationg. It's basically putting a jar in hot water for an hour: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17246844#17246844

Build the sgfc like normal if you don't have one. You can use the search function to find out how to build one. Once you have one built to spec (they're cheap btw) then break up your fully colonized rye berries and pour them into aliminum trays. You have the option of mixing stuff (like coir and verm or just verm) with the rye berries OR you can just take the pasteurized verm and put it on top of the rye berries. Either way, make a lid for the aluminum tray with aluminum foil and then let things colonize. Once it's ready you can fruit it inside the sgfc where it will be misted and fanned 2-5 times a day.

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Pasteurization in mycology is bringing a substrate up to a temp between 140-160 for 60-90 min. You can also sterilize verm with no issues, I do it lots.

Tray cased with sterilized verm. . .






This picture pretty much sums up what I said. Sterilizing the verm or pasteurizing, up to you. But yeah, basically break up grains and then put them in aluminum trays, add the verm on top of the grains and then cover the trays to allow the grains to colonize/recover. Once mycelium peeks through the verm it's time to fruit.


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Re: Casing [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #20607765 - 09/23/14 06:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks so much! I only have 1 bag so I think I can just use 1 tray but thankyou,Ill be sure to post results,any idea what full colonization looks like in casing? Or how long it takes?

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Re: Casing [Re: Aaronlefebvre]
    #20607791 - 09/23/14 06:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You don't want full colonization in a casing. Sometimes its unavoidable.

Cactus mix casing fully colonized



A casing should be around this


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Re: Casing [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #20607810 - 09/23/14 06:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What does pasteurize mean? from what im seeing it means heating in the oven or "cooking" how long do I do it for if im just doing verm?

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Re: Casing [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #20607825 - 09/23/14 06:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What does pasteurize mean? from what im seeing it means heating in the oven or "cooking" how long do I do it for if im just doing verm?




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Pasteurization in mycology is bringing a substrate up to a temp between 140-160 for 60-90 min.




Not in your oven (verm can be sterilized in the oven tho). Use this link to pasteurize

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Here's a link detailing pasteurizationg. It's basically putting a jar in hot water for an hour: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17246844#17246844




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Re: Casing [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #20607866 - 09/23/14 06:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So this is what im doing.gonna throw some dry verm on a cookie sheet and put it in the oven at 150 degrees for 60 minutes and then I'll take it out and let it cool for an hour or 2 and then I'll put it on top of my  substrate and I'll cover in tin goil and check on it in a couple weeks or so,sound good?

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Re: Casing [Re: Aaronlefebvre]
    #20607883 - 09/23/14 06:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The verm has to be hydrated though.


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Re: Casing [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #20607887 - 09/23/14 06:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Do you think i should put it on the substrate and then mist it until it's damp?

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Re: Casing [Re: Aaronlefebvre]
    #20607901 - 09/23/14 06:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Just put it on the cookie sheet and bake at 400 for 20 min. Apply dry and mist afterwards to bring up the moisture. Its what I do.

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Re: Casing [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #20607910 - 09/23/14 06:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome,thanks,should I worry about the verm drying out

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Re: Casing [Re: Aaronlefebvre]
    #20607915 - 09/23/14 06:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Dude just get some Verm, add water to field capacity, put in a baby food jar or some kind of glass, put a pot of water on the stove, ( have some kind of tray or metal lid to keep the jar off te bottom of the pot) put the jar of Verm in pot on rack, heat water on medium high and keep measuring temps of the Verm until the center of the Verm reaches 140-160 then cut the heat back and just watch over it make sure temps stay above 140 and below 180 for an hour.

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Re: Casing [Re: Goldberg]
    #20607935 - 09/23/14 06:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

God you guys are overthinking this. Its verm, mold will not germinate on it and bacteria cannot eat it. You don't need to pasteurize it. Put it in the oven dry, heat it for 20 min at 400F with a lid or foil over it. Take it out and cool for 5 min. Then with a spoon sprinkle over the sub. Mist until it glistens. Repeat misting as needed depending on your fruiting chamber/conditions.

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Re: Casing [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #20607972 - 09/23/14 06:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Some people don't have ovens pasty

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Re: Casing [Re: Goldberg]
    #20607981 - 09/23/14 06:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Then for those poor souls they can either hydrate and pasteurize or sterilize in their PC. Point is that its verm, chances are you could just apply it right out of the bag and be okay.

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Re: Casing [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #20608031 - 09/23/14 07:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

True, but it's best to sterelize or pasteurize it. And for those happy souls like myself who don't have an oven, you can pasteurize like I described or sterelize in a PC on the stove

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Re: Casing [Re: Goldberg]
    #20608142 - 09/23/14 07:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I use it strait from the bag. I PCed my last batch for 20 minutes but that's just because I was already PCing one of my blender jars for a pan LI. I figured I may as well throw the verm in to.


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Re: Casing [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20608162 - 09/23/14 07:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Casing [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #20608187 - 09/23/14 07:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

When I do something as lazy and half assed as using a verm casing layer I half ass it all the way.


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Re: Casing [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20608192 - 09/23/14 07:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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When I do something as lazy and half assed as using a verm casing layer I half ass it all the way.



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Re: Casing [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #20611854 - 09/24/14 02:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well this is what i did,put it on a cookie sheet at 400 degrees for 20 minutes just like you said and i let it cool and i put about a inch-inch and a half later over the sub and then sprayed the hell out of it with water until the verm was all damp- and then i covered it in tin foil and put it in my sgfc and I'll chdxk back on it in a week and see how it's doing,should i be all set?

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Re: Casing [Re: Aaronlefebvre]
    #20611890 - 09/24/14 02:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

An inch and a half. . . That's a pretty thick verm casing. I usually go with a quarter to half inch myself.

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Re: Casing [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #20612097 - 09/24/14 03:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Should i scrape some out?...

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Re: Casing [Re: Aaronlefebvre]
    #20612107 - 09/24/14 03:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I would. . . Just do it carefully, try not to stab the sub or nothing.

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Re: Casing [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #20612191 - 09/24/14 03:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Okay I will,thanks

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