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Case?
    #20602957 - 09/22/14 07:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hey I'm thinking this is ready to be cased I haven't allowed much consolidation and I might be just anxious. How does it look also? This is my best isolate so far but still seems mediocre to me, nothing quick

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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20602999 - 09/22/14 07:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Looks okay to me...is there green in the upper right or am I seeing things?

What are you going to do with it?? G2G, spawn it...?


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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20603019 - 09/22/14 07:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Is that rye?  If so do a g2g and expand it and go bulk if it's your best


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Re: Case? [Re: blueconfusion]
    #20603048 - 09/22/14 07:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've already done that man this is just one jar, it's hard wheat they're the fuckin best. I'd use rye if I could get it as easy as wheat but I haven't had a single wheat jar ever go bad even my first try. But anyways, this is just one jar out of 3 that I have and one of them will go to make 6 new jars. Just gonna case my grains because my spawn to bulk success rate is fucked and maybe when I get 6 qts I'll try a big bulk, I see no reason to bulk just one jar when my technique at bulk is shitty. I had success the first time I ever tried and since then my bulk will be too wet or too dry or flies will break in or something fucks up every time

My first grow was on straight rye and I got six nice flushes, no grows I've done since then can compare, even my bulk hpoo grows just don't hold a light to straight grains for me

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Re: Case? [Re: blueconfusion]
    #20603064 - 09/22/14 07:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

looks good :smile:

i like to see all white before i use as spawn (or g2g) , i'd give it 4-5 days for g2g , week for spawn ; i think i allow more colonization that most who are successful.

have you tried prepared substrate from a sponsor ?
that way you could learn bulk technique without worrying too much about substrate , aka better off in the long run making your own substrate

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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20603072 - 09/22/14 07:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No worries man I had problems with bulk at first the only way to get good is keep at it.  I never use less than 5 quarts of spawn in a 66 quart tub.  I use Frank's hpoo tek works great every time


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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20603073 - 09/22/14 07:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

bulk technique?
just use CVG and there's nothing to worry about, manure is a bit more picky on pasteur. temps.

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Re: Case? [Re: spacechildo]
    #20603092 - 09/22/14 07:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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bulk technique?
just use CVG and there's nothing to worry about, manure is a bit more picky on pasteur. temps.



But manure is so much fun!  But you're right cvg is the way to go to start out


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Re: Case? [Re: blueconfusion]
    #20603113 - 09/22/14 07:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Guys guys I have been successful with horse poo in the past and I have ordered bulk from sponsors which no offense sucks when you can do it for free. I just want to case my grains, I've got my g2g technique down and everything I just have some extra jars and I want to CASE these grains. Bulk is fun but I'm not going big until I've mastered the small end. I think I'd see just as much fruit from a cased tray from one jar than a tray of bulk sub from one jar. My question is are these grains ready to be crumbled and cased?

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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20603119 - 09/22/14 07:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

And do you think I did good isolating a strain if g2g looks like this in a week? I've been questioning whether I isolated a shitty strain or not

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Re: Case? [Re: blueconfusion]
    #20603130 - 09/22/14 07:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If you want to case it. Just case it in the jar with something like jiffy mix, peat/verm/lime or just strait coir.
Wheat is great I used it a couple of times and really liked it. Whole oats are better though and cheaper.

I would give that jar another day to fully colonise. You wont know if you have a good set of genetic until you fruit it. 1 week colonisation from G2G is fairly standard.


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Re: Case? [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20603137 - 09/22/14 07:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sir, the surface area would be tenfold if i crumbled it into a tray rather than casing the top of the jar. Am I wrong?

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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20603153 - 09/22/14 07:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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And do you think I did good isolating a strain if g2g looks like this in a week? I've been questioning whether I isolated a shitty strain or not




can't tell until you fruit , that's a pint jar in a week from agar ?
good in my book, friend .

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My question is are these grains ready to be crumbled and cased?




i'd give it a few days before casing

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Sir, the surface area would be tenfold if i crumbled it into a tray rather than casing the top of the jar. Am I wrong?




what mudafuka said , breaking it up would serve the purpose of giving you many inoculation points

i look forward to seeing you grow it out !

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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20603160 - 09/22/14 07:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Surface aria doesn't mean shit. Trust me. You get a bunch of small fruits with lots of surface area and a smaller amount of larger fruits with less surface area but the yield is the same.


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Re: Case? [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20603173 - 09/22/14 07:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'll take your word for that, but I would still prefer the surface area over barely any. I've got one jar that I'll probably case tomorrow and one jar that I'll wait a week and another jar that I will g2g out in a few days

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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20603184 - 09/22/14 07:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The jar in the OP should be good to go in a day or so.:thumbup:


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Re: Case? [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20603192 - 09/22/14 08:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Word thanks man

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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20603194 - 09/22/14 08:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

And shit haha I just looked at your avatar, good stuff

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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20603201 - 09/22/14 08:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I'll take your word for that, but I would still prefer the surface area over barely any. I've got one jar that I'll probably case tomorrow and one jar that I'll wait a week and another jar that I will g2g out in a few days




you know the only difference in casing grains and spawning to bulk is whether you mix in the sub with grains or put it on top of the grains right?
get ready to water your trays a LOT more often when just casing grains!

and you dont have an isolated no matter how many times you g2g a jar,
you may have narrowed down the genetics but never to the point of isolating them!

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Re: Case? [Re: spacechildo]
    #20603215 - 09/22/14 08:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Your sadly mistaken man

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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20603224 - 09/22/14 08:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hahaha fuck you get off my thread man, I isolated a strain on agar and spawning to bulk is when u spawn to a substrate with nutrients and casing is when u apply a non nutrient layer to your substrate to support pinning:goodburger:

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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20603235 - 09/22/14 08:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Haters gonna hate but you gotta love it when the hater is uneducated

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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20603246 - 09/22/14 08:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Take it easy. No need to make this ugly.:smile:


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Re: Case? [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20603270 - 09/22/14 08:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry I just don't take kindly to ignorance, I rarely start new threads especially on the cult board because there's so fools that don't offer help they just wanna make you look bad even when they're offering no advice at all. It's like they click on threads and paraphrase looking for something to be a smartness about haha

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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20603296 - 09/22/14 08:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A lot of threads turn into flame wars pretty quickly. I just really like to grow mushrooms and hate to see threads go bad.


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Re: Case? [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20603302 - 09/22/14 08:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Word, no more flames here

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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20603416 - 09/22/14 08:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Muda would you suggest a bottom layer of Verm? I was planning on using 50/50peatverm with a bit of lime

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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20603430 - 09/22/14 08:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know I've never used one so I cant really say. Give it a shot and see how it works.


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Re: Case? [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20603499 - 09/22/14 09:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Lay a casing layer on the grain cake without doing anything else with the jar.
Lid the jar back and let the mycelium colonize the casing.
When pins start growing, find a non-intrusive way of putting some water in the bottom/sides of the jar below the level of the casing layer.
The cake will soak the water up as it grows fruits.
You can do this over and over again until the cake has shrunk immensely and no longer flushes.



Don't bottom-layer verm.  It will take surprisingly long to colonize into it. Then that will likely be the first place your contams will show when they do, and it may be sooner than you like.
If you're gonna use wet verm, might as well mix.  In which case, might as well use a bit of verm with coir.

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Just gonna case my grains because my spawn to bulk success rate is fucked
I had success the first time I ever tried and since then ... something fucks up every time



You're not alone, even among people who are pretty darn skilled.  That shit just happens to some people.
The high likelihood of experiences like yours are shunned on the boards here, but the struggle is real.  More real for some folks than others, and surprisingly often it isn't the grower's fault.

I'm right there with you, friend.

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My first grow was on straight rye and I got six nice flushes, no grows I've done since then can compare, even my bulk hpoo grows just don't hold a light to straight grains for me



I'm right there with you, too.

The only difference really is water.  The main difference between grow methods is how one chooses to provide the water.

So what I'm gonna get at telling you is... DON'T CRUMBLE YOUR GRAINS

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I just want to case my grains, I've got my g2g technique down and everything I just have some extra jars and I want to CASE these grains.
I think I'd see just as much fruit from a cased tray from one jar than a tray of bulk sub from one jar.



It's quite possible, but only if you keep the substrate healthy (by not destroying it at this point) and if you are sure to supply the water they need (which a bulk substrate spawning would achieve otherwise)


Mudafuka is right about surface area.
So, you're best off just casing the jar...
This will save you a procedure, it will lower your contam rates, keep your initial mycelial growth healthy and thick white, and avoid re-setting the metabolic pattern.


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Re: Case? [Re: Violet]
    #20603619 - 09/22/14 09:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Violet your the shit! I just came back to check my thread after looking at mudafukas stuff and I've decided on casing the jars, similar to your tek too! Unfortunately RGS hasn't worked out for me yet but I still want to get better at it. I'm assuming I should dunk the jar and then drain it? How long of a dunk? And ill case it

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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20603637 - 09/22/14 09:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ooooooh okay so I don't dunk before I fruit I can just inject water after it starts pinning?

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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20603651 - 09/22/14 09:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Like I said, "without doing anything else with the jar."
Just case it, and give it water as I mentioned once pins are expanding.
Don't "inject" it per se, not into the cake (although I guess that would be okay with straight grains, I've sorta done it with Galindoi trays)
but you can certainly use a syringe and needle to run water down the side past the casing.


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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20605227 - 09/23/14 08:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Case? [Re: spacechildo]
    #20605396 - 09/23/14 10:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Sorry I just don't take kindly to ignorance, I rarely start new threads especially on the cult board because there's so fools that don't offer help they just wanna make you look bad even when they're offering no advice at all. It's like they click on threads and paraphrase looking for something to be a smartness about haha




so much for trying to help :tongue2:

I'm very aware of what a casing layer is, and there's no nowhere to be seen in this thread
that you either used agar or was planning to use peat as casing.

coir can both be a casing layer and a bulk sub, I was just making sure
you had the terms down.

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get ready to water your trays a LOT more often when just casing grains




So do you wanna babysit a sippy cup or have a set and forget huge ass bulk sub tub?

I still dont see my post being condescending in any way but if you took it like that I guess you're just an ass.. :rolleyes:



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Re: Case? [Re: spacechildo]
    #20605704 - 09/23/14 11:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Just get out of here man, no offense but your an idiot. Coir is a bulk sub. Anything nutritious is a bulk sub. But please rather than argue take your ignorant shit somewhere else

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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20605709 - 09/23/14 11:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Just get out of here man, no offense but your an idiot. Coir is a bulk sub. Anything nutritious is a bulk sub. But please rather than argue take your ignorant shit somewhere else



Coir can also be used as a casing layer.......belittling people and name calling will not be tolerated.

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    #20605712 - 09/23/14 11:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I case with coir all the time. If you hydrate it without heat treating it. It won't eaven get colonised moste of the time.


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Re: Case? [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20605740 - 09/23/14 11:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Coir is a bulk sub, it is nutritious. Yes it can be used to case but it is a bulk substrate, not a casing material. I can get technical if you really want to but I didn't start this thread for that reason

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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20605746 - 09/23/14 11:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Btw should I add a little but of lime to my jiffy/Verm casing or should it be ph balanced already?

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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20605748 - 09/23/14 11:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Coir was used as a casing material long before anyone ever thought to use it as a substrate


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Re: Case? [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20605751 - 09/23/14 11:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Jiffy dosnt need lime


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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20605752 - 09/23/14 11:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Jiffy mix is already balanced with lime


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Re: Case? [Re: blueconfusion]
    #20605760 - 09/23/14 11:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That wat i though thanks

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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20605767 - 09/23/14 11:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I've already done that man this is just one jar, it's hard wheat they're the fuckin best. I'd use rye if I could get it as easy as wheat but I haven't had a single wheat jar ever go bad even my first try. But anyways, this is just one jar out of 3 that I have and one of them will go to make 6 new jars. Just gonna case my grains because my spawn to bulk success rate is fucked and maybe when I get 6 qts I'll try a big bulk, I see no reason to bulk just one jar when my technique at bulk is shitty. I had success the first time I ever tried and since then my bulk will be too wet or too dry or flies will break in or something fucks up every time

My first grow was on straight rye and I got six nice flushes, no grows I've done since then can compare, even my bulk hpoo grows just don't hold a light to straight grains for me



Get technical with us please do when you can't pull off a bulk so yes please tell us how to do it :lmafo:


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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20605777 - 09/23/14 11:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Coir is a bulk sub, it is nutritious. Yes it can be used to case but it is a bulk substrate, not a casing material. I can get technical if you really want to but I didn't start this thread for that reason



If I use it to case my sub, it is then a casing layer material.....

Yes, it is nutritious, but it is an exception.

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    #20605805 - 09/23/14 12:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hahaha this board sucks 9 times out of 10

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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20605809 - 09/23/14 12:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

But thankful I can get advice and help from y'all

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Re: Case? [Re: Goldberg]
    #20605817 - 09/23/14 12:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

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this board sucks 9 times out of 10.....plus you got your answer already.....no more flaming us or the site.

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