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Goldberg
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Hahaha fuck you get off my thread man, I isolated a strain on agar and spawning to bulk is when u spawn to a substrate with nutrients and casing is when u apply a non nutrient layer to your substrate to support pinning
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Haters gonna hate but you gotta love it when the hater is uneducated
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Take it easy. No need to make this ugly.
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Goldberg
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Sorry I just don't take kindly to ignorance, I rarely start new threads especially on the cult board because there's so fools that don't offer help they just wanna make you look bad even when they're offering no advice at all. It's like they click on threads and paraphrase looking for something to be a smartness about haha
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A lot of threads turn into flame wars pretty quickly. I just really like to grow mushrooms and hate to see threads go bad.
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Goldberg
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Word, no more flames here
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Muda would you suggest a bottom layer of Verm? I was planning on using 50/50peatverm with a bit of lime
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I don't know I've never used one so I cant really say. Give it a shot and see how it works.
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Lay a casing layer on the grain cake without doing anything else with the jar. Lid the jar back and let the mycelium colonize the casing. When pins start growing, find a non-intrusive way of putting some water in the bottom/sides of the jar below the level of the casing layer. The cake will soak the water up as it grows fruits. You can do this over and over again until the cake has shrunk immensely and no longer flushes.
Don't bottom-layer verm. It will take surprisingly long to colonize into it. Then that will likely be the first place your contams will show when they do, and it may be sooner than you like. If you're gonna use wet verm, might as well mix. In which case, might as well use a bit of verm with coir.
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Goldberg said: Just gonna case my grains because my spawn to bulk success rate is fucked I had success the first time I ever tried and since then ... something fucks up every time
You're not alone, even among people who are pretty darn skilled. That shit just happens to some people. The high likelihood of experiences like yours are shunned on the boards here, but the struggle is real. More real for some folks than others, and surprisingly often it isn't the grower's fault.
I'm right there with you, friend.
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Goldberg said: My first grow was on straight rye and I got six nice flushes, no grows I've done since then can compare, even my bulk hpoo grows just don't hold a light to straight grains for me
I'm right there with you, too.
The only difference really is water. The main difference between grow methods is how one chooses to provide the water.
So what I'm gonna get at telling you is... DON'T CRUMBLE YOUR GRAINS
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Goldberg said: I just want to case my grains, I've got my g2g technique down and everything I just have some extra jars and I want to CASE these grains. I think I'd see just as much fruit from a cased tray from one jar than a tray of bulk sub from one jar.
It's quite possible, but only if you keep the substrate healthy (by not destroying it at this point) and if you are sure to supply the water they need (which a bulk substrate spawning would achieve otherwise)
Mudafuka is right about surface area. So, you're best off just casing the jar... This will save you a procedure, it will lower your contam rates, keep your initial mycelial growth healthy and thick white, and avoid re-setting the metabolic pattern.
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Re: Case? [Re: Violet]
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Violet your the shit! I just came back to check my thread after looking at mudafukas stuff and I've decided on casing the jars, similar to your tek too! Unfortunately RGS hasn't worked out for me yet but I still want to get better at it. I'm assuming I should dunk the jar and then drain it? How long of a dunk? And ill case it
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Ooooooh okay so I don't dunk before I fruit I can just inject water after it starts pinning?
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:] Like I said, "without doing anything else with the jar." Just case it, and give it water as I mentioned once pins are expanding. Don't "inject" it per se, not into the cake (although I guess that would be okay with straight grains, I've sorta done it with Galindoi trays) but you can certainly use a syringe and needle to run water down the side past the casing.
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Goldberg said: Sorry I just don't take kindly to ignorance, I rarely start new threads especially on the cult board because there's so fools that don't offer help they just wanna make you look bad even when they're offering no advice at all. It's like they click on threads and paraphrase looking for something to be a smartness about haha
so much for trying to help 
I'm very aware of what a casing layer is, and there's no nowhere to be seen in this thread that you either used agar or was planning to use peat as casing.
coir can both be a casing layer and a bulk sub, I was just making sure you had the terms down.
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spacechildo said: get ready to water your trays a LOT more often when just casing grains
So do you wanna babysit a sippy cup or have a set and forget huge ass bulk sub tub?
I still dont see my post being condescending in any way but if you took it like that I guess you're just an ass.. 
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Just get out of here man, no offense but your an idiot. Coir is a bulk sub. Anything nutritious is a bulk sub. But please rather than argue take your ignorant shit somewhere else
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Goldberg said: Just get out of here man, no offense but your an idiot. Coir is a bulk sub. Anything nutritious is a bulk sub. But please rather than argue take your ignorant shit somewhere else
Coir can also be used as a casing layer.......belittling people and name calling will not be tolerated.
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I case with coir all the time. If you hydrate it without heat treating it. It won't eaven get colonised moste of the time.
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Coir is a bulk sub, it is nutritious. Yes it can be used to case but it is a bulk substrate, not a casing material. I can get technical if you really want to but I didn't start this thread for that reason
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Btw should I add a little but of lime to my jiffy/Verm casing or should it be ph balanced already?
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MudaFuka
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Coir was used as a casing material long before anyone ever thought to use it as a substrate
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