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I Need Mushroom Growing Tips
    #20600655 - 09/22/14 11:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hey everyone I started a grow recently and I had some questions...

1st. Is temperature fluctuation bad? I live in a place that is steadily getting colder by the day and at first the place where I was storing my PF Tek jars was around 78-82 degrees. I checked it this morning and it was around 69 and there are still no signs of mycelium but it has only been 3 days.

2nd How long until I see signs of mycelium growth in 1/2 pint jars?

3rd Is it bad if I accidentally may have inoculated the top layer of dry verm?

4th How long until I can tell if there are any contams in my cakes?

Thanks everyone I look forward to your replies! You guys have been a great help recently. Peace Brudduhs!
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Re: I Need Mushroom Growing Tips [Re: UNDERdecoded]
    #20600664 - 09/22/14 11:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Also what are the chances of a successful first grow?

And should the lids of the jars be on tight or loose?

And should I have re hydrated the jars if they came pre sterilized in the mail?

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Re: I Need Mushroom Growing Tips [Re: UNDERdecoded]
    #20600676 - 09/22/14 11:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

1. no it wont hurt unless they get too hot, heat also invites other bacteria growth

2. couple days

3. i dont think it will inoculate since their is no moisture in the dry verm layer.

4. youll be able to notice contaims fairly quick. especially mold. almost over night for some. others youll notice if all of a sudden theirs no growth in your jars (stall). and the myceil will look off. theirs pictures around to reference. just search for bacteria / contams



hope i answered this good for you. only one im not 100% on is question 3




edit. my grow going right now (my sig) is my first grow . so if done correctly. high :mushroom2::mushroom2:


lids should be on loose if theyre foil lids.

and no rehydrating it would cause contams. if they came in the mail, they MAY already be the correct moisture inside. maybe not tho. thats why you shouldnt use "kits"


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Re: I Need Mushroom Growing Tips [Re: UNDERdecoded]
    #20600685 - 09/22/14 11:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

1. Yes, but only in much more extreme cases than what you describe. Try to keep everything around 75f
2. Anywhere from 4 days to 2 weeks IME
3. Yes but you're not screwed as long as you got spores into your cake
4.  If you see anything other than healthy mycelium or if the growth suddenly stops you know you have a contam
5. If you ask lots of questions, post lots of pics, and faithfully follow the advice here you've got great odds.
6.  They should always be tight, assuming you poked holes in them before you steamed/PCd

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Re: I Need Mushroom Growing Tips [Re: bloodyice69]
    #20600693 - 09/22/14 11:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the quick reply! I havent noticed any contams yet and sadly I used the oven tek method which people say doesnt work well. But all is good so far I'm hoping for the best I am also doing a grow log! Good luck dude!

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Re: I Need Mushroom Growing Tips [Re: UNDERdecoded]
    #20600703 - 09/22/14 11:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yea. well i innoc'd not using ANY method other than.

no air movement in room 30 minutes prior.
sanitized work station with lysol.
wiped bag (injector port) w/ alcohol swab
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Re: I Need Mushroom Growing Tips [Re: NumeroEno]
    #20600704 - 09/22/14 11:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the reply! All sounds good so far there are 4 inoculation points in the top of the jars and i kept the tin foil off so I'm hoping for the best!
Check out my grow log here "Decoding The Mushroom" I'll post more pics soon I appreciate the help!

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Re: I Need Mushroom Growing Tips [Re: UNDERdecoded]
    #20600709 - 09/22/14 11:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

id leave the tin foil lid on, but have it loosly on for GE and to prevent other things from possibly falling ontop of the verm


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Re: I Need Mushroom Growing Tips [Re: bloodyice69]
    #20600712 - 09/22/14 11:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I used pretty much the same method but I heated my oven up for 20 minutes at 300 degrees then after that I turned it down to 250 and inoculated on the bottom rack of the oven before that I cleaned everything in the room with lysol including the oven and sprayed the air with neutra air lysol! I really hope this works I have been wanting to experience the magic for quite some time now I have about 3 years of research under my belt on all psychedelics. Peace :aweyeah:

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Re: I Need Mushroom Growing Tips [Re: bloodyice69]
    #20600717 - 09/22/14 11:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have them in my drawer and I sprayed the drawer and the inside where it goes with lysol I threw the tin foil away already I heard it was bad. I might do that but I'll see how things go first.

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Re: I Need Mushroom Growing Tips [Re: UNDERdecoded]
    #20600736 - 09/22/14 11:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

saweet. well good luck ! i hope it works out. its definetly more rewarding growing them yourself. i havent tripped yet on mine BUT.. theyre my babies hahaha.

keep us updated and post pics! :smile: people love pics:shrug:


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Re: I Need Mushroom Growing Tips [Re: bloodyice69]
    #20600747 - 09/22/14 11:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the good vibes bro. I'll be doing that should I take pictures of my jars every day? Or just when something happens? I was thinking when mycelium starts to grow I'd post a picture on my grow log. I'm hoping for the best maybe if they stay at 72 degrees where they are now it will stop contams from growing if they did make it in during the inoculation!??! I hope they arent contamed it would be money down the drain but if they are ill just buy some BRF and Verm and do it myself. :derp:

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Re: I Need Mushroom Growing Tips [Re: UNDERdecoded]
    #20600759 - 09/22/14 11:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

no prob :smile: you would know if they got conatmed from inoculation fairly early. yea 72 F is pretty great. i had my bag around 77-84 . 80s is kinda high can invite other growth but i made it :P so your temps should be more than fine.


YUP! now that your on here , for the price of 1 "kit" bag or jar you could make 12+ jars yourself. and have left over ingreds  :aweohyou:

edit: i take daily pictures in the morning, and post them, iv edit my log into my journal already. but i like traccing my progress in front of me.(true scientist)lmao


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Re: I Need Mushroom Growing Tips [Re: bloodyice69]
    #20600762 - 09/22/14 11:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

oven tek = fail. use a SAB.
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3 days is nothing.

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Re: I Need Mushroom Growing Tips [Re: bloodyice69]
    #20600776 - 09/22/14 11:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yea lol I was lacking the jars so I just said fuck it and bought a combo of dry verm to roll them in, a drying kit, and 6 jars for 50 buckaroonies. I also bought a big ass bag of perlite for 20 bucks, a fine misting spray bottle for 10, and a 52 Quart all clear tote for my fruiting chamber for 10! I feel its well worth it because I'll never have to buy most of it ever again.  :raveface:

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Re: I Need Mushroom Growing Tips [Re: spacechildo]
    #20600779 - 09/22/14 11:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yea I already know I've been lectured lol. The place I got my jars from misinformed me with the tek saying that it had a 99% success rate. But we will see how it goes. It could have worked well with the precautions I took. :shrug:

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Re: I Need Mushroom Growing Tips [Re: UNDERdecoded]
    #20600785 - 09/22/14 11:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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...."I'll never have to buy most of it ever again."..... "It could have worked well with the precautions I took." :shrug:





exactly!! who knew it was so great of investment? and yea it may have worked. some things just work out better for people than others. so many variables


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Re: I Need Mushroom Growing Tips [Re: bloodyice69]
    #20600793 - 09/22/14 11:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Exactly, I've read numerous reports of both sides of the oven tek some said it worked amazingly others said it could never work. I feel optimistic about this! lol :aweyeah: I also keep my kitchen pretty clean I do a full cleaning once a week.

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Re: I Need Mushroom Growing Tips [Re: UNDERdecoded]
    #20600806 - 09/22/14 11:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

it will work a bit less often than simple open air transfers or inoc's.
no matter how clean a house/room is its riddled with mold spores etc.

the thing is so many noobs post and brag about soemthing working one time
and think there's no need to take more precautions.
you rarely see these members for more than a couple months
where they are so discouraged by their fail % and simply give up.

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Re: I Need Mushroom Growing Tips [Re: spacechildo]
    #20600811 - 09/22/14 11:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, well what do you think about lysol neutra air it says it "cleans your air of bacteria and their odors"? I sprayed that and then sprayed my counters with Lysol disinfectant and my oven as well inside and out. I planned on getting a SAB next grow.

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    #20600861 - 09/22/14 12:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Actually it does on the back it says "this product eliminates tough odors such as smoke, food, mold, mildew, bathroom, and pet odors." "Kills 99.9% of Staphylococcus aureus and Enteronacter aerogenes on hard non-porous surfaces in 5 minutes." It says it "only temporarily reduces airborne odor causing bacteria" "Kills 99.9% of Bacteria"

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    #20600867 - 09/22/14 12:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Actually it does on the back it says "this product eliminates tough odors such as smoke, food, mold, mildew, bathroom, and pet odors." "Kills 99.9% of Staphylococcus aureus and Enteronacter aerogenes on hard non-porous surfaces in 5 minutes." It says it "only temporarily reduces airborne odor causing bacteria"





probably because air moves, so it can only temp clean it.

i just sprayed lysol on my surfaces heavy, wiped everything clean (not dry). then re-apply lysol and let air dry. then continue . depending if my gloves were pre-packages or not, i do the same to them.


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Re: I Need Mushroom Growing Tips [Re: UNDERdecoded]
    #20600868 - 09/22/14 12:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Wow, well what do you think about lysol neutra air it says it "cleans your air of bacteria and their odors"? I sprayed that and then sprayed my counters with Lysol disinfectant and my oven as well inside and out. I planned on getting a SAB next grow.




if its 99,999% efficient it still leaves 10`000 mold spores in your air.
the heat from an oven sucks nasties all over your work area.
SAB + soapy water = 99,9% success
open air/oven tek/bunsen tek = 10-30% success. maybe a bit higher as your doing simple cakes.
try opening a jar of sterile media in front of the oven and you'll see just how poorly it works.
do the same in a SAB and get ready to be mind blown!

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Re: I Need Mushroom Growing Tips [Re: spacechildo]
    #20600887 - 09/22/14 12:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well I hope it works that sucks that the website has misinformed people... It wasnt in the vendors of this website. All I can do is hope for the best. :shrug:

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    #20600923 - 09/22/14 12:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I hope so :/... It does clean the air it says to shake it well and spray the center of the room for 10 seconds. I would think it kills the mold spores but idk. And yea thats what I heard in the other thread I would have been better off doing it on the counter... I should contact the people that sold me the jars and tell them about their misinformation. Maybe they will send me a few jars or something... I doubt it though the least they could do is stop spreading lies.. They said it had a 99.9 success rate its a bunch of bs...

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    #20605667 - 09/23/14 11:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Are these the first signs of mycelium? I looked at my jars and saw this!!!!

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