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deagonx
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Super noob need some advice
#20600382 - 09/22/14 09:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok So I don't have access to a spore syringe, but do have access to a person that does "culture syringes" in a sterile environment, and I'm really just curious what the heck is the difference, is this a good idea, Should I just find a way to get the spores? I considered making spores prints of the mushrooms in question, But I don't know how to grow from spore prints. I've read some things around the forums, and online, but I just need some help from someone that knows what they are doing and won't just try to "take me in" so to speak.
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20600460 - 09/22/14 10:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: tripdawg420]
#20600469 - 09/22/14 10:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you have a buddy making LC syringes he has saved you several steps if they are indeed sterile.
You don't need spores if this is the case.
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: Ghatti]
#20600619 - 09/22/14 10:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you both. Follow up question, These syringes I just use to inoculate my substrate like normal? Also I have access to some legit mycology supplies, like self healing injector ports, will these help against contamination better than say, the medical tape method, which i find questionable?
Also his terrarium is self contained, and allows for gas exchange using a filtered air pump (pretty clever) but how the heck could I find myself an air pump for gas exchange. I'm doing this in my house and my lab is very small, so I want my cakes to be in a self contained terrarium to reduce chances of contamination and It will be winter where i am soon, so I have limited space indoors.
Should I plastic off an area and scrub the air with an ionizer or ozone producer, when I inoculate? Or will a sterilized tote container with the holes be enough, or should i use this inside of an ionized or ozoned area?
I'm very new to mycology so I'm sorry If I'm asking stupid obvious noob questions. I want t make sure I can do this right. I have a million other questions, but I'm sure if i can't find the answers someone will help me if i ask the right questions.
I've been doing research but with so many methods and my limited knowledge, I'm a little overwhelmed with information, but very confident I can easily grow mushrooms (with the right help and methods and practices of course.)
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20600643 - 09/22/14 10:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SHIPs are wack. Polyfill is your best friend.
Oh, and just fruit in a SGFC. Terrariums are a waste of money unless you have a pet reptile.
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Edited by NumeroEno (09/22/14 11:00 AM)
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20600649 - 09/22/14 11:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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deagonx said: Thank you both. Follow up question, These syringes I just use to inoculate my substrate like normal? Also I have access to some legit mycology supplies, like self healing injector ports, will these help against contamination better than say, the medical tape method, which i find questionable?
That tape over holes method is questionable , but still knowing what your doing will be more advantageous than a legitimiate medical product.
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deagonx said: Also his terrarium is self contained, and allows for gas exchange using a filtered air pump (pretty clever) but how the heck could I find myself an air pump for gas exchange. I'm doing this in my house and my lab is very small, so I want my cakes to be in a self contained terrarium to reduce chances of contamination and It will be winter where i am soon, so I have limited space indoors.
Thats FAE or fresh air exchange. Most likely , idk why youd have anything hooked up for GE. You just need a SGFC, unless doing a bulk grow. You can find instructions for both here. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341
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deagonx said: Should I plastic off an area and scrub the air with an ionizer or ozone producer, when I inoculate? Or will a sterilized tote container with the holes be enough, or should i use this inside of an ionized or ozoned area?
I'm very new to mycology so I'm sorry If I'm asking stupid obvious noob questions. I want t make sure I can do this right. I have a million other questions, but I'm sure if i can't find the answers someone will help me if i ask the right questions.
I've been doing research but with so many methods and my limited knowledge, I'm a little overwhelmed with information, but very confident I can easily grow mushrooms (with the right help and methods and practices of course.)
Plastic sealing a small area and the tote called a Still Air Box is ideal, you dont need ozone or ionizers.
Being new isnt a bad thing everyone starts somewhere and do alot of reading friend.
Stick to a couple teks, search alot of questions because people have asked them before most likely and good luck to you.
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20600673 - 09/22/14 11:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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read this twice http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20541405
read everything in the mushroom cultivation archive. everything.
agar strain isolation -> grain masters -> g2g -> monotubs
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: NumeroEno]
#20600674 - 09/22/14 11:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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EnoRoxxx said: SHIPs are wack. Polyfill is your best friend.
Oh, and just fruit in a SGFC. Terrariums are a waste of money unless you have a pet reptile.
I'm sorry I don't understand the terminology, but I planed on just making my own with a clear tote, like I was going to make the still air box. I've tried looking around and piecing together a plan but so far I'm missing a few details. And trying to figure out the best and safest method for a good yield in a self contained unit that i can get to fruit over and over. (i'm sure that's basically the goal over everyone.)
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20600707 - 09/22/14 11:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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deagonx said: And trying to figure out the best and safest method for a good yield in a self contained unit that i can get to fruit over and over. (i'm sure that's basically the goal over everyone.)
monotubs using damion5050 elemetry coir tek. Private message me if you wish.
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If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow
That it's one thing to try and another to fly
You get there quicker just a step at a time
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The show ain't over till you pack up at night
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: pawnzy]
#20600708 - 09/22/14 11:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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pawnzy said: Thats FAE or fresh air exchange. Most likely , idk why youd have anything hooked up for GE. You just need a SGFC, unless doing a bulk grow. You can find instructions for both here. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341
Man I feel silly, perhaps that it. I know he vents the lid sometimes, but for the most part has an air pump that kind of stirs around water, I'm not really sure I've never seen anything like his setup.
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pawnzy said: Plastic sealing a small area and the tote called a Still Air Box is ideal, you dont need ozone or ionizers.
Being new isnt a bad thing everyone starts somewhere and do alot of reading friend.
Stick to a couple teks, search alot of questions because people have asked them before most likely and good luck to you.
Awesome Thank you! Is there anything I should use to make sure my sealed area is decontaminated? Like some anti mold spray or something I want to be SURE contaminates are dead.
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20600721 - 09/22/14 11:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you have any links or anything I should look at to review this technique? I planned on using organic grown rice flour and vermiculite as my substrate, and dry verm for my casing layer. From what I understand this is a very noob friendly method as far as substrate. Sorry for the super noob double post.
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20600732 - 09/22/14 11:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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no problem I'll link to tripdawg420s grow using monotubs and the elementary coir tek. Just hold on to your junk. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17277772
here is a wbs prep tek (I think the easiest/best) http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8508523/fpart/1/vc/1
and here is the elemtry coir tek http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595 (just do not use a trashbag to cover the tub like the last picture shows)
both standard practice for I think the majority of cube growers here.
edit: these are for using quart jars of grains, not brf. I would say just upgrade now because you probably will in the near future
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If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow
That it's one thing to try and another to fly
You get there quicker just a step at a time
It's one thing to bark, another to bite
The show ain't over till you pack up at night
Edited by filthyknees (09/22/14 11:24 AM)
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: filthyknees]
#20600753 - 09/22/14 11:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What grain should I use? I could never find good information on this.
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20600777 - 09/22/14 11:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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wild bird seed and rhy seed and the standards. the cheapest kind. Where I am it is pennington bird seed from walmart. 20 pounds for ~$6.
ps: before you say you cannot find good advice info go ahead and roll up like three joints, get a pen and paper, light one and start reading through the first ten pages of mushroom cultivation section. That will give you an idea of who are the people posting intelligent seasoned responses, then pay special attention to them, and the threads they create or who they thank in their threads. Everything has already been figured out, just emulate good growers techniques as best you can.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go
If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow
That it's one thing to try and another to fly
You get there quicker just a step at a time
It's one thing to bark, another to bite
The show ain't over till you pack up at night
Edited by filthyknees (09/22/14 12:28 PM)
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: filthyknees]
#20600925 - 09/22/14 12:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the advice, I think i will try different mediums, is it a bad idea to put different mediums in the same fruiting chamber?
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20600949 - 09/22/14 12:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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think: does the mycelium know the difference?
coir and verm are two different mediums and myc love them.
if you're asking if you could combine rhy and wbs in a monotub: sure. But it see no reason to.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go
If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow
That it's one thing to try and another to fly
You get there quicker just a step at a time
It's one thing to bark, another to bite
The show ain't over till you pack up at night
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: NumeroEno]
#20601156 - 09/22/14 01:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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EnoRoxxx said: SHIPs are wack. Polyfill is your best friend.
Oh, and just fruit in a SGFC. Terrariums are a waste of money unless you have a pet reptile.
Ok now I understand you xD Um I was worried about this due to contamination, wouldn't this give me a large chance for mold spores to get in and ruin my mushrooms? I mean at the moment I'm just trying to get a feel for basic mycology maybe fruit some cubes. But I also really want to grow Morel mushrooms. I figure if I can figure out basic procedures, get a feel for it I can have mushrooms for myself. I know that growing morels and cubes are different though, as are some methods for others mushrooms I'd like to grow. At one point I thought about mycology professionally, like going to college for it and the whole 9 yards, but really I just want to be able to grow what I want and maybe make some good food with some good mushrooms.
Also I know this is a weird question, but have cubes every been used to treat stomach issue such as chronic constipation? I have a friend that has very serious chronic constipation and says cubes help them actually be able to go, where most traditional medicines haven't helped them. I've read that they cause some people diarrhea so could there really be something to this persons claim?
Also I was asking like, If I made a cake of verm and BRF and a cake of grain it would fine to place these in the same area like they don't require different amounts of maintenance, or one last longer than the other? I guess what I'm really asking, is it even worth the bother trying more than one method? Like, IDK I just feel like a jackass trying to figure out how I'm going to set up. I was considering solar powered lighting and other things to help reduce costs and stuff like that, but Until I get the basics down I don't want to venture into a non tried and true setup method, I mean eventually I'd really like to isolate a good strain that grow the way i want, does what I want. And In the case of the morel mushroom's I'd like my family and friends to eat them too, so I'd like to be able to make it stable over the long term and get a comfortable grow going.
Also sorry but what is coir?
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Edited by deagonx (09/22/14 01:26 PM)
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NumeroEno
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20601177 - 09/22/14 01:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SHIP = self healing injection port. Polyfill is the stuff inside pillows and you will use it in every stage of your grow
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Let it grow! Let it grow! Greatly yield!
What shall we say, shall we call it by a name
As well to count the angels dancing on a pin
Water bright as the sky from which it came
And the name is on the earth that takes it in
DOG FOOD AGAR
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: NumeroEno]
#20601199 - 09/22/14 01:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I was reading some of the provided links (and thank you all for those searching was so confusing!) and picked up some of the terms. I want to safely and effectively inoculate my jars though, What material should i use for the actual injection? Is one point just as good as 4? and does it matter what I use with the LC Syringe?
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20601223 - 09/22/14 01:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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we need a super noob smiley...
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20601224 - 09/22/14 01:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you're really worried about contaminates getting into your jar, drop 5 bucks on a tote and make a still air box. Polyfill in your injection holes is all you need if you flame your needle and inoculate in a SAB. One 3/8" hole for grain jars or 4 1/8" holes around the edges for BRF jars. I want to grow morels too. You will need to get quite familiar with agar work in order to grow them though. I plan to do an outdoor morel bed next spring.
Sorry I have no idea about the digestive issues.
You don't make cakes with grain. You make spawn for a bulk substrate, which would be your coir. Coir is shredded coconut husk. You use different fruiting setups for bulk vs. cakes i.e. SGFC for cakes and monotubs/trays for spawning to bulk.
Lastly if you want to make a good isolate, once again, get really friendly with agar work.
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Let it grow! Let it grow! Greatly yield!
What shall we say, shall we call it by a name
As well to count the angels dancing on a pin
Water bright as the sky from which it came
And the name is on the earth that takes it in
DOG FOOD AGAR
MY ELECTRIC INOCULATION LOOP
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: NumeroEno]
#20601229 - 09/22/14 01:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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With all that said, fire up a fatty and read every thread on the first 3 pages of this board like another poster said to do
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Let it grow! Let it grow! Greatly yield!
What shall we say, shall we call it by a name
As well to count the angels dancing on a pin
Water bright as the sky from which it came
And the name is on the earth that takes it in
DOG FOOD AGAR
MY ELECTRIC INOCULATION LOOP
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: NumeroEno]
#20601237 - 09/22/14 01:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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EnoRoxxx said: With all that said, fire up a fatty and read every thread on the first 3 pages of this board like another poster said to do 
pretty much sums it up. being able to read others problems and how they fixed it or why they failed etc..
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: bloodyice69]
#20601442 - 09/22/14 02:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you all so much, I've been reading some things, and trying to research what I want to do, But, everything has just been really hard to boil down to one idea for me.
So I shouldn't have to worry about stuff like GFM after my cakes are fruiting, assuming thats the way I go.. I like the idea of bulk but I think that for now, I'm going to try the beginner method. I am concerned about it becoming contaminated though, If I use a SGFC Should this be in a contained area, or can I just leave this anywhere and it should be fine. Would filtering all the holes with polyfil make the SGFC safer, or at that point should I no longer be concerned with contamination also would this make gas exchange harder or impossible? Like for instance, I was drying out some stem pieces for tea and some sprouted their own myc, and others sprouted mycelium and green forest mold, So I know it floating around here somewhere, (I also know now that my drying methods are far far from what they should be!) But polyfill huh, that's just as good as those synthetic filters? I feel like a dick cause i keep having so many more questions. lol Also He using the pump to stir up water at the bottom of the fruiting chamber to avoid using pearlite because it didn't work well for him. I have no problem using pearlite if it works
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Edited by deagonx (09/22/14 02:39 PM)
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20601925 - 09/22/14 04:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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never polyfill a SGFC, if thats the kind of style you want, it would be a monotub. different build, less holes, no perlite. deeper sub etc..
once you put your cakes into a SGFC you dont need to worry about GE because you need FAE = fresh air exchange to trigger pinning. as far as anywhere to put it, it should be in a room without a fan or things making an air current. the design of the SGFC makes its own currents by design. so other than fanning with the lid you shouldnt have any other fanning going on.(unlike a monotub)
perlite is needed in the SGFC not a monotub. you need 3.5-4 inches of perlite in the bottom of your SGFC , wetted in a collander before hand making it moist.
the monotubs do not use perlite because the substrate takes the whole container instead, and will cause your humidity. but monotubs are bulk, and have higher contam risks if youve never done it, or dont follow to a T .
and yea pretty much theyre just as good. i iron'd my polyfil 1/2'' into 1 peice out of 4.
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: bloodyice69]
#20604385 - 09/22/14 11:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So you made like a flat filter from your poly fill? Should I just like, stuff the holes with it, or would heat pressing be the best idea?
EDIT:: Ok now I sound extra dumb lol I suppose the holes wouldn't actually be stuffed would they? but rather held in place to act as a filter.
And Uh what the heck do I do if i can't get any pearlite, or verm for that matter? Verm is hard to come by here do to illegal mushroom salesmen, inquiring about it at walmart got me the "let me get my manager" thing, even after explaining that it's for regular mushrooms they still want to take your name and shit, and I'm not trying to get in trouble just trying to grow stuff. Is there an online retailer for it, would i be put on any lists for it? I don't have any record or anything like that, I just don't like being looked at, I like my privacy to remain private ya know. I just like mushrooms and want to grow my own, and get a feel for mycology.
I really got interested in mushrooms after some psychedelic experiences I've had, but what Really got me interested was being at work one day (mowing lawns for rich people) and there were so many different kinds of mushrooms all over. After Identifying some chicken fat and a super deep purple one with this dip in the top i identified as a spicy mushroom (a russula i think), I found myself being REALLY interested in it.
Another serious question, Is there anything I should add to my cakes OTHER than BRF, verm, and purified water? I'd like to make sure they grow somewhat quickly but i Don't want to be taken in by additives that I don't need when trying to finish my researching. So far All I know is my cakes will be the food for the mycelium, and that food consists of BRF, verm, and water, and CO2 (right?).
I appreciate the help and advice!
Edited by deagonx (09/23/14 01:49 AM)
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20604901 - 09/23/14 06:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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deagonx said: And Uh what the heck do I do if i can't get any pearlite, or verm for that matter? Verm is hard to come by here do to illegal mushroom salesmen, inquiring about it at walmart got me the "let me get my manager" thing, even after explaining that it's for regular mushrooms they still want to take your name and shit, and I'm not trying to get in trouble just trying to grow stuff. Is there an online retailer for it, would i be put on any lists for it? I don't have any record or anything like that, I just don't like being looked at, I like my privacy to remain private ya know.
you are doing something wrong.. explaining you are using it for regular mushrooms. There should not be a conversation. Ask someone in the garden department. If they don't know: tell them to use the computer to search for it, and don't mention shit about mushrooms (they do not care about your home and garden projects=you are paranoid). If walmart doesn't have it go to home depot or lowes and they will.
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: filthyknees]
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When They did have it, I went to buy it (for my friend) and they wanted ID and asked what it was for, I explained and when she went to get her manager I left. They don't carry it at the local walmart or other superstores, so I was thinking of looking around hardware stores until I found it. And Yes I am a bit paranoid but I like to be cautious. Thanks for the advice, I will surely take it!
Also One last question (Writing up my lists and strategy, I read somewhere that the temp was supposed to be between 70 degrees F and something I can't remember, but I need to know because it wil be winter soon and I'll have to regulate my fruiting room and SGFC.
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
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i inoculate pf cakes in open air with no filters in the lids only 4 nail holes . one in 20 contam'd , straight from MS (multispore , i.e. spore print)
think your a bit paranoid  you're well on your way following the others links, but take some spores to sterile brf/verm and learn from your mistakes at this point , ala PF Tek http://www.shroomery.org/8409/PF-Tek
if you dont have a PC you cannot do whole grain, and i believe i've seen straight grain fruited, but i dont think that's easy or desirable
no idea about non - magic shrooms , cubes would likely be a good starting point tho ! dont quote me , idk
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
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deagonx said: When They did have it, I went to buy it (for my friend) and they wanted ID and asked what it was for, I explained and when she went to get her manager I left. They don't carry it at the local walmart or other superstores, so I was thinking of looking around hardware stores until I found it. And Yes I am a bit paranoid but I like to be cautious. Thanks for the advice, I will surely take it!
Also One last question (Writing up my lists and strategy, I read somewhere that the temp was supposed to be between 70 degrees F and something I can't remember, but I need to know because it wil be winter soon and I'll have to regulate my fruiting room and SGFC.
yeah , i think you walked into buy perlite like asking for forbidden fruit from god
shouldn't be a probably at all ... if they ask you what it's for give them a piece of your mind , lol
whats comfortable for you is more than likely comfortable for mycelium correct me if i'm wrong, but you're asking about fruiting conditions with nothing to fruit? knock up some BRF/VERM like PF tek snap some pics and let us see
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: weaksause]
#20605359 - 09/23/14 09:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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tell them its for potting soil. if they give you shit still, YOU call their manager, and like weaksause said. give them a piece of your mind.
also. i get mine at lowes. its only $4 for a 8 qt bag
edit: and it only took 7ish to fill my sgfc 4'' (27qt)
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: weaksause]
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No I'm no where near that far along yet, I'm just setting up my plan. At this point I will take pics of my setup. I don't plan on giving it a giant area just enough for me, a and some sort of table to work at. I was asking about the conditions my room should keep. As in my state it gets very cold and I will have to make sure its properly heated. I planed on having the room as a plastic enclosure with a two chambered entrance where i can sterilize and then move into without transferring much stuff. I wanted to do it this way to ensure that when I do my stuff that I just don't get anything i don't want into it. One for moving into and sterilizing myself and then the second to put my clean sleeves and gloves on, sterilize them, and then move into my already sterile room.
Is this too much precaution?
As for the verm this is exactly how it went, I went in grabbed a bag, went up to the counter, she said she would need to see my ID and then went to get her manager, and I put the bag down and left. I later learned that there was a large illegal grow operation setting up and they thought i was buying supplies for them. I went back in a few months ago looking around for it, and when i asked about it they said they stopped selling it, same as for most places around town. I was told there are places to get it here in town though. So I'll look into it.
My first attempt will be an amazon strain of cubes. They have red caps and I enjoyed the experience, I heard they were easy to grow and figured it would be a good foothold in the world of mycology. just a good starting point.
Are we talking verm or pearlite here? Cause i can't find pearlite either but i will look at lowes, thank you!
EDIT:: Also I'm at the research point where I'm reading this thread here that is why i was asking about fruiting and such. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14508610#14508610
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
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So you made like a flat filter from your poly fill? Should I just like, stuff the holes with it, or would heat pressing be the best idea?
yea i iron'd them together with a steam iron. took awhile but it worked 
i would if your making lids. for a monotub id just stuff it in their
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: bloodyice69]
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That's awesome thanks for the awesome idea! Can you tel me what temp you used?
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20605423 - 09/23/14 10:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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think it was set on cotton or linen , not max heat but close. my iron doesnt have a heat thing on it. just different materials and dots
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: bloodyice69]
#20605519 - 09/23/14 10:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thats ok I can figure it out lol
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
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Would I be puncturing this polyfill disk? during inoculation (I assume yes, but i really don't want to fuck up lol)
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
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deagonx said: Would I be puncturing this polyfill disk? during inoculation (I assume yes, but i really don't want to fuck up lol)
from my understanding .... no. its for GE; gas exchange
my lids, have a 1/2'' hole and a 1/4'' hole, i then silicone'd over the 1/2'' hole. this is for inoculation point. the filter then gets siliconed over the 1/4'' hole
edit: something similiar to THIS.
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: bloodyice69]
#20608112 - 09/23/14 07:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Never stick a needle thru a filter disk.....
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: PussyFart]
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PussyFart said: Never stick a needle thru a filter disk.....
possible. if it is room temp.. and through a layered poly ive bent needles going in red rtv. fuck taking lid off. straight through poly. (cold tho... i dont flame.) don't recomended it tho
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: PurePleasure]
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Ok wait wait, I'm confused. I'm not using ships, for my inoculation points, and i didn't want some medical tape on my lids for inoculation points. (if this is the only method like in the videos linked here, I will do it)
If I'm getting this right, I need to not have the poly over my lids before inoculation, but put them on after for gas exchange?
Would these disks (that i would be making from polyfill) be sterilized in the steam bath with my jars before inoculation?
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: filthyknees]
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deagonx said: And Uh what the heck do I do if i can't get any pearlite, or verm for that matter? Verm is hard to come by here do to illegal mushroom salesmen, inquiring about it at walmart got me the "let me get my manager" thing, even after explaining that it's for regular mushrooms they still want to take your name and shit, and I'm not trying to get in trouble just trying to grow stuff. Is there an online retailer for it, would i be put on any lists for it? I don't have any record or anything like that, I just don't like being looked at, I like my privacy to remain private ya know.
you are doing something wrong.. explaining you are using it for regular mushrooms. There should not be a conversation. Ask someone in the garden department. If they don't know: tell them to use the computer to search for it, and don't mention shit about mushrooms (they do not care about your home and garden projects=you are paranoid). If walmart doesn't have it go to home depot or lowes and they will.
ps if you are this paranoid buy your supplies in bulk and with cash
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
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deagonx said: Ok wait wait, I'm confused. I'm not using ships, for my inoculation points, and i didn't want some medical tape on my lids for inoculation points. (if this is the only method like in the videos linked here, I will do it)
If I'm getting this right, I need to not have the poly over my lids before inoculation, but put them on after for gas exchange?
Would these disks (that i would be making from polyfill) be sterilized in the steam bath with my jars before inoculation?
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bloodyice69 said: my lids, have a 1/2'' hole and a 1/4'' hole, i then silicone'd over the 1/2'' hole. this is for inoculation point. the filter then gets siliconed over the 1/4'' hole
you can make it smaller, the innoc points (1/2'') 3/8'' works aswell. you can buy silicone in the paint area of walmart. make sure its 100% and up to 400 F tested.(so you can use them when you sterilize your jars)
and yes the filter disks would be sterile if they were on the lids , when you sterilized the jars.(if the lids where on)
the silicone replaces the medical things in that link.
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: bloodyice69]
#20609024 - 09/23/14 10:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ok, so instead of injectors ports just use standard silicone rated too 400 degrees? then after i inoculate put the polyfil filter on top? Why would I need the filter if my inoculation points are sealed?
EDIT:: ok I'm stupid, I get it now, a port for gas exchange and siliconed injector ports, thank you! A topic here discussed plastic lids and this really seems like the best solution. It only hass one inoculation point although i was going to do 4
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: PurePleasure]
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: PussyFart]
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thats really ironic because i just banned you for flaming
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: cronicr]
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Because the question was never addressed I'd like to ask again, i heard that adding gypsum to your cakes is good, is this true?
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
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It can be.....it's not needed but adding a tiny bit wont hurt a thing.
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
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deagonx said: Because the question was never addressed I'd like to ask again, i heard that adding gypsum to your cakes is good, is this true?
i added 10% gypsum in my bulk sub. the more ingreds, the more nutrients the mushies have to pull from
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: bloodyice69]
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Are there any online retailers for spore syringes that I wouldn't have to be concerned about getting shipped to my house, preferably one that doesn't use the USPS? My friend is seeming somewhat reluctant to part with syringes now, and I'm a little too far into this to just pack up and go home.
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
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deagonx said: ok, so instead of injectors ports just use standard silicone rated too 400 degrees? then after i inoculate put the polyfil filter on top? Why would I need the filter if my inoculation points are sealed?
EDIT:: ok I'm stupid, I get it now, a port for gas exchange and siliconed injector ports, thank you! A topic here discussed plastic lids and this really seems like the best solution. It only hass one inoculation point although i was going to do 4
you make the lids. complete. with filter and silicone. you innoc thru the siliconed holes. the filter is to allow GE during colonization. and you can modify the lids however. just keep the concept the same, know what i mean? plastic, metal. theyre all the same. just preference on being easier or not to drill the holes.
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: bloodyice69]
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Thank you so much! Have you personally used any of the sponsors to safely get spores? Eventually I wanna grow amanita muscaria, but thats a little down the road right now i wanna do cubes and morel
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20610576 - 09/24/14 09:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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iv used TSD
edit: youll always safely get them. having a spore syringe isnt illegal. theyre sold for microscope research.
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bloodyice69 said: iv used The Spore Depot.
edit: youll always safely get them. having a spore syringe isnt illegal. theyre sold for microscope research.
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edit: youll always safely get them. having a spore syringe isnt illegal. theyre sold for microscope research.
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bloodyice69 said: iv used TSD
you'll always safely get them. having a spore syringe isnt illegal. theyre sold for microscope research.
 You sir, Thank you If there was a karma system I would be giving you all the clicks xD
EDIT:: I now have that giggly kid in a candy store feeling xD I also really need a microscope too so the sponsor page has been helpful already!  Is there a reason I can't post there? I have questions that could be answered in a current topic there. Q.Q Its ok though You all have been so helpful I really Appreciate it, and as everything is set up I'll take pictures and log it and provide my experiences to you all. And perhaps people can help with advice along the way, idk yet I haven't begun anything yet, but i expect issues. EDIT::2 So I remembered Medical Marijuana is legal in my state and went over to my local hydroponic store and there was my verm, found perlite at home depot (though it is the miracle grow kind is this bad?)
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