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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
    #20601224 - 09/22/14 01:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If you're really worried about contaminates getting into your jar, drop 5 bucks on a tote and make a still air box. Polyfill in your injection holes is all you need if you flame your needle and inoculate in a SAB. One 3/8" hole for grain jars or 4 1/8" holes around the edges for BRF jars.  I want to grow morels too. You will need to get quite familiar with agar work in order to grow them though. I plan to do an outdoor morel bed next spring.

Sorry I have no idea about the digestive issues.

You don't make cakes with grain. You make spawn for a bulk substrate, which would be your coir. Coir is shredded coconut husk. You use different fruiting setups for bulk vs. cakes i.e. SGFC for cakes and monotubs/trays for spawning to bulk.

Lastly if you want to make a good isolate, once again, get really friendly with agar work. :cheers:


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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: NumeroEno]
    #20601229 - 09/22/14 01:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

With all that said, fire up a fatty and read every thread on the first 3 pages of this board like another poster said to do :smile:


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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: NumeroEno]
    #20601237 - 09/22/14 01:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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With all that said, fire up a fatty and read every thread on the first 3 pages of this board like another poster said to do :smile:





:whathesaid: pretty much sums it up. being able to read others problems and how they fixed it or why they failed etc..


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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: bloodyice69]
    #20601442 - 09/22/14 02:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you all so much, I've been reading some things, and trying to research what I want to do, But, everything has just been really hard to boil down to one idea for me.

So I shouldn't have to worry about stuff like GFM after my cakes are fruiting, assuming thats the way I go.. I like the idea of bulk but I think that for now, I'm going to try the beginner method. I am concerned about it becoming contaminated though, If I use a SGFC Should this be in a contained area, or can I just leave this anywhere and it should be fine. Would filtering all the holes with polyfil make the SGFC safer, or at that point should I no longer be concerned with contamination also would this make gas exchange harder or impossible? Like for instance, I was drying out some stem pieces for tea and some sprouted their own myc, and others sprouted mycelium and green forest mold, So I know it floating around here somewhere, (I also know now that my drying methods are far far from what they should be!)
But polyfill huh, that's just as good as those synthetic filters?
I feel like a dick cause i keep having so many more questions. lol
Also He using the pump to stir up water at the bottom of the fruiting chamber to avoid using pearlite because it didn't work well for him. I have no problem using pearlite if it works


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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
    #20601925 - 09/22/14 04:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

never polyfill a SGFC, if thats the kind of style you want, it would be a monotub. different build, less holes, no perlite. deeper sub etc..

once you put your cakes into a SGFC you dont need to worry about GE because you need FAE = fresh air exchange to trigger pinning. as far as anywhere to put it, it should be in a room without a fan or things making an air current. the design of the SGFC makes its own currents by design. so other than fanning with the lid you shouldnt have any other fanning going on.(unlike a monotub)

perlite is needed in the SGFC not a monotub. you need 3.5-4 inches of perlite in the bottom of your SGFC , wetted in a collander before hand making it moist.

the monotubs do not use perlite because the substrate takes the whole container instead, and will cause your humidity. but monotubs are bulk, and have higher contam risks if youve never done it, or dont follow to a T .

and yea pretty much theyre just as good. i iron'd my polyfil 1/2'' into 1 peice out of 4.


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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: bloodyice69]
    #20604385 - 09/22/14 11:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So you made like a flat filter from your poly fill? Should I just like, stuff the holes with it, or would heat pressing be the best idea?

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Ok now I sound extra dumb lol I suppose the holes wouldn't actually be stuffed would they? but rather held in place to act as a filter.

And Uh what the heck do I do if i can't get any pearlite, or verm for that matter? Verm is hard to come by here do to illegal mushroom salesmen, inquiring about it at walmart got me the "let me get my manager" thing, even after explaining that it's for regular mushrooms they still want to take your name and shit, and I'm not trying to get in trouble just trying to grow stuff. Is there an online retailer for it, would i be put on any lists for it? I don't have any record or anything like that, I just don't like being looked at, I like my privacy to remain private ya know. I just like mushrooms and want to grow my own, and get a feel for mycology.

I really got interested in mushrooms after some psychedelic experiences I've had, but what Really got me interested was being at work one day (mowing lawns for rich people) and there were so many different kinds of mushrooms all over. After Identifying  some chicken fat and a super deep purple one with this dip in the top i identified as a spicy mushroom (a russula i think), I found myself being REALLY interested in it.

Another serious question, Is there anything I should add to my cakes OTHER than BRF, verm, and purified water? I'd like to make sure they grow somewhat quickly but i Don't want to be taken in by additives that I don't need when trying to finish my researching. So far All I know is my cakes will be the food for the mycelium, and that food consists of BRF, verm, and water, and CO2 (right?).

I appreciate the help and advice!

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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
    #20604901 - 09/23/14 06:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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And Uh what the heck do I do if i can't get any pearlite, or verm for that matter? Verm is hard to come by here do to illegal mushroom salesmen, inquiring about it at walmart got me the "let me get my manager" thing, even after explaining that it's for regular mushrooms they still want to take your name and shit, and I'm not trying to get in trouble just trying to grow stuff. Is there an online retailer for it, would i be put on any lists for it? I don't have any record or anything like that, I just don't like being looked at, I like my privacy to remain private ya know.




:facepalm3: you are doing something wrong.. explaining you are using it for regular mushrooms. There should not be a conversation. Ask someone in the garden department. If they don't know: tell them to use the computer to search for it, and don't mention shit about mushrooms (they do not care about your home and garden projects=you are paranoid). If walmart doesn't have it go to home depot or lowes and they will.

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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: filthyknees]
    #20605096 - 09/23/14 07:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

When They did have it, I went to buy it (for my friend) and they wanted ID and asked what it was for, I explained and when she went to get her manager I left. They don't carry it at the local walmart or other superstores, so I was thinking of looking around hardware stores until I found it. And Yes I am a bit paranoid but I like to be cautious. Thanks for the advice, I will surely take it!

Also One last question (Writing up my lists and strategy, I read somewhere that the temp was supposed to be between 70 degrees F and something I can't remember, but I need to know because it wil be winter soon and I'll have to regulate my fruiting room and SGFC.


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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
    #20605327 - 09/23/14 09:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i inoculate pf cakes in open air with no filters in the lids only 4 nail holes . one in 20 contam'd , straight from MS (multispore , i.e. spore print)

think your a bit paranoid :smile:
you're well on your way following the others links,
but take some spores to sterile brf/verm and learn from your mistakes
at this point , ala PF Tek http://www.shroomery.org/8409/PF-Tek

if you dont have a PC you cannot do whole grain,
and i believe i've seen straight grain fruited,
but i dont think that's easy or desirable

no idea about non - magic shrooms , cubes would likely be a good starting point tho ! dont quote me , idk

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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
    #20605345 - 09/23/14 09:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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When They did have it, I went to buy it (for my friend) and they wanted ID and asked what it was for, I explained and when she went to get her manager I left. They don't carry it at the local walmart or other superstores, so I was thinking of looking around hardware stores until I found it. And Yes I am a bit paranoid but I like to be cautious. Thanks for the advice, I will surely take it!

Also One last question (Writing up my lists and strategy, I read somewhere that the temp was supposed to be between 70 degrees F and something I can't remember, but I need to know because it wil be winter soon and I'll have to regulate my fruiting room and SGFC.




yeah , i think you walked into buy perlite like asking for forbidden fruit from god

shouldn't be a probably at all ... if they ask you what it's for give them a piece of your mind , lol

whats comfortable for you is more than likely comfortable for mycelium
correct me if i'm wrong, but you're asking about fruiting conditions with nothing to fruit? knock up some BRF/VERM like PF tek snap some pics and let us see :smile:

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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: weaksause]
    #20605359 - 09/23/14 09:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

tell them its for potting soil. if they give you shit still, YOU call their manager, and like weaksause said. give them a piece of your mind.


also. i get mine at lowes. its only $4 for a 8 qt bag



edit: and it only took 7ish to fill my sgfc 4'' (27qt)


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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: weaksause]
    #20605379 - 09/23/14 10:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No I'm no where near that far along yet, I'm just setting up my plan. At this point I will take pics of my setup. I don't plan on giving it a giant area just enough for me, a and some sort of table to work at. I was asking about the conditions my room should keep. As in my state it gets very cold and I will have to make sure its properly heated. I planed on having the room as a plastic enclosure with a two chambered entrance where i can sterilize and then move into without transferring much stuff. I wanted to do it this way to ensure that when I do my stuff that I just don't get anything i don't want into it. One for moving into and sterilizing myself and then the second to put my clean sleeves and gloves on, sterilize them, and then move into my already sterile room.

Is this too much precaution?

As for the verm this is exactly how it went, I went in grabbed a bag, went up to the counter, she said she would need to see my ID and then went to get her manager, and I put the bag down and left. I later learned that there was a large illegal grow operation setting up and they thought i was buying supplies for them. I went back in a few months ago looking around for it, and when i asked about it they said they stopped selling it, same as for most places around town. I was told there are places to get it here in town though. So I'll look into it.

My first attempt will be an amazon strain of cubes. They have red caps and I enjoyed the experience, I heard they were easy to grow and figured it would be a good foothold in the world of mycology. just a good starting point.

Are we talking verm or pearlite here? Cause i can't find pearlite either but i will look at lowes, thank you!

EDIT::
Also I'm at the research point where I'm reading this thread here that is why i was asking about fruiting and such.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14508610#14508610


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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
    #20605409 - 09/23/14 10:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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So you made like a flat filter from your poly fill? Should I just like, stuff the holes with it, or would heat pressing be the best idea?






yea i iron'd them together with a steam iron. took awhile but it worked :smile:


i would if your making lids. for a monotub id just stuff it in their


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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: bloodyice69]
    #20605410 - 09/23/14 10:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That's awesome thanks for the awesome idea! Can you tel me what temp you used?


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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
    #20605423 - 09/23/14 10:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

think it was set on cotton or linen , not max heat but close. my iron doesnt have a heat thing on it. just different materials and dots  :facepalm3:


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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: bloodyice69]
    #20605519 - 09/23/14 10:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thats ok I can figure it out lol


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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
    #20608042 - 09/23/14 07:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Would I be puncturing this polyfill disk? during inoculation (I assume yes, but i really don't want to fuck up lol)


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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
    #20608104 - 09/23/14 07:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Would I be puncturing this polyfill disk? during inoculation (I assume yes, but i really don't want to fuck up lol)





from my understanding .... no. its for GE; gas exchange

my lids, have a 1/2'' hole and a 1/4'' hole, i then silicone'd over the 1/2'' hole. this is for inoculation point. the filter then gets siliconed over the 1/4'' hole


edit:  something similiar to THIS.


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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: bloodyice69]
    #20608112 - 09/23/14 07:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Never stick a needle thru a filter disk.....

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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: PussyFart]
    #20608197 - 09/23/14 07:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Never stick a needle thru a filter disk.....


possible. if it is room temp.. and through a layered poly
ive bent needles going in red rtv.
fuck taking lid off.
straight through poly.
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