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deagonx
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Super noob need some advice
#20600382 - 09/22/14 09:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok So I don't have access to a spore syringe, but do have access to a person that does "culture syringes" in a sterile environment, and I'm really just curious what the heck is the difference, is this a good idea, Should I just find a way to get the spores? I considered making spores prints of the mushrooms in question, But I don't know how to grow from spore prints. I've read some things around the forums, and online, but I just need some help from someone that knows what they are doing and won't just try to "take me in" so to speak.
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tripdawg420
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20600460 - 09/22/14 10:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ghatti
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: tripdawg420]
#20600469 - 09/22/14 10:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you have a buddy making LC syringes he has saved you several steps if they are indeed sterile.
You don't need spores if this is the case.
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deagonx
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: Ghatti]
#20600619 - 09/22/14 10:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you both. Follow up question, These syringes I just use to inoculate my substrate like normal? Also I have access to some legit mycology supplies, like self healing injector ports, will these help against contamination better than say, the medical tape method, which i find questionable?
Also his terrarium is self contained, and allows for gas exchange using a filtered air pump (pretty clever) but how the heck could I find myself an air pump for gas exchange. I'm doing this in my house and my lab is very small, so I want my cakes to be in a self contained terrarium to reduce chances of contamination and It will be winter where i am soon, so I have limited space indoors.
Should I plastic off an area and scrub the air with an ionizer or ozone producer, when I inoculate? Or will a sterilized tote container with the holes be enough, or should i use this inside of an ionized or ozoned area?
I'm very new to mycology so I'm sorry If I'm asking stupid obvious noob questions. I want t make sure I can do this right. I have a million other questions, but I'm sure if i can't find the answers someone will help me if i ask the right questions.
I've been doing research but with so many methods and my limited knowledge, I'm a little overwhelmed with information, but very confident I can easily grow mushrooms (with the right help and methods and practices of course.)
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NumeroEno
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20600643 - 09/22/14 10:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SHIPs are wack. Polyfill is your best friend.
Oh, and just fruit in a SGFC. Terrariums are a waste of money unless you have a pet reptile.
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Edited by NumeroEno (09/22/14 11:00 AM)
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20600649 - 09/22/14 11:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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deagonx said: Thank you both. Follow up question, These syringes I just use to inoculate my substrate like normal? Also I have access to some legit mycology supplies, like self healing injector ports, will these help against contamination better than say, the medical tape method, which i find questionable?
That tape over holes method is questionable , but still knowing what your doing will be more advantageous than a legitimiate medical product.
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deagonx said: Also his terrarium is self contained, and allows for gas exchange using a filtered air pump (pretty clever) but how the heck could I find myself an air pump for gas exchange. I'm doing this in my house and my lab is very small, so I want my cakes to be in a self contained terrarium to reduce chances of contamination and It will be winter where i am soon, so I have limited space indoors.
Thats FAE or fresh air exchange. Most likely , idk why youd have anything hooked up for GE. You just need a SGFC, unless doing a bulk grow. You can find instructions for both here. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341
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deagonx said: Should I plastic off an area and scrub the air with an ionizer or ozone producer, when I inoculate? Or will a sterilized tote container with the holes be enough, or should i use this inside of an ionized or ozoned area?
I'm very new to mycology so I'm sorry If I'm asking stupid obvious noob questions. I want t make sure I can do this right. I have a million other questions, but I'm sure if i can't find the answers someone will help me if i ask the right questions.
I've been doing research but with so many methods and my limited knowledge, I'm a little overwhelmed with information, but very confident I can easily grow mushrooms (with the right help and methods and practices of course.)
Plastic sealing a small area and the tote called a Still Air Box is ideal, you dont need ozone or ionizers.
Being new isnt a bad thing everyone starts somewhere and do alot of reading friend.
Stick to a couple teks, search alot of questions because people have asked them before most likely and good luck to you.
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filthyknees
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20600673 - 09/22/14 11:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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read this twice http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20541405
read everything in the mushroom cultivation archive. everything.
agar strain isolation -> grain masters -> g2g -> monotubs
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deagonx
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: NumeroEno]
#20600674 - 09/22/14 11:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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EnoRoxxx said: SHIPs are wack. Polyfill is your best friend.
Oh, and just fruit in a SGFC. Terrariums are a waste of money unless you have a pet reptile.
I'm sorry I don't understand the terminology, but I planed on just making my own with a clear tote, like I was going to make the still air box. I've tried looking around and piecing together a plan but so far I'm missing a few details. And trying to figure out the best and safest method for a good yield in a self contained unit that i can get to fruit over and over. (i'm sure that's basically the goal over everyone.)
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filthyknees
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20600707 - 09/22/14 11:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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deagonx said: And trying to figure out the best and safest method for a good yield in a self contained unit that i can get to fruit over and over. (i'm sure that's basically the goal over everyone.)
monotubs using damion5050 elemetry coir tek. Private message me if you wish.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go
If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow
That it's one thing to try and another to fly
You get there quicker just a step at a time
It's one thing to bark, another to bite
The show ain't over till you pack up at night
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deagonx
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: pawnzy]
#20600708 - 09/22/14 11:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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pawnzy said: Thats FAE or fresh air exchange. Most likely , idk why youd have anything hooked up for GE. You just need a SGFC, unless doing a bulk grow. You can find instructions for both here. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341
Man I feel silly, perhaps that it. I know he vents the lid sometimes, but for the most part has an air pump that kind of stirs around water, I'm not really sure I've never seen anything like his setup.
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pawnzy said: Plastic sealing a small area and the tote called a Still Air Box is ideal, you dont need ozone or ionizers.
Being new isnt a bad thing everyone starts somewhere and do alot of reading friend.
Stick to a couple teks, search alot of questions because people have asked them before most likely and good luck to you.
Awesome Thank you! Is there anything I should use to make sure my sealed area is decontaminated? Like some anti mold spray or something I want to be SURE contaminates are dead.
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SpitballJedi's The Basics
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deagonx
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20600721 - 09/22/14 11:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you have any links or anything I should look at to review this technique? I planned on using organic grown rice flour and vermiculite as my substrate, and dry verm for my casing layer. From what I understand this is a very noob friendly method as far as substrate. Sorry for the super noob double post.
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Primal Call's Cubensis Pinning Strategy & Troubleshooting Tek
SpitballJedi's The Basics
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filthyknees
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20600732 - 09/22/14 11:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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no problem I'll link to tripdawg420s grow using monotubs and the elementary coir tek. Just hold on to your junk. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17277772
here is a wbs prep tek (I think the easiest/best) http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8508523/fpart/1/vc/1
and here is the elemtry coir tek http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595 (just do not use a trashbag to cover the tub like the last picture shows)
both standard practice for I think the majority of cube growers here.
edit: these are for using quart jars of grains, not brf. I would say just upgrade now because you probably will in the near future
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go
If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow
That it's one thing to try and another to fly
You get there quicker just a step at a time
It's one thing to bark, another to bite
The show ain't over till you pack up at night
Edited by filthyknees (09/22/14 11:24 AM)
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deagonx
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: filthyknees]
#20600753 - 09/22/14 11:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What grain should I use? I could never find good information on this.
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20600777 - 09/22/14 11:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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wild bird seed and rhy seed and the standards. the cheapest kind. Where I am it is pennington bird seed from walmart. 20 pounds for ~$6.
ps: before you say you cannot find good advice info go ahead and roll up like three joints, get a pen and paper, light one and start reading through the first ten pages of mushroom cultivation section. That will give you an idea of who are the people posting intelligent seasoned responses, then pay special attention to them, and the threads they create or who they thank in their threads. Everything has already been figured out, just emulate good growers techniques as best you can.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go
If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow
That it's one thing to try and another to fly
You get there quicker just a step at a time
It's one thing to bark, another to bite
The show ain't over till you pack up at night
Edited by filthyknees (09/22/14 12:28 PM)
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deagonx
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: filthyknees]
#20600925 - 09/22/14 12:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the advice, I think i will try different mediums, is it a bad idea to put different mediums in the same fruiting chamber?
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20600949 - 09/22/14 12:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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think: does the mycelium know the difference?
coir and verm are two different mediums and myc love them.
if you're asking if you could combine rhy and wbs in a monotub: sure. But it see no reason to.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go
If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow
That it's one thing to try and another to fly
You get there quicker just a step at a time
It's one thing to bark, another to bite
The show ain't over till you pack up at night
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deagonx
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: NumeroEno]
#20601156 - 09/22/14 01:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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EnoRoxxx said: SHIPs are wack. Polyfill is your best friend.
Oh, and just fruit in a SGFC. Terrariums are a waste of money unless you have a pet reptile.
Ok now I understand you xD Um I was worried about this due to contamination, wouldn't this give me a large chance for mold spores to get in and ruin my mushrooms? I mean at the moment I'm just trying to get a feel for basic mycology maybe fruit some cubes. But I also really want to grow Morel mushrooms. I figure if I can figure out basic procedures, get a feel for it I can have mushrooms for myself. I know that growing morels and cubes are different though, as are some methods for others mushrooms I'd like to grow. At one point I thought about mycology professionally, like going to college for it and the whole 9 yards, but really I just want to be able to grow what I want and maybe make some good food with some good mushrooms.
Also I know this is a weird question, but have cubes every been used to treat stomach issue such as chronic constipation? I have a friend that has very serious chronic constipation and says cubes help them actually be able to go, where most traditional medicines haven't helped them. I've read that they cause some people diarrhea so could there really be something to this persons claim?
Also I was asking like, If I made a cake of verm and BRF and a cake of grain it would fine to place these in the same area like they don't require different amounts of maintenance, or one last longer than the other? I guess what I'm really asking, is it even worth the bother trying more than one method? Like, IDK I just feel like a jackass trying to figure out how I'm going to set up. I was considering solar powered lighting and other things to help reduce costs and stuff like that, but Until I get the basics down I don't want to venture into a non tried and true setup method, I mean eventually I'd really like to isolate a good strain that grow the way i want, does what I want. And In the case of the morel mushroom's I'd like my family and friends to eat them too, so I'd like to be able to make it stable over the long term and get a comfortable grow going.
Also sorry but what is coir?
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SpitballJedi's The Basics
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"We are part of this universe; we are in this universe, but perhaps more important than both of those facts, is that the universe is in us." ~Neil deGrasse Tyson
Edited by deagonx (09/22/14 01:26 PM)
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NumeroEno
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20601177 - 09/22/14 01:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SHIP = self healing injection port. Polyfill is the stuff inside pillows and you will use it in every stage of your grow
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Let it grow! Let it grow! Greatly yield!
What shall we say, shall we call it by a name
As well to count the angels dancing on a pin
Water bright as the sky from which it came
And the name is on the earth that takes it in
DOG FOOD AGAR
MY ELECTRIC INOCULATION LOOP
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: NumeroEno]
#20601199 - 09/22/14 01:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I was reading some of the provided links (and thank you all for those searching was so confusing!) and picked up some of the terms. I want to safely and effectively inoculate my jars though, What material should i use for the actual injection? Is one point just as good as 4? and does it matter what I use with the LC Syringe?
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Primal Call's Cubensis Pinning Strategy & Troubleshooting Tek
SpitballJedi's The Basics
hallucination illusion
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Re: Super noob need some advice [Re: deagonx]
#20601223 - 09/22/14 01:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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we need a super noob smiley...
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