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PrimalSoup
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Registered: 11/17/09
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insanemike said: Who said I was adding unnecessary supplements? I never told you what i even used for a sub, let alone what I add to it... blah blah blah...
I'm good with that. 
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insanemike

Registered: 02/23/14
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This is suppose to be a fun hobby and the TC's of this community suck all the fun right out of it. As soon as someone has an idea or asks about something such as nutrients you big bullies start trying to cram agar, rye berries and CVG down our throats. The TC's job is too make sure no one is giving out bad info, causing trouble or breaking the rules. Their job is not to ridicule someone for having an idea that is not on the so called "beaten path" that most of us seem to follow. I for one refuse to settle for "this is the way it is and like it" attitude. You can't tell me that everything has already been experimented with, let alone has been experimented with under very strict conditions. Can someone tell me what the biological purpose and process for synthesizing psilocybin? If you can't answer that then the mycological community doesn't know everything there is to know about growing these particular mushrooms. That in itself gives me and everyone else the right to experiment all we want and there is nothing you can do about it.
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elasticaltiger
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insanemike said: This is suppose to be a fun hobby and the TC's of this community suck all the fun right out of it. As soon as someone has an idea or asks about something such as nutrients you big bullies start trying to cram agar, rye berries and CVG down our throats. The TC's job is too make sure no one is giving out bad info, causing trouble or breaking the rules. Their job is not to ridicule someone for having an idea that is not on the so called "beaten path" that most of us seem to follow. I for one refuse to settle for "this is the way it is and like it" attitude. You can't tell me that everything has already been experimented with, let alone has been experimented with under very strict conditions. Can someone tell me what the biological purpose and process for synthesizing psilocybin? If you can't answer that then the mycological community doesn't know everything there is to know about growing these particular mushrooms. That in itself gives me and everyone else the right to experiment all we want and there is nothing you can do about it.
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Pastywhyte
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I'm not saying not to use poo, or straw or whatever. I haven't used rye berries in 8 months but i do have 2 LC's going. I like poo and straw and worm castings n stuff. I am simply trying to let you know that you could import zebra poo from africa and still grow bunk cubes on it
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cronicr



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as a tc my job is nuthing, were not tc's to stop bad avise were not tc's because we know evrything were not tc's because wre nice were not tc's to make people feel better...were tc's because our advise is solid and have proven to be.
your not obligated to listen to anybody but if your afraid of the critisism dont' post w/o results or post to your journal where you are the mod and have control, this is mush cult where evrybody is entitled to an opinion it's up to you how to take it
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cronicr



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this also isn't your thread lol
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LiquidGlass
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Re: nutes [Re: azur]
#20606391 - 09/23/14 02:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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azur said: The magic formula is hpoo. But most here are too lazy to use it.
Good point however, depending on where people live horse poo can be incredibly hard to get, especially if you are in a major city with no horses nearby
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spacechildo
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I'll go balls in and say fuck nutes, if you're doing grains to bulk in a normal ratio (1:1 - 1:4) you'll have more nutes than your sub will ever need or use!
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PrimalSoup
hyperspatial illuminations



Registered: 11/17/09
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Exactly. But there is a secret sub ingredient but since it's a secret nobody knows about it... UNTIL NOW!
All it takes is a mad scientist

or a time machine

and you can harvest (nearly) unlimited quantities of

THAT'S RIGHT! DINO POO! THE SECRET INGREDIENT OF THE AGES!

(often instigated, never respirated, order before midnight tonight)
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Pastywhyte
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azur
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Psilicon
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Registered: 08/26/12
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insanemike said: This is suppose to be a fun hobby and the TC's of this community suck all the fun right out of it. As soon as someone has an idea or asks about something such as nutrients you big bullies start trying to cram agar, rye berries and CVG down our throats. The TC's job is too make sure no one is giving out bad info, causing trouble or breaking the rules. Their job is not to ridicule someone for having an idea that is not on the so called "beaten path" that most of us seem to follow. I for one refuse to settle for "this is the way it is and like it" attitude. You can't tell me that everything has already been experimented with, let alone has been experimented with under very strict conditions. Can someone tell me what the biological purpose and process for synthesizing psilocybin? If you can't answer that then the mycological community doesn't know everything there is to know about growing these particular mushrooms. That in itself gives me and everyone else the right to experiment all we want and there is nothing you can do about it.
I really don't care what you or anyone else does after you get the advice we give. What I really don't want is to have to deal with another heartbroken newb who's wondering why his cakes are all fucked after he inoculated with a MS LC, or why his grow is contaminated because he started using supplements before he had proper pasteurization down. What I really, REALLY don't want is for that to happen and for that person to link to a thread where I posted but didn't correct some bad info or recommend what are currently considered best practices.
A good rule of thumb is that if you still have to ask questions about it the answer is that you aren't ready.
I'm not a bully, and neither are these TCs. I urge everyone to experiment once they've got the basics down. Fuck, I urge everyone to experiment at every stage along the way. I'm just a librarian who's here to point you, but more importantly the lurkers and the newbs to come, in the right direction. If you ever think I'm riding your balls, know that I'm not--I'm just sharing a chapter out of my extensive personal catalogue of failure. Cool?
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insanemike

Registered: 02/23/14
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Yes, we are cool. Thanks for not taking a personal shot at me like others have. I understand your reason for questioning my methods. I simply stated LC because that is what I used. I did not in anyway advocate LC over agar. I know that there is less risk involved when dealing with agar. I on the other hand do believe if people are so easily discouraged and turned away by failure, they aren't in it for the long haul anyhow. These types of growers are only here to learn how to make a quick buck. These growers should be weaned out, not encouraged. This forum should exist for the sole purpose of learning and discovery, and not for what is the cheapest route to grow the most mushrooms. That in itself is advocating and supporting the idea of turning what is illegal into a business venture (which is against the rules). This should not be tolerated or encouraged. If someone's only argument is based on price of meterials then their argument is there for invalid. Telling someone that there is nothing left to discover is the opposite of the mentality everyone on the forum should have. I hope we can come to some kind of understanding and be able to work it out in a professional manner. So if anyone here would like to discuss this any further with me, please pm me. Sorry op for jacking your thread.
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cronicr



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cronicr



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insanemike said: I believe this is because it continues eating the substrate, possibly storing energy before fruiting.
it will eat more of the substrate at frutiing which is when you want it too, you want it to colonize at high co2 levels to stop it from devouring the substrate during colonization so it can happen at fruiting not the other way around
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insanemike

Registered: 02/23/14
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cronicr said:
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insanemike said: I believe this is because it continues eating the substrate, possibly storing energy before fruiting.
it will eat more of the substrate at frutiing which is when you want it too, you want it to colonize at high co2 levels to stop it from devouring the substrate during colonization so it can happen at fruiting not the other way around
Thanks for clearing that up for me, good to know. It just seemed CVG pinned with in 2 weeks of spawning and when I changed my growing methods it consistently pins 2-3 weeks after full colonization. So, you can see how I interpreted this notion.
EDIT: what I should have said is it takes 2 weeks to pin after introducing it to fruiting conditions which would have made my statement and your statement correct.
Edited by insanemike (09/24/14 12:14 AM)
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cronicr



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get a good potent isolate and complaints will never be an issue for subs i've used anything and almost everything but never do i put much thought in potency i just chow till i'm happy
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Kizzle
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Registered: 08/30/11
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The nutrients for the first couple flushes are usually stored in the mycelium before fruiting even starts. It largely comes from the starch in the spawn but it requires other nutrients as well obviously. The digestion that occurs later is mainly of chemicals like cellulose and lignin which I guess would fall under fiber.
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cronicr



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Re: nutes [Re: Kizzle]
#20609489 - 09/24/14 12:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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always enjoy your posts
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insanemike

Registered: 02/23/14
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Re: nutes [Re: Kizzle]
#20609572 - 09/24/14 01:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: The nutrients for the first couple flushes are usually stored in the mycelium before fruiting even starts. It largely comes from the starch in the spawn but it requires other nutrients as well obviously. The digestion that occurs later is mainly of chemicals like cellulose and lignin which I guess would fall under fiber.
Where does the breakdown of proteins and fats play a role in the chemical processes within the network? Is the cultures ability to breakdown food and to convert it into digestive and immunity enzymes related to carbs? I was under the impression that carbs are for energy, protein is for building cells and fats are for releasing hormones in which control these processes. Genetics will only get you so far. If you were to compare the American diet from a century ago with the diet we live off of today, you might be able to understand why our genetic flaws are so exposed. The rate at which people become diabetic, suffer from heart disease and are diagnosed with cancer are at an alarming rate compared to 100 years ago. If your mother did not provide you with proper nutrition while in the womb and than after birth inherited that same diet and you passed that diet on to your kids, eventually our genetics can not save us from our own self inflicted demise. To conclude, proper nutrition maybe more important in the long run rather than just based off of our superficial idea of what a successful grow is. Or maybe I'm just a lost cause looking for something other than a good time. Lol
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