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crsaen
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My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour 1
#20585256 - 09/18/14 07:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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When I mix these how much water do I add? And what ratio of each substrate? And I just need foil to cover the jar?
When I mix it together how long to soak before putting it in the PC?
And for how long in the PC and at what temp? Thanks
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Flomasta100
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: crsaen]
#20585302 - 09/18/14 07:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This should answer all of your questions...
http://www.shroomery.org/9727/Cake-F-A-Q
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: Flomasta100]
#20585346 - 09/18/14 07:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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skip the coir and just stick to the tek, brf verm and water! save the coir for when there colonized and spawn the cakes if ya like but no need for coir in a cake
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: cronicr]
#20585395 - 09/18/14 07:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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cronicr said: skip the coir and just stick to the tek, brf verm and water! save the coir for when there colonized and spawn the cakes if ya like but no need for coir in a cake
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: Flomasta100]
#20585544 - 09/18/14 08:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Flomasta100 said: This should answer all of your questions...
http://www.shroomery.org/9727/Cake-F-A-Q
Sorry, I read that and still couldn't find the ratio between water vermiculite and brown rice flour
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: crsaen]
#20585569 - 09/18/14 08:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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-2 Parts Vermiculite -1 Part Water -1 Part Brown Rice Flour
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Flomasta100
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20585587 - 09/18/14 08:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The actual TEK will tell.
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crsaen
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: Flomasta100]
#20585760 - 09/18/14 09:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks
Will this 16oz jar do is the curve near the top a problem?
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: crsaen]
#20585775 - 09/18/14 09:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Get 1/2 pint wide mouth jars.
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crsaen
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: beerdedguy]
#20585808 - 09/18/14 09:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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beerdedguy said: Get 1/2 pint wide mouth jars.
Thanks, gotta source
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: beerdedguy]
#20585817 - 09/18/14 09:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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short half pints with the tapered top so the cake can slide out.
you dont want big cakes even if you could slide them out. they can stall in the jar
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crsaen
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: beerdedguy]
#20585858 - 09/18/14 09:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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beerdedguy said: Get 1/2 pint wide mouth jars.
Would a pint be better?
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: Mdahmer]
#20585867 - 09/18/14 09:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mdahmer said: short half pints with the tapered top so the cake can slide out.
you dont want big cakes even if you could slide them out. they can stall in the jar
Even if I'm growing gormets?
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: crsaen]
#20585880 - 09/18/14 09:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i guess it depends what edibles...im not sure brf cakes is your best bet for any edibles but some are very aggresive and could maybe colonize a pint quickly but for cubes some times they stall by the bottom and it could be the same for others.. are you growing edibles?
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: Mdahmer]
#20585958 - 09/18/14 09:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Most pints I've seen stall out and you can't get the cake out because of the shoulder at the top.
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crsaen
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: Mdahmer]
#20585968 - 09/18/14 09:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mdahmer said: i guess it depends what edibles...im not sure brf cakes is your best bet for any edibles but some are very aggresive and could maybe colonize a pint quickly but for cubes some times they stall by the bottom and it could be the same for others.. are you growing edibles?
My substrate cake mix wont work well with shitake ans oysters?
Yes I'm growing edibles mostly
Edited by crsaen (09/18/14 09:43 PM)
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: crsaen]
#20585997 - 09/18/14 09:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You would be better off using sawdust.
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: MudaFuka]
#20586110 - 09/18/14 10:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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it will work out with oysters but the ultimate goal is a cheap and effective sub to get ahead of the game, brf is expensive and wood is cheaper then verm and coir and oysters are a woodlover
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: cronicr]
#20586148 - 09/18/14 10:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hard wood heating pellets are only like $6 for 40lbs.
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crsaen
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: MudaFuka]
#20586182 - 09/18/14 10:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: Hard wood heating pellets are only like $6 for 40lbs.
What do recommend recommend with that?
Edited by crsaen (09/18/14 10:20 PM)
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crsaen
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: MudaFuka]
#20586196 - 09/18/14 10:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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cronicr said: it will work out with oysters but the ultimate goal is a cheap and effective sub to get ahead of the game, brf is expensive and wood is cheaper then verm and coir and oysters are a woodlover
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MudaFuka said: You would be better off using sawdust.
Sawdust and what?
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: crsaen]
#20586213 - 09/18/14 10:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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When you hydrate them they turn back into sawdust. Look up sawdust blocks and read all you can.
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: MudaFuka]
#20586263 - 09/18/14 10:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Another thing to note is the colonization time of 1 pint vs 1/2 pint are basically double. You can get wide mouth pints though.
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: MudaFuka]
#20586414 - 09/18/14 11:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: When you hydrate them they turn back into sawdust. Look up sawdust blocks and read all you can.
Dunno what that means. So its just sawdust and water?
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: crsaen]
#20586435 - 09/18/14 11:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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make up you own ratios tell us what they are and be amazed later. Cubensis will colonize all of those things. even individually.
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: flunglejungle]
#20586446 - 09/18/14 11:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Interestingly, i had successes adding coir to wbr... It wont hurt is what im sayin... If for anything im under the impression myc loves that mix...
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: pablokabute]
#20586469 - 09/18/14 11:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If brf is expensive what's an alternative?
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: crsaen]
#20586508 - 09/18/14 11:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
crsaen said:
Quote:
cronicr said: it will work out with oysters but the ultimate goal is a cheap and effective sub to get ahead of the game, brf is expensive and wood is cheaper then verm and coir and oysters are a woodlover
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MudaFuka said: You would be better off using sawdust.
Sawdust and what?
for cakes you can simply replace the verm with sawdust or better yet go 50/50 verm and sawdust so it's stil 2:1:1 but half the verm is sawdust.
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Re: My substrate is gonna be vermiculite coco coir and brown rice flour [Re: cronicr]
#20586564 - 09/19/14 12:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Or you could just go to grains. I started with PF cakes now I am doing WBS. Just seems easier/cheaper to me.
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