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why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!?
    #20582729 - 09/18/14 08:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)


So I started these in the fc back on the 13. They were fluffing up pretty well the first few days then they seem to have stopped doing anything. It's super humid and warm in there. But I confess I didn't let it consolidate for a week b4 transfer.  Only about 2-3 days.


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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Mind-Rip]
    #20582738 - 09/18/14 08:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well then you need to let it sit there and do nuthing lol, it's gonna consolidate weather or not its' in the jar but now you gotta babysit it, you should have dunked and rolled and you shouldnt' be sittign it on verm, it will try to colonize it and ful colonization is a keypinning trigger, besides that verm isn't a replacement for perlite btu other then that good luck


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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: cronicr]
    #20582832 - 09/18/14 09:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

ya might even wanna consider putting 'em in a fruiting chamber :shrug:

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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: MonkeyJesusFresco]
    #20582873 - 09/18/14 09:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Build a shotgun fruiting chamber and buy some perlite.


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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: MonkeyJesusFresco]
    #20582878 - 09/18/14 09:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've got em sitting on the jar tops so it's at least not in direct contact with the vermiculite


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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Mind-Rip]
    #20582880 - 09/18/14 09:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Link to shotgun fruiting chamber?


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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Mind-Rip]
    #20582881 - 09/18/14 09:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: MonkeyJesusFresco]
    #20582902 - 09/18/14 09:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Cool I'll look into it


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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Mind-Rip]
    #20583015 - 09/18/14 10:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's my understanding that once you take them out of the jars you need to clean off the old dry vermiculite from the top, it has acted as a barrier to contaminants and so could easily be harbouring some. Once you start misting, it will get wet and those contams may start growing.


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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Ooobliette]
    #20583290 - 09/18/14 11:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've thought about misting but the humidity is so high I'm not sure I need to.


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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Mind-Rip]
    #20583312 - 09/18/14 11:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, the verm is a layer of "casing (if you will)", it provides more moisture and protection from contams.


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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: cronicr]
    #20583448 - 09/18/14 12:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's gonna consolidate weather or not its' in the jar




Mist/Fan 3 times a day for a week, you'll find pins.  You birth'd too early.


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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Mind-Rip]
    #20583571 - 09/18/14 12:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I've thought about misting but the humidity is so high I'm not sure I need to.



We do not mist for humidity, we mist to replace lost moisture in the cakes.

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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: PussyFart]
    #20591179 - 09/20/14 12:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Is there a way to tell if the cakes are drying out? I squeezed them near the bottom and they were pretty firm.
Ps. I've been fanning them 2 to 3 times a day for probably 9 ver a week at this point with absolutely no changes to be seen
Pps. If one does not mist directlyou on the cakes (I've heard this is wrong) then how would it affect it and not just raise said humidity in the chamber?
Lots o questions!  Thanks


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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Mind-Rip]
    #20591187 - 09/20/14 12:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

just pick it up son't sqeeze them, limit the amount fof times you handle them.
if you dont' mist the cakes directly they don't get moisture replenished and sometimes dry out to a point where the myc gets strressed turns yellow and matts up


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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: cronicr]
    #20596765 - 09/21/14 11:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Update
Got my first little guy growin! But I looked at my other 2 cakes and they're kinda bruised (?) Is it just bruising? Cuz I really haven't touched either of them. I've begun misting and they're getting water on them. Not sure how to avoid this if I'm misting directly. Looking good tho otherwise.



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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Mind-Rip]
    #20596774 - 09/21/14 11:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why didn't you roll them in verm to begin with? That is going to provide the microclimate you need at the surface to pin. The myc looks all yellowed and dying, I doubt you will see much from them now. Get started on more while you wait and see what you can get from these.

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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: MonkeyJesusFresco]
    #20596796 - 09/21/14 11:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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ya might even wanna consider putting 'em in a fruiting chamber :shrug:



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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: MonkeyJesusFresco]
    #20596798 - 09/21/14 11:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

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ya might even wanna consider putting 'em in a fruiting chamber :shrug:







This as well :cookiemonster:

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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #20596848 - 09/21/14 12:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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why aren't my cakes fruiting? I haven't provided an adequate environment or taken any of the necessary steps required to initiate fruiting...and they still won't fruit?! oh wait! there's one! ...kind of :crazy:




So that's the synopsis of this thread. Ta-dah.

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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #20596953 - 09/21/14 12:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Look I inoculated the jars, they got full of mycelium, I lit th em sit for a few days and kept them in a humid ass environment the whole time. Here's a picture of my fruiting chamber it's air tight and I mist and fan 2 to 3 times a day. Getting about 12 hours of light a day and I only touched them maybe 3 times in 3 weeks. What do you all mean by "put them in a fruiting chamber" that really doesn't help me much guys.



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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Mind-Rip]
    #20596966 - 09/21/14 12:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That aquarium is suffocating them. They need to breath. You want to build a SGFC.

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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #20596996 - 09/21/14 12:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

See that's awesome advice. Now can I dunk them to restore them or am I fucked officially


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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Mind-Rip]
    #20597008 - 09/21/14 12:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe a dunk would help, its worth a try maybe. But I would get started on a new batch just cause a new batch is always a good thing.

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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #20597052 - 09/21/14 12:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Is there a proper dunking tek someone could point me towards? All the threads in finding say "HOW DO I DUNK?" Then start out with "I know how to dunk but..."


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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Mind-Rip]
    #20597123 - 09/21/14 01:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Put cakes in a bucket or pot. Fill with water. Weight the cakes down with a plate or something so they are submerged, leave for 24 hours.

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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #20597128 - 09/21/14 01:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Super thanks


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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Mind-Rip]
    #20598249 - 09/21/14 06:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Is there a proper dunking tek someone could point me towards? All the threads in finding say "HOW DO I DUNK?" Then start out with "I know how to dunk but..."




I suggest you watch mushroomvideos.com it'll help you out a lot.


Dunk and roll:
Get a large pot, bucket, or bowl that will be able to fit all your cakes and be able to have them submerged. Rinse off the cakes in normal tap water, and take off your old dry vermiculite layer. Fill your container with enough tap water to fully submerge your cakes, then place cakes in your container and use something to weigh them down so they're fully submerged.

Allow your submerged cakes to sit in a room temperature environment for 24 hours, after 24 hours take your cakes out of the container, give them a good rinse then roll them in vermiculite.


The reason to do this is the vermiculite that's on the cakes creates a micro-environment that's perfect for cakes, it also helps keep the cake moist and not dry out.


Edit: Oh wow, my idiotic brain didn't notice there was a second page :rofl:

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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: ToxicDuck]
    #20615940 - 09/25/14 08:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Should I moisten the vermiculite before rolling? I'm also surprised this doesn't bruised the fuck outta the cakes. I started over. Got a new syringe and knocked up 8 jars today. Gonna be making my SGFC today:smile:


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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Mind-Rip]
    #20617381 - 09/25/14 02:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Should I moisten the vermiculite before rolling? I'm also surprised this doesn't bruised the fuck outta the cakes. I started over. Got a new syringe and knocked up 8 jars today. Gonna be making my SGFC today:)




Nope, just vermiculite that's straight out of the bag. The cake will be wet enough that the verm sticks right to it. Kind of like rolling a piece of chicken in flour :P.

It's not a rough process really, you just want something that weighs enough to hold them underwater, not something heavy enough to make them be crushed into the bottom :lol:. I use a heavy deep dished pie plate I have, then just pour some water on top until it sinks the cakes down to the point they're fully submerged.


Good luck dude, keep us updated!

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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: ToxicDuck]
    #20617644 - 09/25/14 03:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You don't need to crush them to the bottom. Floating cakes will absorbed just as much water.

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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: ToxicDuck]
    #20617650 - 09/25/14 03:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yup , well roll in dry verm , but over the next couple days it will be vet verm from being misted. your terrarium is fine, but you should thoroughly provide FAE by fanning with the lid 5-6 times a day after mistings

and once you see a jar that looks 100% white , let that go for a little bit , (4-7 days) , and hope to see in vitro pins

that's a cake thatllltake very well to a terrarium lik eyours, and ofc a sgfc or mono tub style FC

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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Sockadin]
    #20617818 - 09/25/14 03:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry I think yall misunderstood me, it was the rolling in vermiculite I was worried about bruising my cakes since the general rule is to handle them as little as possible.


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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Mind-Rip]
    #20617850 - 09/25/14 03:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

you dont need to literally "roll" them.

you can "gently" place them in a bowl and "softly" coat them with verm till they are covered on all sides.

while whispering to them gently that you aren't going to do anything to them that they don't want to have done to them. :wink:

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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Mind-Rip]
    #20617888 - 09/25/14 04:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Funny story for you guys/girls. When I was boiling my jars to sterilize them, 8 in a big pot 4 in a little one, I walked away and got detracted by that boxy devil called the television. I came back to find all the water evaporated with the paper towels I put on the bottom completely blank (probably burnt up] and the bottom of the 4 jars all black and burnt. When I dumped one out to see if I could salvage it, it was cooked. Thank god the other 8 didn't get as far and were ok to use. So ya that's why I'm doin 8 instead of a dozen


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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Sockadin]
    #20620376 - 09/26/14 07:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You don't need to crush them to the bottom. Floating cakes will absorbed just as much water.




I said " not something heavy enough to make them be crushed into the bottom", I just said to have them submerged. If that's incorrect information my bad, I was just using what RR said in his videos.

When he said he didn't understand how they wouldn't get bruised, I assumed he thought I meant that by "submerged" I meant pressed up against the bottom of his container. :shrug:

So next time I dunk I can just have them floating on the surface of the water?

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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: ToxicDuck]
    #20621618 - 09/26/14 02:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Even I can say that that's not true. They do need to be fully submerged. I let my cakes float thinking they would eventually sink. They didn't and only the part underwater absorbed water


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Re: why aren't my cakes fruiting or changing much!?!? [Re: Sanguin3]
    #20630097 - 09/28/14 10:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Started a new thread for my new set of jars here


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