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Inoculating Plug Spawn
    #20571769 - 09/15/14 05:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hey, does anyone have any advice for inoculating 5/16" fluted hardwood plugs with cubes?

I have the option to inoculate them with grain spawn or petri dish cultures. Do both work the same, or is one preferable? I need the plugs to start a bag of 'bunker spawn'** to use in outdoor cultivation, as growing cubes in a college dorm is risky.


** Bunker spawn is a term coined by Paul Stamets to describe a burlap sack filled with wood chips used to make 'mycofiltration' systems to regulate bacteria/algae growth. It also makes effective outdoor patches of mushrooms if placed in the right conditions [Stamets, "Mycelium Running: How Mushrooms Can Help Save the World"]


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Edited by TheRussianBrony (09/15/14 06:21 PM)

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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: TheRussianBrony]
    #20571787 - 09/15/14 05:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah he's probably talking about woodlovers.

Cubes have issues with straight wood.

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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: Ghatti]
    #20571804 - 09/15/14 06:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I wouldn't say cubes would grow in just wood chips. But I too want to know how to inoculate plugs for edibles.

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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: motherchimp]
    #20571818 - 09/15/14 06:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Pasteurize in a water bath, then inoculate with grain would be my route. I'm sure ground brf or a Spiffy would work as well.

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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: Ghatti]
    #20571858 - 09/15/14 06:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My petri dish cultures of the 'A+' cube strain have been trained to grow on wood through four generations of artificial selection. Grain spawn was inoculated with the petri dish cultures. I just want to know if its possible to transfer directly from culture to plugs because I use my grain sub for .. other purposes...

And I've found that after grain, wood selected species lose the blitzkrieg growth observed from my other experiments. The only reason I seek advice on the forum instead of running my own trials is because I'm in a transfer situation where all of my equipment is packed away. Any help is greatly appreciated!


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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: Ghatti]
    #20571869 - 09/15/14 06:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ground brf? Spiffy? My apologies, I don't understand those terms. Could you clarify?


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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: TheRussianBrony]
    #20571922 - 09/15/14 06:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So you've selectively bred a species to change what it eats but....ok brf is brown rice flour, made into a cake basically and colonized as such.

Haha sorry Spiffy was supposed to say slurry.

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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: Ghatti]
    #20571944 - 09/15/14 06:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Do you reckon I can make a slurry with the petri dish cultures?

Yeah, I know it seems like a stupid question given that I've done things like this before, but I just want to know if it's worth using the cultures to directly inoculate the plugs, or just waiting until the grain spawn gets used to eating cellulose and lignin.

Edited by TheRussianBrony (09/15/14 06:24 PM)

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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: TheRussianBrony]
    #20572037 - 09/15/14 06:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

dont' inoculate plugs with any cube, your not training anything they have been dung lovers far longer then you have been training them.
agar to grain g2g to bulk that isn't wood


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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: cronicr]
    #20572087 - 09/15/14 06:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have seen cubes colonize wood but it has always been very wet wood and they fruit very very poorly.

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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: Ghatti]
    #20572103 - 09/15/14 06:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

they will easily stretch across it looking for available foood, wood is very low in nutritiuon by comparison to the bulk subs we use for cubes but all you get out of it is something to hold water


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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: cronicr]
    #20572118 - 09/15/14 06:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Challenge accepted  :sporedrop:


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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: TheRussianBrony]
    #20572121 - 09/15/14 06:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

been there done that, good luck:cheers:


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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: cronicr]
    #20572168 - 09/15/14 07:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Lol ditto

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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: Ghatti]
    #20575579 - 09/16/14 02:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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been there done that, good luck:cheers:



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Lol ditto




XD I made like 24 jars of different types of subs and inoculation methods last night, along with utilizing my Amanita Muscaria* culture to set up two jars of wooden plugs for that species. College is going to be interesting. [gradient:#00FF26,#]Thanks for the feedback.[/gradient]

Amanita culture came from this shroom:






* There is a probability that the shroom shown is a Frost Amanita instead of a Amanita Muscaria


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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: TheRussianBrony]
    #20575589 - 09/16/14 02:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

aminita muscaria is a mycorrhizzal species.


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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: cronicr]
    #20575966 - 09/16/14 04:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:facepalm:


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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: azur]
    #20575990 - 09/16/14 04:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

to boot that doesn't even look like a muscaria, did you have that id'd?


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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: cronicr]
    #20576525 - 09/16/14 06:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Pretty sure that's the yellow one which makes you feel very very sick the whole time and many people avoid them. The red and white is what your after for ingestion

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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: motherchimp]
    #20576560 - 09/16/14 06:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I still wouldn't want to eat the red one.

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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: Ghatti]
    #20576709 - 09/16/14 07:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I still wouldn't want to eat the red one.



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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: azur]
    #20576784 - 09/16/14 07:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Been there done that, have a few dried I just want to throw out. Last time I was drying some all got mould and filled with maggots.

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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: motherchimp]
    #20588154 - 09/19/14 11:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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aminita muscaria is a mycorrhizzal species.




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to boot that doesn't even look like a muscaria, did you have that id'd?




The mycelium doesn't need to be attached to roots to grow. It needs to be attached to roots to fruit. That's why it's called plug spawn. Regardless, nobody can ever really say that mushrooms act in predictable ways. I'll keep you updated. Although I never truly id'd it, I ate some of it, and brewed tea to add to that. The night was pretty fun, and I'm alright. :tongue2:

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Pretty sure that's the yellow one which makes you feel very very sick the whole time and many people avoid them. The red and white is what your after for ingestion




:eek: Can we keep an eye on this fella? He's trying to kill someone. White amanitas are hella dangerous. ie "Destroying Angel"; "Amanita Bisporigera"; "Death Cap"; "Cleft-Foot Amanita". As I've stated above. I ended up eating that shroom and intense hallucinogenic effects were observed.


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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: TheRussianBrony]
    #20588286 - 09/19/14 12:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:canthelpbutlaugh:
damn.... just damn.
yea you cant make a tiger eat lettuce

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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: TheRussianBrony]
    #20588797 - 09/19/14 02:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Pretty sure mother chimp was talking about just the red ones with with spots not all white.  And I beleive it depends on your geographic location IME only the yellow fly agarics grow around me. I pick them to give to friends, I'm scared to try them lol

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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: shaymisco]
    #20589673 - 09/19/14 06:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Although I never truly id'd it, I ate some of it, and brewed tea to add to that. The night was pretty fun, and I'm alright. :tongue2:





I'm having a real hard time believing this. fun on amanitas? I think of them as medicinals.

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Pretty sure mother chimp was talking about just the red ones with with spots not all white.




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btw shaymisco once dried amanitas arent dangerous at all, just dont drink
beer or cola or any soft drink that bubbles. turns the good stuff back to poison.

try using a small piece (1g or so) as chewing tobacco, just stick it under your lip and suck on it for an hour or so.
gives you energy and a better outlook on life, especially during the winter.

dont eat them for tripping tho, I've never had any fun or colorful experience of them almost no matter how much you eat.

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Re: Inoculating Plug Spawn [Re: spacechildo]
    #20592248 - 09/20/14 10:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

thanks I actually have some dried out, I will give it a shot.

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