|
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
|
JacksonMetaller
Stranger


Registered: 03/13/11
Posts: 13,361
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
|
Re: How is it possible to have a bad trip? [Re: my3rdeye]
#19541713 - 02/08/14 09:15 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
my3rdeye said:
Quote:
I've only tripped 3 times, which is low compared to some of you guys.
Its always people with no tripping history who think bad trips can't happen to them. You almost never ever hear experienced users say that. I have seen this pattern before too, people think it can't happen to them, it does and it's terrifying, and then they quit psychedelics forever. I probably won't have a bad trip, but I cant say 100 percent i wont, its the chance I take. I had a bad trip on half a hit of LSD too since you think its all about dose. Low dose bummers are easier to deal with, high dose bad trips are scary though IME. I don't think anyone is immune to bad trips, you just haven't had one yet.
Haha so true I've seen so many people come across these boards looking for answers because they had a bad trip and they give it up forever. Because i never delusioned myself about the existence of them it tends to have the opposite effect. I'll have a nightmare trip, and then dose again real soon after until i have a good trip again Talk about chasing a dragon. My most frequent psyche usage has resulted from bad trips... Every time.
|
Disarmedaxe
Stranger
Registered: 02/09/14
Posts: 3
Last seen: 10 years, 3 days
|
Re: How is it possible to have a bad trip? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#19543429 - 02/09/14 11:15 AM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
|
|
I'm glad this thread was the one that finally pushed me to register.
I noticed that you registered in early October. So I'm assuming you had your first experience around that time. I also started experimenting with psychedelics a few months ago. My first trip was the last Sunday in August. Until November 26th all I had tripped on was 25i-NBOMe, but when I got my hands on real LSD everything changed.
I liked tripping alone, so I dropped a couple of weak tabs at my house on a Sunday night. I wasn't planning on doing anything else besides drawing, smoking weed, and listening to music. That's all I wanted to do and I had a fucking blast that night. I put so much emotion into this picture and I forced myself to finish it. I would usually get bored with a drawing and start a new one, but when I tried doing that while tripping it was different. I recognized the behavior and changed it. I was drawing the entire time I was plateauing. When I finished it I was so proud. You can probably infer what the therapeutic benefits from this session were.
So let's go a couple weeks later shall we? December 13th. Ironically enough it was actually Friday. That thought didn't come up in my trip though. I'm not superstitious so I guess it just didn't register. Anyway, I got these tabs from a friend I met in my class this Fall semester. He's probably the smartest person I've encountered at my college. At some point while texting him that day, he told me that they're from his dealer's "head stash, so they should be something special". This was weird. I knew what I was getting into, but I also knew how much I could and couldn't handle. But when I say "couldn't" I didn't know what that was. I just had my one experience to base that off of and I had no idea what I was getting into.
I dropped the tabs at 11:30pm. I was alone in my house. Parents were gone. Didn't really try to get any of my friends to come over. Nothing was going on that night. It was dark, cold and cloudy out. I hesitated for a split second before putting them on my tongue. I knew I was going to come out of this different, but I didn't know how different.
At around 1:00am, I went into my car to smoke and listen to music. I had these amazing moments of understanding and euphoria that transcend anything I have ever felt or experienced. By around 2 I was done smoking and listening to music. I wanted to document my trip and write my thoughts down. Don't do this. I went inside grabbed my notebook and started writing. I put some music on and it was really beautiful, but as the album came to an end I became aware of it and I started to feel alone. By the end of my note taking session, I had driven to the idea that I need to branch off... I needed to let go of all my beliefs and accept this new reality. I didn't. I couldn't do it.
This sent me into a psychomimetric state of panic and terror. I was on the phone with my friend for about 45 minutes total. He has some experience with psychedelics, but I didn't trust anything he would tell me. He was sober and not really understanding the gravity of the situation at the time. I was begging him to come over, offering him money. Freaking the fuck out. I hung up on him a couple times because I didn't trust him. I kept thinking that it was like a movie also. The thought of my new friend from school selling me acid that "should be special" threw me somewhere dark. That's actually the initial reason I called my friend in the first place. But I couldn't form sentences or finish thoughts. I sounded like a schizophrenic during a psychotic episode. I kept saying "I'm losing grip on reality" and those words alone remind me of how bad I was bugging out that night.
There was also a point where I wasn't sure if I even took acid, and I thought I was going to trip forever. My mind was like a Picasso painting. Which reminds me that there were some good parts to my trip. I experienced ego death for the first time, which is partially the reason I freaked.
Since this trip I've done nothing but reading up on Psychedelics. Which is what I suggest you do before you get slammed one day. Preparation is key my friend. Check out these two reads.
http://www.maps.org/ritesofpassage/lsdhandbook.html "Tripping! For Dummies" http://deoxy.org/psyexp.htm The Psychedelic Experience
I hope some of this helps you.
Edited by Disarmedaxe (02/09/14 11:16 AM)
|
oomchu
Stranger

Registered: 02/01/14
Posts: 141
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
|
Re: How is it possible to have a bad trip? [Re: Disarmedaxe]
#19543515 - 02/09/14 11:39 AM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
|
|
All he's going to say is you took too much and didn't control your set and setting.
|
JacksonMetaller
Stranger


Registered: 03/13/11
Posts: 13,361
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
|
Re: How is it possible to have a bad trip? [Re: oomchu]
#19543760 - 02/09/14 12:46 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
|
|
Disarmedaxe, since you said you're a novice tripper... A word of advice for the future. Do not EVER admit that there is anything wrong when you're tripping. In my ayahuasca experience (as well as every other bad trip i've had) the turning point was when i uttered the phrase "somethings not right". That's when the panic alarms go off. You can straddle the fence in discomfort for an extremely long time, but the second you allow yourself to believe that something is wrong you will fall off the fence and into a living nightmare. When doubt creeps up, shift your focus. Let go of the fear. If you can't totally escape it just keep shifting your focus and reaffirming the notion that you will deal with your doubt when you are sober. It's not fun, but far less jarring to your mind than letting that fear consume you.
|
justaplant
Stranger

Registered: 12/23/13
Posts: 18
Last seen: 1 month, 21 days
|
|
Yeah what the guy above said is definitely true, don't tell yourself it's starting to go downhill because it will only come on faster that way. But to me even more importantly, when shit gets weird if at all possible change your setting. Even if that means moving to another spot in the same room you would be surprised how small some of the things were that kept me from having an almost bad experience in the past.
|
LogicaL Chaos
Ascension Energy & Alien UFOs




Registered: 05/12/07
Posts: 69,701
Loc: The Inexpressible...
Last seen: 14 minutes, 40 seconds
|
Re: How is it possible to have a bad trip? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#19543827 - 02/09/14 01:03 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
|
|
I think bad trips come from inexperience and immaturity with the psychedelic experience. Once you are "comfortable" tripping, if thats even possible to say, then you are much less likely to have a bad trip.
I believe it takes a bunch of mental preparation to start off a big dose trip. Even seasoned trippers can have uncomfortable experiences. Ive used mushrooms a lot in my past, and I still get "anxious" on the come up. You just never know what the experience will bring, Its different every time due to your mental state, your mood, and where you are. Other people can definitely send you into a bad trip if they are being uncoool, but also by yourself if you have an incredibly intense trip.
For those who are not mentally prepared to expect the unexpected from shrooms are bound to fall into the dark depths of a bad trip.
~ LC
-------------------- "What you must understand is that your physical dimension affects everyone in the higher dimensions as well. All things are interconnected. All things are One. Therefore, if one dimension is broken or out of balance, then all other dimensions will experience repercussions." - Pleiadian Prophecy 2020 The New Golden Age by James Carwin PROJECT BLUE BOOK ANALYSIS! (312 pages!) | Psychedelics & UFOs | Ready to Contact UFOs? | The Source on Mushrooms | Trippy Gematrix | Dj TeknoLogical | Fentanyl Test Kits R.I.P. Big Worm || The Start of the Ascension Process was 2020. Welcome to the Next Great Era of Earth 🌎🌍🌏
  Oregon Eclipse Festival 2017 :: Aug 19th - 21st :: Pure Paradise   Very Effective LSA Extraction Tek | 💧 Advanced Cold Water LSA Extraction Method 💧 |  Mescajuana - Mescaline with Marijuana | DMT Dab Bongs | UFO Technology! Shpongle
     
|
larry.fisherman
shoulda died already



Registered: 11/03/12
Posts: 36,294
|
Re: How is it possible to have a bad trip? [Re: justaplant]
#19543831 - 02/09/14 01:03 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
|
|
My first real trip was 7g of shrooms and that taught me pretty quick what you need to let go of if you're going to trip and live life happily. All the concepts you can take in to a trip to balance yourself can be applied in ways in every day life, and that's beautiful, you know? Honestly, even though I at first counted that trip as a bad one but really it wasn't that bad, I just didn't know what was up. Now that I know that the drugs will always inevitably end, that it's all in my head, and what I can take from it is always beautiful, bad trips are a thing of the past. I don't even like to call them that really, I call them dark trips, because that's what they are. We are what the trip is, and I am not bad. Are you? I don't think so.
|
Peace of Mind 1
Incel Basement Dweller


Registered: 04/05/11
Posts: 15,027
|
Re: How is it possible to have a bad trip? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#19545423 - 02/09/14 07:56 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
LogicaL Chaos said: I think bad trips come from inexperience and immaturity with the psychedelic experience. Once you are "comfortable" tripping, if thats even possible to say, then you are much less likely to have a bad trip.
I believe it takes a bunch of mental preparation to start off a big dose trip. Even seasoned trippers can have uncomfortable experiences. Ive used mushrooms a lot in my past, and I still get "anxious" on the come up. You just never know what the experience will bring, Its different every time due to your mental state, your mood, and where you are. Other people can definitely send you into a bad trip if they are being uncoool, but also by yourself if you have an incredibly intense trip.
For those who are not mentally prepared to expect the unexpected from shrooms are bound to fall into the dark depths of a bad trip.
~ LC
I agree, and I'm one to defend that a bad trip can happen to anybody, in fact, I almost feel like more experience leads to more vulnerability. At least for me it did. However, you are correct about the immaturity aspect, I just disagree with the "inexperience". It isn't always about having enough experience to handle the "intensity", sometimes it's just realizing things about your life that they themselves are too difficult to cope with. This can be painful on any dose, and even sober. It's one thing to say "Fuck this trip is too intense", it's another to feel like, even on a low dose of any psychedelic, that "The person I am seeing is not what I want to be seeing.
Overall I agree with you on the irresponsibility and immaturity. I will admit with every ounce of honesty in me that I was irresponsible when these trips happened. I should have known better than to trip under such circumstances, but you know what? I can't say I regret it. You can experience some dark and hellish thoughts, but holy fucking God are they interesting.
|
AkashicExplorer
Dimensional Jumper



Registered: 09/12/13
Posts: 912
Last seen: 3 days, 2 hours
|
|
You can have trips of 5 grams and them being amazing and have a 2g those of the very same shrooms and have a bad trip. There is time for everything and while maybe now is not meant for the shrooms to show you something you wont like, it can be meant in the future and thus, have a bad trip. It's a risk. You can minimize the chances, but never prevent them.
--------------------
The 87 gram MushZilla BEAST
And it just obliterated the uttermost crap out from me. Love, Bliss, Laughter and Enlightenment!
|
Disarmedaxe
Stranger

Registered: 02/09/14
Posts: 3
Last seen: 10 years, 3 days
|
|
Quote:
JacksonMetaller said: Disarmedaxe, since you said you're a novice tripper... A word of advice for the future. Do not EVER admit that there is anything wrong when you're tripping. In my ayahuasca experience (as well as every other bad trip i've had) the turning point was when i uttered the phrase "somethings not right". That's when the panic alarms go off.
Thank you for the advice. This really helps. When I was writing in my notebook I wrote the word "tension" and it stuck out of the page. I got a terrible vibe from it and it spiraled. I'm glad there are other people out there who have experienced the same thing as I have.
|
mycomaniac12
Stranger
Registered: 01/28/14
Posts: 70
Last seen: 9 years, 10 months
|
Re: How is it possible to have a bad trip? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#19546090 - 02/09/14 11:12 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
|
|
Oh trust me its very possible and not to be negative but if you keep tripping it will happen. 99% of the time bad trips are cause of over dosing (taking too much getting overwhelmed) or setting, but trust me these powerful tools can show you hell even if everything seems great.
My theory on this is they simply show truth in every aspect of life. People use drugs to feel good, psyches are a doube edged sword, in a way their more reality than any uppers even though they take you out of reality, these tools have good and bad to show you, just like life, theirs good and bad. Nothing is a bed of roses, you have to work and focus to get were you want to be at in life. Honestly if I only had good trips, I wouldn't respect them as much as I do (because id miss-use them and abuse them), some of my most important trips weren't the most positive, people seem to take hard experiences and turn them into something positive more than take positive experiences and turn it into something positive. Kinda like people listen to war but not peace.
I think these tools are vast complex teachers that have more to offer than some cool colors. I swear ive found the meaning to life on shrooms once.
|
Eclipse3130
Servant of the Fungi



Registered: 10/06/13
Posts: 6,251
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 38 minutes, 24 seconds
|
Re: How is it possible to have a bad trip? [Re: Disarmedaxe]
#20569491 - 09/15/14 04:30 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Disarmedaxe said: I'm glad this thread was the one that finally pushed me to register.
I noticed that you registered in early October. So I'm assuming you had your first experience around that time. I also started experimenting with psychedelics a few months ago. My first trip was the last Sunday in August. Until November 26th all I had tripped on was 25i-NBOMe, but when I got my hands on real LSD everything changed.
I liked tripping alone, so I dropped a couple of weak tabs at my house on a Sunday night. I wasn't planning on doing anything else besides drawing, smoking weed, and listening to music. That's all I wanted to do and I had a fucking blast that night. I put so much emotion into this picture and I forced myself to finish it. I would usually get bored with a drawing and start a new one, but when I tried doing that while tripping it was different. I recognized the behavior and changed it. I was drawing the entire time I was plateauing. When I finished it I was so proud. You can probably infer what the therapeutic benefits from this session were.
So let's go a couple weeks later shall we? December 13th. Ironically enough it was actually Friday. That thought didn't come up in my trip though. I'm not superstitious so I guess it just didn't register. Anyway, I got these tabs from a friend I met in my class this Fall semester. He's probably the smartest person I've encountered at my college. At some point while texting him that day, he told me that they're from his dealer's "head stash, so they should be something special". This was weird. I knew what I was getting into, but I also knew how much I could and couldn't handle. But when I say "couldn't" I didn't know what that was. I just had my one experience to base that off of and I had no idea what I was getting into.
I dropped the tabs at 11:30pm. I was alone in my house. Parents were gone. Didn't really try to get any of my friends to come over. Nothing was going on that night. It was dark, cold and cloudy out. I hesitated for a split second before putting them on my tongue. I knew I was going to come out of this different, but I didn't know how different.
At around 1:00am, I went into my car to smoke and listen to music. I had these amazing moments of understanding and euphoria that transcend anything I have ever felt or experienced. By around 2 I was done smoking and listening to music. I wanted to document my trip and write my thoughts down. Don't do this. I went inside grabbed my notebook and started writing. I put some music on and it was really beautiful, but as the album came to an end I became aware of it and I started to feel alone. By the end of my note taking session, I had driven to the idea that I need to branch off... I needed to let go of all my beliefs and accept this new reality. I didn't. I couldn't do it.
This sent me into a psychomimetric state of panic and terror. I was on the phone with my friend for about 45 minutes total. He has some experience with psychedelics, but I didn't trust anything he would tell me. He was sober and not really understanding the gravity of the situation at the time. I was begging him to come over, offering him money. Freaking the fuck out. I hung up on him a couple times because I didn't trust him. I kept thinking that it was like a movie also. The thought of my new friend from school selling me acid that "should be special" threw me somewhere dark. That's actually the initial reason I called my friend in the first place. But I couldn't form sentences or finish thoughts. I sounded like a schizophrenic during a psychotic episode. I kept saying "I'm losing grip on reality" and those words alone remind me of how bad I was bugging out that night.
There was also a point where I wasn't sure if I even took acid, and I thought I was going to trip forever. My mind was like a Picasso painting. Which reminds me that there were some good parts to my trip. I experienced ego death for the first time, which is partially the reason I freaked.
Since this trip I've done nothing but reading up on Psychedelics. Which is what I suggest you do before you get slammed one day. Preparation is key my friend. Check out these two reads.
http://www.maps.org/ritesofpassage/lsdhandbook.html "Tripping! For Dummies" http://deoxy.org/psyexp.htm The Psychedelic Experience
I hope some of this helps you.
Alert 
Thanks for those links..I have recently, and finally came across LSD after searching all this time, and still have yet to try it.. Well here I am 7 months later, and about 5 or so more trips under my belt(all mushrooms) still haven't had a personal "bad" experience knock on wood. But I have experienced the bad effects second-handedly of mushrooms and LSD.
I was with 2 friends on 2 separate occasions where they both completely had horrible trips. This didn't cause me to have a "bad" trip, I just said to myself, well this is nice, this person basically ruined the experience of the day, even though I was still enjoying myself... I knew I had to keep an eye out for these people, which slightly distracted me from what I wanted to do on my tip, but still I say I learned from all my experiences, and the ones which other people went bad in, I can say I learned more from those more than I have learned from the good..
A basic TLDR of the two experiences:
1) Hike to top of a mountain to reach the lake at the top, a buddy starts having a bad trip, and I basically "run" for my life down the mountain, as he goes into a primal state.. He lets out murderous, distinct, murderous grizzly bear roars, you could not mistake it for a giant 1,000 pound grizzly bear, with the meaning of killing behind these roars. This ex-friend was LOOKING to kill, time was so distorted, and darkness was setting in fast, as I felt I could never reach the bottom of the mountain in my miniature like body, my footsteps felt so small. I thought I was already dead watching my dream of how this man killed me, he ends up breaking down on the ride home and freaks out on us when we get back home, I haven't talked to the man since.
2) Friend takes LSD, & mushrooms on 3 separate occassions and has thoughts of suicide, death, and most of all murder. He said he felt as if he was being taken over by some type of mind control, he would let out manic laughs, demonic, as he could clearly picture himself slamming bodies onto a bunch of shattered glass as blood spews everywhere. He claimed he tried very hard to contain himself from going on a killing spree, he said he could feel the pleasure if he would have and it would of been the best thing he has ever felt. He thought we were making gestures to him that would make him think he was gay, or how we were talking to him made him think like we were trying to control his mind to make him believe he was gay. The 2 mushroom trips, he spent curled up in a ball, and the LSD trip he went absolutely maniac. Though these experiences did fill me with fear at times, I don't classify them as a bad trip, because it wasn't personal.. I still had a good time, it just sucked having to watch my back from these people..
I'm curious to as if any of you have had personal 1 on 1 or group experiences where people have gone this route? It doesn't seem common... I have experienced thoughts of being gay personally, but they didn't bother me, because I could still realize I was under the influence, and would come out of it, I take everything for what it is and let it flow right by. I thought to myself.. Hmm.. maybe I am actually gay? What if I was? Would that matter? No.. All that matters in this world is to love and be loved, so I don't see why I would have any fear of turning gay..
This brings me to the point of HOCD, as I later found out DEFINITELY both of these people have had issues with anxiety and OCD related issues in their past, and apparent on the trips as well.. I can conclude that their bad trips are OCD related.
I think the key to tripping is, to not trip often, have the same mind-state each time you revisit, in search of bettering yourself. And you should be good
-------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
Edited by Eclipse3130 (09/15/14 05:08 AM)
|
allseeingike



Registered: 04/06/11
Posts: 2,832
Loc: elgin ill-miami fl
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
|
Re: How is it possible to have a bad trip? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#20569907 - 09/15/14 08:39 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Eclipse3130 said: Well, it's obvious if your dose is too high, or you're in a bad setting the chances of having a "bad" trip will increase.
But with my previous mushroom experiences, I don't see how it's even remotely possible to have a "bad" trip with the correct dose and setting.
I could see if I took too much, how I may be startled and swirl into a bad trip, but if you take a dose you know you can tolerate and have fun with, how are you going to have a bad trip if the setting is locked in as well?
I just don't understand how people are having bad trips, I don't think I ever will, unless I try an amount that is too high or I haven't attempted yet combined with a bad setting.
I believe dose and setting are the only factors of inducing a bad trip.. is there anything else? I just can't see myself falling into one, and feel sorry for those that do.
Nothing wrong with a bad trip ime they are more intense and you learn more. And its not so much a bad trip but you experience all good and bad so it wont be fun but it will leading to feelings of madness or laughing histerically but kbowing you are about to die and feeling hopeless and scared. Forgetting you took deugs and your name and thinking you are really dying.
Bad trips can happen fromvtaking too much or sometimes your regular dose overwhelms you even on snaller than regukar doses. I feel like a bad trip happens when you meed it regardless of dose. Again I also feel like bad teip is a bad term as I always have something positive to bring back more so than from "good" trips
|
Eclipse3130
Servant of the Fungi



Registered: 10/06/13
Posts: 6,251
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 38 minutes, 24 seconds
|
Re: How is it possible to have a bad trip? [Re: allseeingike]
#20570208 - 09/15/14 10:25 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
I only had 3 trips under my belt back then but I have experienced the bad side of psychedelics for sure
-------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
|
|