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cinderblock
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Desired features in dehydrator?
#20565900 - 09/14/14 11:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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According to all the posts, you want a dehydrator that comes with a thermostat that can be adjusted down to 95 degrees.
I looked it up on Amazon, and there are several models that offer thermostats that can get down to 95.
Are there any other features that I should look for? Like the level of trays? The height? The wattage? BPA-free?
What do you think of these?
http://www.amazon.com/Nesco-FD-61WHC-Snackmaster-Dehydrator-All-In-One/dp/B0002WSQHU/ref=sr_1_2?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1410716335&sr=1-2&keywords=american+harvest+dehydrator
http://www.amazon.com/Nesco-Snackmaster-Food-Dehydrator-FD-75A/dp/B0090WOCN0/ref=sr_1_5?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1410716334&sr=1-5&keywords=american+harvest+dehydrator
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Desired features in dehydrator? [Re: cinderblock]
#20565938 - 09/14/14 12:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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you want a dehydrator that can dry at at least 160F turn the thermostat all the way up the actives don't break down till well over 300F you want to dry them fast use heat and forced air. that's why dehydrators are the no1 recommended method 95F is much too cool and will take you at least 24 hours to get cracker dry.
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Sanguin3
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Re: Desired features in dehydrator? *DELETED* [Re: cinderblock]
#20565942 - 09/14/14 12:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Desired features in dehydrator? [Re: Sanguin3]
#20565957 - 09/14/14 12:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sanguin3 said: You don't need one with an adjustable thermostat. The actives don't break down until much higher temps than dehydrators reach, anything that claims you shouldn't go higher than 95 degrees is BS. I use a cheap presto from walmart and I've seen a few pics of others using the same one.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Presto-Dehydro-Electric-Food-Dehydrator-06300/20924338
35 bucks, that's all ya need. Might even be a little cheaper on amazon

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Sanguin3 said: anything that claims you shouldn't go higher than 95 degrees is BS.
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cinderblock
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Re: Desired features in dehydrator? [Re: bodhisatta]
#20567291 - 09/14/14 04:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks guys I'm glad I checked. All the past threads were recommending 95. Egad how times change.
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Re: Desired features in dehydrator? [Re: cinderblock]
#20567373 - 09/14/14 05:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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well, my best answer to this is not to use a dehydrator in the first place. the desirable indoles break down by reaction with oxygen, forming a simpler inactive indole that is blueish in color. the rate of reaction is directly proportional to temperature. the reaction uses water as an intermediate, so it comes to a standstill once the mushrooms are dry. decomposition temperatures in the hundreds of degrees are relating to dry samples. the ambient temp inside a dehydrator may be significantly lower than surface temps.
but after all, you asked what kind of dehydrator to use, and by far the best way to dry shrooms is in a frost-free freezer. at temps below freezing, the water intermediate in the reaction is once again eliminated, because it is trapped in frozen crystals.
numerous bio-assays and side by side empirical tests indicate that potency is significantly higher when freezer dried.
it only takes a few days to freezer dry to cracker-dry
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Sanguin3
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Re: Desired features in dehydrator? *DELETED* [Re: tchyted]
#20567545 - 09/14/14 05:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Desired features in dehydrator? [Re: tchyted]
#20567975 - 09/14/14 07:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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tchyted said: well, my best answer to this is not to use a dehydrator in the first place. the desirable indoles break down by reaction with oxygen, forming a simpler inactive indole that is blueish in color. the rate of reaction is directly proportional to temperature. the reaction uses water as an intermediate, so it comes to a standstill once the mushrooms are dry. decomposition temperatures in the hundreds of degrees are relating to dry samples. the ambient temp inside a dehydrator may be significantly lower than surface temps.
but after all, you asked what kind of dehydrator to use, and by far the best way to dry shrooms is in a frost-free freezer. at temps below freezing, the water intermediate in the reaction is once again eliminated, because it is trapped in frozen crystals.
numerous bio-assays and side by side empirical tests indicate that potency is significantly higher when freezer dried.
it only takes a few days to freezer dry to cracker-dry
check your sources and make sure they were not published in the 70s
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Re: Desired features in dehydrator? [Re: Sanguin3]
#20568248 - 09/14/14 08:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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im pretty sure if you freeze a wet mushroom it will just turn to mush when you thaw it, but im not nearly as scientific as that guy so maybe hes taking about some sort of flash freezing something or another apparatus. a normal freezer though...not for drying mushrooms
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Re: Desired features in dehydrator? [Re: tchyted]
#20568380 - 09/14/14 08:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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tchyted said: well, my best answer to this is not to use a dehydrator in the first place. the desirable indoles break down by reaction with oxygen, forming a simpler inactive indole that is blueish in color. the rate of reaction is directly proportional to temperature. the reaction uses water as an intermediate, so it comes to a standstill once the mushrooms are dry. decomposition temperatures in the hundreds of degrees are relating to dry samples. the ambient temp inside a dehydrator may be significantly lower than surface temps.
but after all, you asked what kind of dehydrator to use, and by far the best way to dry shrooms is in a frost-free freezer. at temps below freezing, the water intermediate in the reaction is once again eliminated, because it is trapped in frozen crystals.
numerous bio-assays and side by side empirical tests indicate that potency is significantly higher when freezer dried.
it only takes a few days to freezer dry to cracker-dry
And have you actually tried freezer dry them?
The ambient temperature in a dehydrator is higher than the temperature of the mushrooms due to evaporative cooling, you got that backwards.
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Re: Desired features in dehydrator? [Re: Kizzle]
#20568495 - 09/14/14 08:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have heard of freeze drying things before, but you dont use a regular freezer, also I dont think it would be worth buying the piece of equipment to do the job of drying mushrooms when a dehydrator could do it at more than likely a fraction of the price and for all you know just as well
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Re: Desired features in dehydrator? [Re: supernewfie]
#20568496 - 09/14/14 08:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Desired features in dehydrator? [Re: supernewfie]
#20569024 - 09/14/14 10:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kizzle
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Re: Desired features in dehydrator? [Re: supernewfie]
#20569032 - 09/14/14 11:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Freezing fresh mushroom may be fine for potency testing but their no longer going to be mushrooms in a saleable sense at least even after they're dried.
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Re: Desired features in dehydrator? [Re: Kizzle]
#20570311 - 09/15/14 10:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Interesting stuff. Maybe freeze drying mushrooms will catch on in the future, but it seems really expensive. Maybe they'll come up with cheaper technology a decade from now.
As far as potency goes, I think the standard measuring stick has always been dehydrating or air drying, so assuming freeze drying is superior to dehydrating and you do end up freeze drying your shrooms as a perk of working for a company who has this setup, you'd have to adjust the hero dose.
Also, I'm sure there are a lot of studies on nutrient retention of dehydrated fruit vs freeze dried fruit, that you can use to compare with what you think the effects will be on mushrooms.
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Re: Desired features in dehydrator? [Re: cinderblock]
#20574216 - 09/16/14 07:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have an Excalibur dehydrator. 4 trays for about 100$ worth every penny. it's thermostat can be set to 95. good to treat all your hardware like good investments like AA.
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Sanguin3
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Re: Desired features in dehydrator? *DELETED* [Re: cupkek]
#20574779 - 09/16/14 10:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Desired features in dehydrator? [Re: Sanguin3]
#20574792 - 09/16/14 10:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sanguin3 said: I'd rather spend the same amount of money and get 3 dehydrators
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Re: Desired features in dehydrator? [Re: Sanguin3]
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