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Nicklim122
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Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form)
#20560972 - 09/13/14 04:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey guys, I'm still kinda new at this so any advice would be well appreciated. I inoculated some rye grains and put. Them in a case and cased it with 100% peat Moss and a sprinkled a touch of perlite and hydrated lime. I then waited and patched till it to colonized to the first picture, and I moved the case to my terrarium.
 I fan my terrarium quite often, couple times per hour, it's at a 90-95% humidity and I have a lamp directly shining on the terrarium during day time. I have a problem with Temps though, the climate I live in allows a high temp 82-85f. It's been in the terrarium for about 5 days now and the the last two photos are how it is now.. There is a little blue bruising on the side.. Should I be worried? I observers tons of the little hypnal knots I was supposed to see but nothing that resembles a mushroom. .. The casing seems to be have too much growth on it.. Is it overlay? :/ thanks again for any help! 


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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: Nicklim122]
#20561159 - 09/13/14 07:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey, bud. Sorry to break it to you, but you don't have a single hyphal knot that I can see. I think what you're looking at is actually aerial mycelium, most likely due to the construction of your terrarium. While you're doing a good job of fanning, it isn't nearly enough air to promote pinning. You should really turn that tub into a shotgun fruiting chamber by drilling a whole bunch of holes in it and elevating it off the floor by a few inches. Passive airflow designs are the way to go.
You will never see overlay. It's terrifying and looks like bat skin and you'd be on here asking us wtf is wrong if you had it.

The above pic, compliments of ghiajake, is the only photographic evidence I've ever seen of its existence. It's pretty much the bigfoot of cultivation.
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: Psilicon]
#20561196 - 09/13/14 07:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i have put a bunch of holes in the sides, slapping micropore tape over all the holes, you think it could breath? So what could I do to remedy the situation? is the whole thing f***ed?  heres more close up pictures.
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: Nicklim122]
#20561203 - 09/13/14 07:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It isn't fucked. You should really turn that tub into a shotgun fruiting chamber by drilling a whole bunch of holes in it and elevating it off the floor by a few inches.
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: Psilicon]
#20561231 - 09/13/14 07:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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so is it a tray of cased grains or were the grains mixed with a bulk sub, colonized, and then cased?
sometimes the terminology gets confusing, what you have there is a tray, either of cased grains or cased bulk sub
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: Mdahmer]
#20561235 - 09/13/14 07:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its of cased grain, no bulk substrate.
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: Nicklim122]
#20561239 - 09/13/14 07:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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cased grains it is. in the future you should try mixing your grains with coir/verm. it provides nutrition and alot more water. but for now def get your tray some fresh air. its very important for cubes
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: Psilicon]
#20561256 - 09/13/14 07:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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van der griegen said: Hey, bud. Sorry to break it to you, but you don't have a single hyphal knot that I can see. I think what you're looking at is actually aerial mycelium, most likely due to the construction of your terrarium. While you're doing a good job of fanning, it isn't nearly enough air to promote pinning. You should really turn that tub into a shotgun fruiting chamber by drilling a whole bunch of holes in it and elevating it off the floor by a few inches. Passive airflow designs are the way to go.
You will never see overlay. It's terrifying and looks like bat skin and you'd be on here asking us wtf is wrong if you had it.

The above pic, compliments of ghiajake, is the only photographic evidence I've ever seen of its existence. It's pretty much the bigfoot of cultivation.
Never say never, he might someday.
Wow that looks hella fucked up though, lol what is overlay? fungus? or a genetic malfunction
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: Psilicon]
#20562374 - 09/13/14 03:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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van der griegen said: Hey, bud. Sorry to break it to you, but you don't have a single hyphal knot that I can see. I think what you're looking at is actually aerial mycelium, most likely due to the construction of your terrarium. While you're doing a good job of fanning, it isn't nearly enough air to promote pinning. You should really turn that tub into a shotgun fruiting chamber by drilling a whole bunch of holes in it and elevating it off the floor by a few inches. Passive airflow designs are the way to go.
You will never see overlay. It's terrifying and looks like bat skin and you'd be on here asking us wtf is wrong if you had it.

The above pic, compliments of ghiajake, is the only photographic evidence I've ever seen of its existence. It's pretty much the bigfoot of cultivation.
That looks more like rhizomorphic (a good thing) than aerial mycelium. Though I am fairly new I thought aerial mycelium looked whispy and cottony, not rhizomorphic. Rhizo is a sign of healthy mycelium with a strong cell structure if I am not mistaken. OP, just give it some more time. I do not think it is fucked. Actually, it looks pretty normal to me.
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
#20562821 - 09/13/14 05:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It stops being normal rhizomorphic growth when it reaches into the air. Plus we know his FAE is low, because look at his fruiting chamber.
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: Psilicon]
#20562832 - 09/13/14 05:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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van der griegen said: It stops being normal rhizomorphic growth when it reaches into the air. Plus we know his FAE is low, because look at his fruiting chamber.
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: TheChief]
#20564123 - 09/13/14 11:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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So to be clear, Ariel mycellium is bad? It's a sign that the FC needs more FEA?
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: Nicklim122]
#20564232 - 09/14/14 12:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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yup. not that its bad per se but its a symptom of bad conditions and you likely wont get pins or at least not a good pinset until it is fixed
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: Mdahmer]
#20564484 - 09/14/14 02:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Okay, I put holes on the sides as with the shotgun terrarium and put it on my table, will be updating with photos!
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: Nicklim122]
#20564521 - 09/14/14 02:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, drill 1/4" holes all over 2" apart in a grid. When you get fresh air the mycelium will form the hyphal knots and pin, probably within a few days. Your tray looks good. Make sure you use one of the 6500k bulbs everyone talks about.
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: Psilicon]
#20565184 - 09/14/14 08:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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van der griegen said: It stops being normal rhizomorphic growth when it reaches into the air. Plus we know his FAE is low, because look at his fruiting chamber.
Ok... thanks for clearing that up for me. I know of the different types of mycelium, but was not aware it changes once exposed to the air. I just learned something new. I appreciate it.
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
#20565449 - 09/14/14 09:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sure thing. But it's not just that it's exposed to air--it's that it's lifting off the surface of the substrate in an attempt to maximize its exposure to air so it can get the oxygen it wants. How's the shotgun fruiting chamber coming along?
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: Psilicon]
#20565490 - 09/14/14 10:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good, put holes in all the sides and waiting for results.. Any thoughts on misting? I think my casing layer is too dry.. how will I know if it's time to mist?
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: Nicklim122]
#20565516 - 09/14/14 10:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's pretty easy, actually. Adhere to your regular fanning schedule, and whenever you fan examine the surface for visible moisture. If it's there, don't mist. If it isn't there, do mist.
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: Psilicon]
#20565696 - 09/14/14 11:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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van der griegen said: Sure thing. But it's not just that it's exposed to air--it's that it's lifting off the surface of the substrate in an attempt to maximize its exposure to air so it can get the oxygen it wants. How's the shotgun fruiting chamber coming along?
Not trying to jack the thread. You must be thinking of the OP or someone else. I've had a SGFC for a long time now...lol. Actually just able to do monos again after a bad sporulated trich infestation.
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
#20594921 - 09/20/14 10:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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hey guys! update time! okay, so i finally got pins, im misting till saturation 4 times day.. how ever its only pinning on the top alittle and quite a bit on one side... was wondering the cause of this.. and also, since my pins are growing out of the side, is it possible to cut my aluminum casing to give space or the mushrooms to grow?
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: Nicklim122]
#20595183 - 09/20/14 10:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What substrate did you use? I would say ease up on the spraying I think it looks a little wet also is that thing kept in a terrarium or a sgfc? Don't cut the foil on the side... It's common for pins to form there they will be fine.
Edit: Sorry totally missed the whole rest of the thread
Edited by gardenstate (09/20/14 10:59 PM)
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: gardenstate]
#20595684 - 09/21/14 03:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Used Rye grain as sub substrate. SGFC with a small air purifier inside to improve FEA.
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: Nicklim122]
#20595728 - 09/21/14 03:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The substrate looks saturated but the surface to me appears dry. That's why the pins are forming along the sides where it's more humid. You have the air purifier inside the SGFC? that might be creating too much FAE and drying things out. I believe the point of the holes in a SGFC is to allow air from the outside, in; while maintaining humidity. Air circulation inside-out would just blow out all the humidity.
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: Icon]
#20601207 - 09/22/14 01:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icon said: The substrate looks saturated but the surface to me appears dry. That's why the pins are forming along the sides where it's more humid. You have the air purifier inside the SGFC? that might be creating too much FAE and drying things out. I believe the point of the holes in a SGFC is to allow air from the outside, in; while maintaining humidity. Air circulation inside-out would just blow out all the humidity.
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Re: Am I on the right track? (waiting for pins to form) [Re: gardenstate]
#20601426 - 09/22/14 02:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I myself had a lot of problems tryn to get the humidity right in a sgfc to the point were my substrate was drying out and the myc was disappearing!!! I said to hell with it and invested in a martha (greenhouse) and the reptile fogger system after only three days in that it started popping out pins first only on the sides so I did cut slots in the corners and folded the sides down on one and the other I just took it out of the tray and put it on a cookie sheet. From my n00b research u need good FAE many times a day and let the substrate dry out then remoisten it once dried out with a spray down. So follow my post if u wanna see what happens when someone folds the sides down or moves it out of tray and put them on a cookie sheet lol http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20329424
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