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fireworks_god
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Brian Jones said: Oh come on! We all know that sex has the potential to be about the highest form of human experience, and other times you're just doing it.
I remember conversations with female sociologists who said "sex is a form of communication" And I remember thinking (but probably not saying) well, the earlier minutes of sex is a form of communication, but after a while it goes all animal. I think that's the way it's supposed to be. I don't remember getting any complaints from that sort of progression in my experiences.
Any human experience has the potential to be about either the highest form of experience or "just doing it", but actually what I was commenting on was the derogatorily-framed reference to such a desire as being "animal", the implication being that "animal" and "spiritual" are two different matters.
I said I find that ridiculous because we're still animals doing the same type of things, only that he's described finding a more enhanced and expanded experience of the same thing. Implying that one's animal and one's not is pretty ignorantly judgmental of something essential to being a living, breathing creature.
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CosmicJoke said: I once read about a study that was to be performed in the UK in which carefully monitored week long comas would be induced with ketamine, and the intent was to essentially 'reboot' the brain for precisely such types of pain. I'm curious how that panned out. 
Hmm, that's quite interesting.
http://www.rsds.org/electronic%20alert%20archive/AnesthesiologyNews_01312008.html
It sounds like they're already doing this to treat RSD. Apparently it works well but half the time the pain comes back later on.
On a similar note, I read about a study where they brought in patients with restricted range of movement of various joints, which is where the amount of degrees the joint can express is less than the physical capacity. They also brought in some manual therapists who practice deep tissue massage and whose explicative models say that the fascia is responsible for these restrictions, that their therapy helps to set the fascia straight, to relax it and reorientate it (the fascia being the connective tissue which envelopes muscles and whatnot).
The manual therapists performed the range of motion checks on the patients (moving their limbs for them with no attempt from the patient to perform the movements themselves) and diagnosed them as having tight fascia... then they put the patients under with anesthetics and they exhibited complete range of motion. 
So it was the nervous system boxing in how much the limbs could move while they were conscious; if it were the fascia, it wouldn't matter if they were conscious or not. Then there's the cases where errors in the body's sense of joint placement and location can create a lot of problems for muscles... when a joint is in a completely neutral position, neither the synergist or antagonist muscles should be activated in order for that position to be maintained, but sometimes they enter into a holding pattern where they're both activated, fighting against each other to maintain a position that should simply hold itself without either of their input...
And all that continual muscle activity can create all kinds of extra chemical backload which serves to irritate the nerves passing through them, creating pain for absolutely no reason.
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fireworks_god said: Then there's the cases where errors in the body's sense of joint placement and location can create a lot of problems for muscles... when a joint is in a completely neutral position, neither the synergist or antagonist muscles should be activated in order for that position to be maintained, but sometimes they enter into a holding pattern where they're both activated, fighting against each other to maintain a position that should simply hold itself without either of their input...
And all that continual muscle activity can create all kinds of extra chemical backload which serves to irritate the nerves passing through them, creating pain for absolutely no reason. 
And this has a strong semblance to something that occurs in relationships between people, too. Defensive or simply regressive holding patterns making people have to invest effort and struggle to maintain something with someone that should simply manifest naturally.
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Icelander said: I can tolerate a lot of pain while playing ukulele. I have pain in both thumbs but I love to play and so do.
From a lot of experience of using my hands in various ways more craftily (guitar, massage, etc.) and also dealing with a lot of pain, sometimes I speculate on how much of a fine line it may be between pain and perceptive sensitivity. I mean, how would you tell if there's anything real causing the pain when you're playing guitar or ukulele, or if the extent to which you've tuned into the inner workings of your fingers has messed with a more instinctual setting for pain threshold? In other words, it's possible that the increase in focusing in on those signals could confuse the brain into processing them as pain due to how amplified they are...
The science of pain has increased more in the last twenty years than all the previous ones humanity has known combined, but it's still just in its infancy, and the line between nociception and pain can be pretty blurry. There's a lot of cases where the brain fools itself into thinking there's a reason to perceive pain, and a lot of cases where it develops a case of central sensitivity, making way too much out of the signals that are actually coming through due to, again, sensitivity.
So the realm of belief enters into the equation, but I'm finding it can be pretty damn hard to just push through pain without objectively knowing that it's not provoking actual damage. And it's the sensory aspects of the nerves that get blown through before the motor control aspects really start to be so affected, so you can't really know gauging by physical performance until you've already fucked with those sensory aspects a lot. 
This is an interesting post, and rather intellectual, but I think what you are saying about signals from the brain could be a major area of development.
All I know is, once the middle finger of my left hand went bad, it hurts a little and has limited mobility; my doctor just looked at it for a second and called it "trigger finger". It's OK except if I try to bend it to play guitar chords, then it hurts a lot and I quickly stop. I should have sold the guitar and amp, but I'm still hoping, and it looks good just sitting there. My doctor said my finger can only get worse.
The "science of pain" sounds so intriguing and there's a future to it but not all that much right now. My late father decades ago had some unbearable back pain and they gave him an electronic device, which he said sort of took the edge off it, but not much.
Because of prescription pain pill abuse, the federal government is cracking down big time, and the legitimate users as well as the abusers are getting cut off. I know one vike at night would give me 4-6 hours when my jaw wasn't killing me, but I understand the issues. I don't think I ever abused hydrocodone, and stayed away from oxy except 3 or 4 times. I overuse my prescription to sleeping pills. I frequently take them twice a day to get a couple hours of sleep each time, so I don't need another problem.
I know 2 women who had double spinal fractures and they were prescribed an identical prescription cocktail. 4 10mg Norcos a day, one time released morphine and anti-anxieties as needed. The first woman was my ex girlfriend, and she never seemed high; she was just used to it. The big problem was they gave her 30 day supplies, so in the months with 31 days I had to drive her 100 miles to a pain doctor that had mercy on her. I think when we broke up it was just our personality issues, and not all these drugs.
The 2nd woman was a younger friend of mine. She is cool except around 3 times a year she cuts off all communications with me, then reappears 2 months later and says "Brian', I thought you were a cop" I say "Christine', If I was a cop, don't you think you would know by now" I don't know if these occasional paranoia issues are her prescriptions or probably whatever reason she also sees a shrink. I don't pry because she is cool.
I am good friends with another younger woman, about 35, happily married with 2 children. She has had horrendous pain in her face from fibermyalgia since her teens. They gave her countless root canals, and shots to deaden her face. She loves her husband but says she would kill herself if it wasn't for her kids. She said she was totally considering having half her face paralyzed, and she is very pretty. When I saw her a couple months ago she was so sad because the Mayo Clinic said they didn't think there were any treatments that weren't tried already. So then, her doctors say, look, this has been misdiagnosed so many times, we want to do (I guess) minor brain surgery. Last week her Mother told me she was just getting her vision back. She said "Kate" would always be in pain, but this might stop the worst of it. "Kate" called me this week and said this was her first day of driving. I saw her and she looked beautiful. One side of her face was a tiny bit numb, but she is recovering very quickly and they barely touched her hair.
So I hope the science of pain is making fast progress. For many decades it was ignored, except for guys dying on the battlefield. Until the 70's doctors seemed to prefer people to be in pain because it was considered natural. So we can just hope.
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Have you tried Kratom for pain? Might be worth a shot.
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What's it like? I heard it was kind of like an opioid, which sounds appealing, but then I heard it was stimulating which me think would make my jaw worse. Do you have to smoke it or can you make tea. I smoked cigarettes heavily till I got a painful case of bronchitis and pneumonia. I used Nicorette to quit but that contributed to the TMJ. When I recovered I started using weed as a cigarette substitute, till I pretty well finished off my bronchial tubes. 7 years ago I went to the ER with an inflamed bronchial tube. I wanted an antibiotic. Because I had full Blue Cross at the time they billed me 12 K to tell me I didn't have a heart attack. I was 50 and had been shoveling snow so I could see where they were coming from, but it was in my bronchial tube.
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energizing but not stimulating if that makes sense. Removes pain and for me relaxes. In large doses it's really relaxing and can put you on the nod. I like. Not too hard on the body. Beneficial actually in several ways. Now if your issue is caused by tension/anxiety then I'd give Phenibut a try. That shit is impressive. You can PM me if you have questions. I don't like to see a brother in pain.
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hTx said: very sexual, with everything else flowing from that and also feeding into it.
there is a point where we seem to merge and melt into each other, especially when we orgasm at the same time, its as if we become entranced in this humping pleasure ball of love where we become one, and after-wards, we are left in this blissful embrace in which all previous worries and cares float away. When we come back to reality, i'm still one foot above the ground. And so is she.
This.
I have slept with 5 other girls before my current girlfriend of ~6 months, and I have never experienced anything close to what we can achieve in bed together.
So, before we were together I did not place much importance in sex. This was mostly due to the fact that I was very anxious when ever the time came about and I was worried about cumming to early, which used to be a problem for me.
Now it is as if everything around us ceases to exist, including time, and we become one unit working together towards the same goal. And more times than not we orgasm at the same time, and it is such a magical and pure bliss feeling it is hard to put into words. Afterwords it is as if my mind has been swept clean and nothing in the world is able to produce any sort of manifestation in my head except for what I call "The Best" feeling. That feeling where everything around you seems like it is flowing together, all is one and one is all. The only other time I get that feeling is when I am out on long distance bicycle rides in a beautiful landscaped areas.
Now that I have experienced this whole new aspect of sex I can't see myself not placing a lot of importance in it. What we have together is something that I did not know was possible between two persons until recently, and I am glad I found out about it. She feels the same way, saying she has never had sex like this before either. And she said she used to feel like she was a very physical and sexual person before me, but now it is even more so.
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You're a very lucky boy. Keep up the good work.
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CosmicJoke said: I once read about a study that was to be performed in the UK in which carefully monitored week long comas would be induced with ketamine, and the intent was to essentially 'reboot' the brain for precisely such types of pain. I'm curious how that panned out. 
Hmm, that's quite interesting.
http://www.rsds.org/electronic%20alert%20archive/AnesthesiologyNews_01312008.html
It sounds like they're already doing this to treat RSD. Apparently it works well but half the time the pain comes back later on.
On a similar note, I read about a study where they brought in patients with restricted range of movement of various joints, which is where the amount of degrees the joint can express is less than the physical capacity. They also brought in some manual therapists who practice deep tissue massage and whose explicative models say that the fascia is responsible for these restrictions, that their therapy helps to set the fascia straight, to relax it and reorientate it (the fascia being the connective tissue which envelopes muscles and whatnot).
The manual therapists performed the range of motion checks on the patients (moving their limbs for them with no attempt from the patient to perform the movements themselves) and diagnosed them as having tight fascia... then they put the patients under with anesthetics and they exhibited complete range of motion. 
So it was the nervous system boxing in how much the limbs could move while they were conscious; if it were the fascia, it wouldn't matter if they were conscious or not. Then there's the cases where errors in the body's sense of joint placement and location can create a lot of problems for muscles... when a joint is in a completely neutral position, neither the synergist or antagonist muscles should be activated in order for that position to be maintained, but sometimes they enter into a holding pattern where they're both activated, fighting against each other to maintain a position that should simply hold itself without either of their input...
And all that continual muscle activity can create all kinds of extra chemical backload which serves to irritate the nerves passing through them, creating pain for absolutely no reason. 
Hmm, that is really interesting, bet they're pretty uptight people... if something about their conscious nervous system postures the body in ways that restrict their range of motion.
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hTx said: very sexual, with everything else flowing from that and also feeding into it.
there is a point where we seem to merge and melt into each other, especially when we orgasm at the same time, its as if we become entranced in this humping pleasure ball of love where we become one, and after-wards, we are left in this blissful embrace in which all previous worries and cares float away. When we come back to reality, i'm still one foot above the ground. And so is she.
This.
I have slept with 5 other girls before my current girlfriend of ~6 months, and I have never experienced anything close to what we can achieve in bed together.
So, before we were together I did not place much importance in sex. This was mostly due to the fact that I was very anxious when ever the time came about and I was worried about cumming to early, which used to be a problem for me.
Now it is as if everything around us ceases to exist, including time, and we become one unit working together towards the same goal. And more times than not we orgasm at the same time, and it is such a magical and pure bliss feeling it is hard to put into words. Afterwords it is as if my mind has been swept clean and nothing in the world is able to produce any sort of manifestation in my head except for what I call "The Best" feeling. That feeling where everything around you seems like it is flowing together, all is one and one is all. The only other time I get that feeling is when I am out on long distance bicycle rides in a beautiful landscaped areas.
Now that I have experienced this whole new aspect of sex I can't see myself not placing a lot of importance in it. What we have together is something that I did not know was possible between two persons until recently, and I am glad I found out about it. She feels the same way, saying she has never had sex like this before either. And she said she used to feel like she was a very physical and sexual person before me, but now it is even more so.
Sounds I'll take acid for that.
Guess I'm the only poster that just wants it primal and hot. 
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It hurts so nice I told you once I told you twice, You slapped my face and threw the rice, The storm was wild but you went out and ain't back yet, I bet you're wet and now it's late and life's a great big surprise. It hurts so nice.
It hurts so good I knew it could, Too many nights love was polite not hard or deep, Put me to sleep, I dreamed of you all painted blue and doing this and it came true, You are so crude. It hurts so good.
It hurts so much, your muscle touch my this and that your such and such, Help me up off the floor, No, Push me down once more, It feels so good you leave me limp, Don't get married to that wimp. It hurts so much.
Life is brief but not too short I miss the way you scream and snort, The other girls are too soft, They want romance in a loft, You and me we're from the woods and we make it hurt so good, Come back baby, We suffice, I'm your boy. It hurts so nice.
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sex feels very good. it makes me want to take a nap. and i feel like i'm on a light dose of opiates for 24 hours after, very very relaxed.
too much sex makes me really lazy. that is all...
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