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SwampEyes



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PE casing fully colonised.
#20541849 - 09/09/14 06:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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PE tub: Agar->Rye Berries, Spawned-8/24 to coir/verm/gypsum, Cased-8/30 with Jiffy mix, Fruited-9/3
I put the tub into fruiting when the casing was 30% colonized and the myc never stopped colonizing the casing. Is there anything I can do to improve it? I'm unfamiliar with casings and I know this one hasn't gone as planned. will it still pin?
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: SwampEyes]
#20541886 - 09/09/14 07:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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my understanding is you dont have to wait for casing to be colonized to induce fruiting conditions only have to wait for bulk subs to recolonize
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: bloodyice69]
#20541924 - 09/09/14 07:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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yea, that's the issue. I didn't want the casing to fully colonize, but it continued to do so after I put the tub into fruiting conditions. Since the casing layer is fully colonized, I'm not sure if it's supplying the proper surface for pin formation
edit: to be clear, the substrate was fully colonized before I added the casing on 8/30. Here it is before the jiffy mix casing was added

and here it is after i cased it

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Edited by SwampEyes (09/09/14 07:24 AM)
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: SwampEyes]
#20542466 - 09/09/14 10:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: SwampEyes]
#20542643 - 09/09/14 10:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It will still fruit fine casings are not required for cubes. I am not sure why it colonized the whole thing though. Maybe your tub needs dialed in better.
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: shaymisco]
#20542718 - 09/09/14 11:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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perhaps a FAE problem? causing it to continue colonizing?
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: bloodyice69]
#20542760 - 09/09/14 11:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Same thing happened to the pic in my sig. I was literally complaining to a friend about how long it was taking to pin and went to show it to him and was saying I might as well just toss it, I botched it, etc, and it had a few pins. A week later it was what is in my sig now.
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: imaginaryMe]
#20542880 - 09/09/14 12:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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One thing is the casing is not required for cubes but apparently PE likes it. There is still some debate on this. As far as the added casing starting to colonize, you added food. What did you think was going to happen lol. If you wait for 100% colonization and then wait for it to consume the sub before it starts or right when it starts pinning your casing will not become colonized as rapidly becausenyou will have the mycelium in the fruiting stage not the colonization and consumption stage. You're more than likely fine, but you set fruiting back a couple of weeks.
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: Sockadin]
#20542977 - 09/09/14 12:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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thanks for the input everyone. i guess i put the casing on too soon and should have put it into fruiting earlier. i'll post pics of whatever happens to this thing as it develops
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: SwampEyes]
#20543524 - 09/09/14 02:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dude it'll b fine. I know mine isn't PE but I kept mine in colonization too long for this clone i guess, first time I fruited it, but still got a nice pinset
Edited by Mike1230 (09/09/14 02:52 PM)
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: Mike1230]
#20554371 - 09/11/14 06:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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hey OP, when ya get a chance, can I get an update on this? I got a similar bum-fuckery going on
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SwampEyes



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hey MJF got some nice pins started here! Hope your situation is nothing more than a time setback like mine. 
edit: also, i've been misting lightly and fanning 3-5 times a day to replace water lost on the surface and keep evaporation happening. for whatever reason, the top layer with this colonized casing just doesn't maintain water droplets like both the other two tubs i've done, both without the casing
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Edited by SwampEyes (09/13/14 03:08 PM)
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: SwampEyes]
#20562307 - 09/13/14 03:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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PE does this. I am going through the same thing.
It seems PE likes to digest and colonize a lot more of the substrate than other cubes. It won't initiate pinning until its good and ready.
Your casing procedures seemed fine. I've heard from numerous knowledgeable Shroomers that what your going through is to be expected with cased PE.
Here is my PE tub, I cased and let colonize until 30% just like you. This is 7 days into fruiting.

I have another tub which is B+. I followed the exact same procedures and they were done on the exact same timeline. Here is what it looked like at the exact same time.

If you want, have a look through the whole thread; lots of information regarding casings.
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Edited by TheChief (09/13/14 03:20 PM)
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: TheChief]
#20562377 - 09/13/14 03:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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nice thread Chief. That B+ is about to explode with fruits. I'll be watching the progress. I'm probably not going to work with the jiffy mix casing in the future as long as my uncased mini-tub (same genetics) puts out a mutant-free first flush. It just seems like an added PITA i don't have time for. And i don't like the fact that it's more prone to contaminants than just a CVG mix. I just removed a small amount of Jiffy mix that fell between the liner and the wall and was looking to be growing white mold
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: SwampEyes]
#20562440 - 09/13/14 03:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some times it just happens but it's no big deal these tubs where cased with peat moss and the casing colonised fully in just a few days but they still did fine.
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: Mike1230]
#20562506 - 09/13/14 04:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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dang Muda, nice tubs! can't hate too much on the peat moss with results like that
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Mike1230 said: Dude it'll b fine. I know mine isn't PE but I kept mine in colonization too long for this clone i guess, first time I fruited it, but still got a nice pinset 
yea now i'm wondering if i kept it in colonization too long or if it's simply this particular PE's preference to fully colonize the casing...Nice pinset on that tub though just checked out your thread. Lookin good! And those tamps/galindoi? in your sig look great too! Next thing i do hopefully will be a stone producer
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: SwampEyes]
#20562539 - 09/13/14 04:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can already see 5x more pins than that picture, it was just taken last night. I'm going to get an updated photo in the thread soon.
I'm starting to get worried that there will be too many pins.
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: TheChief]
#20562699 - 09/13/14 04:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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hmm, cool cool cool;
my situation is not PE; I applied a verm/coir casing once the sub reached 100% colonization and immediately put it into fruiting conditions. it ate right through that casing, now, about 75% of the casing is colonized, the other 25% is not, but it's mixed very evenly (the un-colonized is evenly mixed with the colonized) and I THINK it's starting to knot up...this is my first time applying a casing like this (verm/coir) and honestly, it was a little bit of a wait but the surface looks REALLY REALLY good (like pictures I see on here )
also, I fanned ONCE in the past three or four days, I'm just let'n it sit, no misting, no fanning
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Interesting. Sounds like it's headed in the right direction. I'm pleased with the pinset i've gotten from this cased tub as well.
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: SwampEyes]
#20566207 - 09/14/14 01:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sometimes the casing fully colonizes cause the culture just don't give a shit. Here is one I am working on. I put into fruiting one day after I cased and it just kept on eating.
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#20569734 - 09/15/14 07:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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damn yea your myc tore it up after only colonizing that casing for 1 day. seems like PE is just unruly
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: SwampEyes]
#20569753 - 09/15/14 07:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It wasn't PE but it does illustrate the unpredictable nature of different genetics.
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#20569846 - 09/15/14 08:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Sometimes the casing fully colonizes cause the culture just don't give a shit.
^^^^ DING
And sometimes it fully colonizes because that's what mycelium does. Almost all of my cased grows (I say "almost", but I might as well just say "all") got the casing fully colonized whether I put them into fruiting conditions immediately or not. So I learned to allow the mycelium to have a head start colonizing most of the casing layer before I initiated fruiting. It reduced the time exposed to open air conditions and made a stronger condition switch closer to the time they'd be ready to pin anyway.
  
Don't worry. The uneven and humidity-pocket filled casing layer is still a great pinning site when fully colonized. If it's really what they need to do, pins can still form from within the casing layer and push thru any mycelium above.
Your casing layer still serves what I've learned is the most important purpose of a casing layer anyway - a low-nutrition fruiting environment exposed to the intended (& only) fruiting direction. PE seems to benefit from that even moreso than most other Cubensis.
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: Violet]
#20570171 - 09/15/14 10:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: It wasn't PE but it does illustrate the unpredictable nature of different genetics.
agreed. and the more i grow, the more i realize how much there is to learn
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Violet said: So I learned to allow the mycelium to have a head start colonizing most of the casing layer before I initiated fruiting. It reduced the time exposed to open air conditions and made a stronger condition switch closer to the time they'd be ready to pin anyway.
The uneven and humidity-pocket filled casing layer is still a great pinning site when fully colonized. If it's really what they need to do, pins can still form from within the casing layer and push thru any mycelium above.
Your casing layer still serves what I've learned is the most important purpose of a casing layer anyway - a low-nutrition fruiting environment exposed to the intended (& only) fruiting direction. PE seems to benefit from that even moreso than most other Cubensis.
great info Violet. thanks for sharing!
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: Violet]
#20570256 - 09/15/14 10:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Violet said: Don't worry. The uneven and humidity-pocket filled casing layer is still a great pinning site when fully colonized. If it's really what they need to do, pins can still form from within the casing layer and push thru any mycelium above.
I noticed a lot of my pins appeared from within the casing layer pockets exactly how Violet explains here.
Edited by TheChief (09/15/14 12:10 PM)
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: TheChief]
#20574526 - 09/16/14 09:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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yea i've noticed the pockets that formed between the sub and casing seem to be more visible now that the sub has shrunk a good bit. and now i'm planning to case a mini mono tonight after all my anti-casing bs . here's the tub this morning

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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: SwampEyes]
#20574595 - 09/16/14 09:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice fucking job, more dick there than in the village
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#20574950 - 09/16/14 11:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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DAMN.
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#20575034 - 09/16/14 12:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Nice fucking job, more dick there than in the village 
lol thanks man. and i appreciate your easy agar tek. without it this tub would not be
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: SwampEyes]
#20575059 - 09/16/14 12:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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thats a nice box of cocks there swamp
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: cronicr]
#20575080 - 09/16/14 12:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: TheChief]
#20575209 - 09/16/14 01:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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'preciate it yall
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: SwampEyes]
#20576769 - 09/16/14 07:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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look at all that dick.
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: MudaFuka]
#20576948 - 09/16/14 08:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have some pe tubs going right now. One is taking forever to pin, the other put out mostly blobs on the first flush. Neither were cased. I'm starting to think I should've cased..
Well done with your PE.
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Mine seem to take forever weather I case or not but casing has given me much more even pin sets. I consolidate before fruiting and I don't get any blobs.
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: SwampEyes]
#20576985 - 09/16/14 08:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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SwampEyes said: yea i've noticed the pockets that formed between the sub and casing seem to be more visible now that the sub has shrunk a good bit. and now i'm planning to case a mini mono tonight after all my anti-casing bs . here's the tub this morning
 
I'd say that worked.
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: PrimalSoup]
#20578939 - 09/17/14 10:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea the yield has blinded me from seeing any of the downsides to casing tubs. i'll be harvesting this tub today! i don't see any spores though...i was hoping to get some swabs
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: SwampEyes]
#20579096 - 09/17/14 10:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That is a lot of dick.
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: SwampEyes]
#20579252 - 09/17/14 11:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Check the biggest caps inside - I was able to makes swabs even though they didn't drop spores... 

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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: TheChief]
#20579273 - 09/17/14 11:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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awesome, thanks! i'll do that
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: SwampEyes]
#20579820 - 09/17/14 02:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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great job swamp! i think that trumps the cute little mycena in your sig...switch it up
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: cronicr]
#20579854 - 09/17/14 02:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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thanks cron! good call
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Re: PE casing fully colonised. [Re: SwampEyes]
#20579930 - 09/17/14 03:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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just to chime-in/thread-jack, roughly in the same time frame, I had a similar situation as OP; not PE(a clone EQ) but the casing (coir/verm) fully colonized under almost identical circumstances as OP (I put it into fruiting immediately after casing, as opposed to waiting for x% colonization of the casing);
however, unlike OP, the surface on mine seemed to be holding moisture well enough so I attempted a "set&forget" rather than fanning/misting, so now I have a "nothing-to-write-home-about" pinset of some pretty handsome "early-risers"/"volunteers", the rest of the substrate surface is either slightly glistening or COVERED in knots;
would fanning be appropriate, or should I just wait and let it naturally fruit itself? any thoughts? 
also, DAMN TUB O'DICKS!!!
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