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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: Heffy]
    #19399523 - 01/10/14 02:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Actually (as you can clearly see) we were discussing commercial production of hash in states where Cannabis is now legal.




Actually, as you can clearly see, the article in the OP is about amateurs blowing themselves up in their apartments. "we" are not talking about business. You may be but, not "we". I am referring to the article which actually started this thread


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Why would I need to "buy a real C02 extraction system"? It's a very simple extraction. Any decent engineer could probably design one relatively cheaply.





You have clearly done no research into making actual co2 hash. Sure anyone could throw some dry ice and trim in a bubble bag, shake it up and call it co2 hash but, for a "real" yes real co2 extraction machine you WILL spend tens of thousands. I know a group of people who actually have the setup . . .


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19399574 - 01/10/14 02:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I made oil this way as a dumbass kid 15 years old. It's fucking sad that as a kid I was smart enough to know that it's explosive and needs to be done outdoors. Every time I read a story of someone getting burned it boggles my mind. WTF.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19399862 - 01/10/14 04:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Actually, as you can clearly see, the article in the OP is about amateurs blowing themselves up in their apartments. "we" are not talking about business. You may be but, not "we". I am referring to the article which actually started this thread




Me and the two other people who were discussing industrial hash production, were talking about industrial hash production. Your inability to take my post in the context of the discussion is your own problem.

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You have clearly done no research into making actual co2 hash. Sure anyone could throw some dry ice and trim in a bubble bag, shake it up and call it co2 hash but, for a "real" yes real co2 extraction machine you WILL spend tens of thousands. I know a group of people who actually have the setup . . .





What research would I have to do? Are you telling me the extraction does not involve pressing the supercritical C02 through a column filled with weed? If you buy a pre-fab system like the ones that Eden Labs makes, then it would definitely cost tens of thousands of dollars. However as I've already stated, the extraction itself is not a complicated procedure. Are you telling me that an engineer with access to tanks and fittings which withstand the pressure of super-critical C02, couldn't design their own (much cheaper) system? I would have to disagree.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: Heffy]
    #19400600 - 01/10/14 06:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

People just don't seem to understand what they are messing with. You are blasting a very flammable solvent into the air around you. Especially indoors, it is a bad idea. Anything as much as static electricity from your feet can set a spark off. It's best to get the butane out of the mix quickly, but even if cold outside a hot water bath is enough to get all the liquid butane out.

I'd do it once-twice with hot water outdoors, get it as thin as possible to avoid large amounts of butane staying. After that you can purge with hotplate, vac/oven, etc. Only time I've had anything go off on me outdoors was with a hotplate, and that is why I now water-bath it no matter what until all the liquid butane is off the plate.

Really it's a matter of a little bit of chemistry, and a LOT of common sense. These incidents are really just people who lack common sense. Pressurized gas + spark = explosion. Blast your BHO indoors and you're making your house a bomb in which you are standing in.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: Godfather1376]
    #19403536 - 01/11/14 12:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If you're worried about impurities in your solvent, distill it yourself. Much cheaper than a vacuum purging machine.

But Heffy got it pretty much right. Buy some good, clean solvent to begin with and there's just not much concern.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #20539893 - 09/08/14 07:38 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

My guy says the wax in dab is bad.  Burned some stuff to show me the wax and now i get it.  Wax is a contamination of good dab.

When you do a dab, is there liquid left that doesnt burn?  That is wax.  Does your dab burn clean all way way without excessive heating?  That is top shelf.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: baraka]
    #20545373 - 09/09/14 10:18 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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My guy says the wax in dab is bad.  Burned some stuff to show me the wax and now i get it.  Wax is a contamination of good dab.

When you do a dab, is there liquid left that doesnt burn?  That is wax.  Does your dab burn clean all way way without excessive heating?  That is top shelf.




Well kind of. Any residuals from the oil (properly made/purged oil) are going to be plant lipids and such that get through. A lot of commercial BHO makers are now "winterizing" oil to further remove these fats. Some people also contribute the fats to the "lung lock" like effect from non-winterized oil.

Non-winterized oil can still be very bomb, full of terpines and THC and with nothing harmful introduced, but that extra step gets everything just that bit purer.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: Godfather1376]
    #20546214 - 09/10/14 02:48 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Actually the waxes come from impurities in the butane, not from the plant. That is why it all that much more important to de-wax it with dry ice, getting the butane cold enough that these waxes fall out and can then be filtered. As far as the lung lock I am not sure exactly what causes that but it is probably many factors, one huge factor is how hot you are getting your nail. If it is orange when you dab that is waaaaaaaaaay too hot


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #20546716 - 09/10/14 06:52 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

It might help somewhat for impurities in the butane, but the fats/waxes are lipids (scientific name for fats) in the actual plant material that still get through the filtering process. Oil-makers can freeze their oil while in the liquid butane (or through frozen alcohol filtration) to freeze these fats and impurities while the THC, other cannabinoids, and terpenes can stay in the solvent. Plenty of these BHO makers are using research-grade 99.5-8% pure n-butane, with some other solvents like propane and others as extras; meaning that the fats are from the plant, not the butane.

You cannot freeze propane or any other solvent very easily. Think of freezing something as volatile as propane in butane?The temperature would have to be -305.8 °F to freeze the propane in a solid form. Unless you're freezing mercaptins and other hydrocarbons (which with research-grade butane, there is none) all those impurities come from plant matter.

When winterizing first became a popular procedure, tons of people were under the misconception that the lipids and fats were what gave "wax" and honeycomb their texture, claiming that shatter had fewer of these fats. Through the last couple years though, it's evident that they have nothing to do with the texture of the final product.


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