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How do you get the pirfect piset????!!!
    #20537951 - 09/08/14 01:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've been doing mono's for a minute now and I can never seem to get a the greatest pin set. I know I'm doing multispore but I also know I can get a better pin set. What is the best way to get a good first flush? Sometimes I don't see transpiration so I mist and fan, I'm pretty positive I don't over mist or water log them. I don't have a 5500k or 6500k CFL and they are in a back room with NO natural sunlight. They do have a regular light though. Could that be the issue?


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Re: How do you get the pirfect piset????!!! [Re: DEZn00ts]
    #20538037 - 09/08/14 02:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

correct lighting would probably help. mainly getting into agar and cloning though if you want a nice even canopy.

also maybe look into fahsters tub spawning method where you mix sub and spawn evenly then put 2qt of spawn in a layer ontop of that and finish off with a top layer 3/4" or so of bulk sub. then do a late casing with that. youll have to check out his thread on it or ask him ive never tried it yet but he said it makes for a good pin set with the way everything works together

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Re: How do you get the pirfect piset????!!! [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20538054 - 09/08/14 02:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've noticed that PE usually fruits a beautiful canopy sea of dicks when cased, even from MS.


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Re: How do you get the pirfect piset????!!! [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #20538080 - 09/08/14 02:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hahaha, I had a syringe of PE a while back that came contaminated. I need to get another... Fahsters seems like a lot more work involved for small the mini mono's I usually do. Well I just did a few mono's that are colonizing, just pulled the first flush off my Blue Meanie and Menace boxes and I cased with substrate at the same time as mixing the sub and spawn. I like how that works sometimes too! I think i do need that light though, it helps a lot.


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Re: How do you get the pirfect piset????!!! [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #20538084 - 09/08/14 02:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

good lighting and a casing layer, long time no see dez


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Re: How do you get the pirfect piset????!!! [Re: DEZn00ts]
    #20538099 - 09/08/14 02:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

There is so many things that play into that like genetics ( MS,clone,iso etc ) also fruiting conditions sub straight and casing. Then there is using liners in your tubs or trays etc for no or less side pinning. But most of all pray to the shroom gods. I can't wait to see where this tread goes because I know some good and ridiculous info will be posted


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Re: How do you get the pirfect piset????!!! [Re: Callingmehandsome]
    #20538394 - 09/08/14 03:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Good lighting and mist and fan like crazy


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Re: How do you get the pirfect piset????!!! [Re: ambargh]
    #20538486 - 09/08/14 03:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

a lot of time and effort op

You need to isolate out two spores that produce a canopy of mushrooms....this can take many months by a flowhood or glovebox but it pays off in the long run.

There is a cheat that I like to use to avoid the time when starting off cultures.... Use pf cakes, inoculate a case of 12 250ml jars than fruit each one and clone from the best genetics.


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Re: How do you get the pirfect piset????!!! [Re: HybridprX]
    #20538552 - 09/08/14 03:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:popcorn:


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"Additionally I did one Armageddon jar with all of the types together."

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Re: How do you get the pirfect piset????!!! [Re: TheChief]
    #20558233 - 09/12/14 02:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

DING DING DING! I got my answer. Well with an uncased cake, it takes a few more days (approximately 2) for the primordial's to show up( I think that's what their called) and there are more then there was on the uncased mono. The way I case my mono's is by putting the casing material OVER the uncolonized substrate mixture when I make the box. It keeps the area nice and  moist, the Mycelium will colonize the substrate and peek through the top of the canopy PERFECTLY for a nice, beautiful layout. I use the 50/50 tek with a little twust because I'm making mini mono's. Actually I specialize in them lmfao! Never done a reg one!


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Re: How do you get the pirfect piset????!!! [Re: DEZn00ts]
    #20558281 - 09/12/14 02:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Here's a few keys to getting very even pinsets

1. Genetics having a good clone from a cluster is a great start but this can also be done with MS.

2.  Mix your dunked spawn and which ever bulk substrate you're using evenly.  LEVEL IT OFF THE BEST YOU CAN IN YOUR PAN OR TUB.

3.  @ 100% colonization of your bulk sub case it FLAT AND EVEN the best you can (1/2 inch depth is plenty).  Do not introduce it to fruiting yet.  Let this casing colonize about 30%.  It will be mostly around the outside edge and a couple big spots.  Patch all the outside spots and the big spots with some more casing and introduce to fruiting.  This always makes my first flushes look like my signature, MS or clone.

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Re: How do you get the pirfect piset????!!! [Re: Dilated]
    #20558330 - 09/12/14 03:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What you described is what I do minus the dunking, ive never needed too. Oh and  I case it WHEN I put the sub into mono, just pretty much a layer of coir/verm over the top of my mixed substrate, it has the exact same effect as if I cased it after 100% full colonization, just less time. Here is a picture of the most recent UNCASED mono I did. Just sprinkled a little verm on top to get things popping...     ...I will post results for the ready cased <(made it up :wink:  mono's in a few days.


Also, beautiful pinset Dilated, I hope to have the same someday.


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Re: How do you get the perfect piset????!!! [Re: DEZn00ts]
    #20558459 - 09/12/14 03:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Find a straw broom (make sure its straw) mount it like a Strattle than jump up and down in circles around your colonized substrates fruiting chamber....

if that does not work.

You can invest in 120ml canning jars or petri and either make your own MEA or PDA, or buy it online and begin isolating out rhizomorphic growth and fruiting each "isolate" until one produces a full canopy of mushrooms.


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Re: How do you get the perfect piset????!!! [Re: HybridprX]
    #20558502 - 09/12/14 03:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

peat moss is the key that will open up that door


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Re: How do you get the perfect piset????!!! [Re: blindingleaf]
    #20558513 - 09/12/14 03:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Find a straw broom (make sure its straw) mount it like a Strattle than jump up and down in circles around your colonized substrates fruiting chamber....

if that does not work.

You can invest in 120ml canning jars or petri and either make your own MEA or PDA, or buy it online and begin isolating out rhizomorphic growth and fruiting each "isolate" until one produces a full canopy of mushrooms.





Yea I am now after 2 years of doing this going to start isolating my strains.

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peat moss is the key that will open up that door




Can you elaborate a little? I like to try new things.


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Re: How do you get the perfect piset????!!! [Re: DEZn00ts]
    #20558567 - 09/12/14 03:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)




To get a pin set like this you just have to be awesome :shrug:

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Re: How do you get the perfect piset????!!! [Re: Stromrider]
    #20558582 - 09/12/14 03:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid:
i never got lucky with uncased stuff, so I'm kinda just yanking ur chain a bit on the peat.
i'd give it a try if ur having trouble with pin sets though


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Re: How do you get the perfect piset????!!! [Re: Stromrider]
    #20558607 - 09/12/14 03:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

All jokes aside I think genetics  plays a huge role. That pic above is a tmf clone. Spawned 6 qts of colonized grain to coir and verm... No casing. Monotub dialed in like a boss 

Using these exact methods I've had some cultures give me awesome pin sets and some not so good. Use agar and test different cultures. Learn to make slants to save cultures that perform well

Edited by Stromrider (09/12/14 04:03 PM)

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Re: How do you get the perfect piset????!!! [Re: Stromrider]
    #20558663 - 09/12/14 03:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Here is a ksss culture using exact same methods as above pic that turned out like shit



And heres a couple different wikidzon cultures and clones all using the same simple method mentioned above







Im going to say if you feel you have your methods down start thinking more about genetics. That is what made me successful :awesomenod::thumbup:

People are going to say oh you need to case and oh you need to do this or that but if your genetics suck it doesn't matter how perfect the conditions are

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Re: How do you get the perfect piset????!!! [Re: Stromrider] * 1
    #20558672 - 09/12/14 04:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

whale farts...thats the community consensus on my pinsets:laugh2:


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