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beave928
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Half colonized jar! *DELETED*
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Post deleted by beave928Reason for deletion: Weak sauce
Edited by PussyFart (09/07/14 11:56 AM)
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20533068 - 09/07/14 11:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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read the rules dude, edit the sponsor name out of your post.
could be some bacteria, let it go a few more days, make a line with a marker to see how it grows over the next few days, if it stalls out in any area and doesn't move it's bacteria and you'll have to toss it
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: bodhisatta]
#20533087 - 09/07/14 11:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looks contaminated to me.
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20533089 - 09/07/14 11:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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yup that's the same picture
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20533102 - 09/07/14 12:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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yep that's bacterial.
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20533104 - 09/07/14 12:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shit my bad man... Won't happen again thx for the edit
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20533114 - 09/07/14 12:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've been judging it based on markings on the jar and it is growing still it's into the bottom of the jar and wrapping around the top... Man I hope it's not contam, it looks very white and eraser like
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20533126 - 09/07/14 12:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It is contaminated.
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: PussyFart]
#20533172 - 09/07/14 12:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fuck :-(. It looked like it was doing we'll? Zero experience doesn't help with what I THINK is lookin good I guess.... Should I separate it from my other jars? They have a gas exchange filter on top
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20533300 - 09/07/14 12:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Always separate jars that you think are contamed. You know it's contamed now, I would just chuck it if it were me.
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: ToxicDuck]
#20533614 - 09/07/14 01:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm trying to research what type of contam it even is? I would like to reuse the jar so I honestly don't know what to do
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20533633 - 09/07/14 01:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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like they said, its some kind of bacteria if it stalls like that. you can reuse the jar.
what is the filter u are using for ur lid? looks like one of those LC looking filters? i forget what they are called. it might not be getting enough GE, sometimes those things are very restrictive.
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You can always reuse your jars.....soap and water works great.
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: PussyFart]
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beave928
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20533877 - 09/07/14 02:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bottom of jar in question and I nocked up this next jar the same day about 3-4 weeks ago... I'm guessing contam as we'll?
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20533892 - 09/07/14 02:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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And just to clarify it hasn't stalled?? It's started like my second jar just a blob like a week 1/2 ago and it's growing fast but I was concerned about it being ready to fruit before it fully colonized. I had no idea that was contamination because it was white?... Il prob sepperate those 2 jars outside and see what they do before I toss the cake... I don't have any spores left to nok up fresh cakes
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20533906 - 09/07/14 02:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The filter came on my jar, cannot clarify where it came from but it's a standard gas exchange filter that without a doubt is proven to be sufficient for it's use. There is also a self healing inoc point that seemed helpful but difficult to disperse evenly. I'm tried to make this idiot proof and sterilize EVERYTHING!!! I clearly remember not flame sterilizing my needle on these first 2 jars. That may be where this came from. I have 2 more that I did last week and I DID flame that syringe but the plunger got stuck, came loose and dumped 5-6 cc in one jar so we'll see how that turns out...
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20537529 - 09/08/14 12:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok so after some thought my question, is it bacteria that's stopping the myc from growing or is the white stuff bacteria itself?
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20537550 - 09/08/14 12:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doesn't matter....all I see is bacterial growth......toss it and start over.
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: PussyFart]
#20537582 - 09/08/14 12:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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and use the fat short jars
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beave928
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Could I toss it in the garden just to see if anything pops up? Be kinda neat to see that even if there no good??
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20537669 - 09/08/14 12:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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go for it
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beave928
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Do I need to wait till it's %100 or do it now? I found an outdoor tek with Hpoo straw and water so do I crumble cake or do the 24 cold dunk?
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20537829 - 09/08/14 01:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's contaminated...toss it now....it might not ever get to 100%.....no crumble, no dunk, just toss.
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: PussyFart]
#20537908 - 09/08/14 01:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes sir thank u for your help! I'm gonna toss it
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20547470 - 09/10/14 10:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is there anyone who can explain a bit more of what happened? The simple fact it was contaminated doesn't help me learn anything from it? Just toss it out doesn't teach me anything either... I turned to the forum because I don't know anyone personally eho studies mycology. Should I even try to reuse these tall 1/2 pints? I found a case of the short fattys that are recommended but I assumed the self healing noc point and filter would make it fool proof for me... I remember bending my needle trying to evenly disperse with only one hole that isn't even dead center it's offset so it's extremely difficult to get the back of the jar!
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20547600 - 09/10/14 11:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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you don't need to evenly disperse, I've only ever used tall half pints and never had a problem other people have only had problems, I suspect it's somewhat skill based too. You'll learn when you see good jars practice = learning.
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: bodhisatta]
#20575926 - 09/16/14 04:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok so I cut the cake in half and put it into a 2 liter shotgun style... 2" of perlite on the bottom fan and mist 4 times a day. Today I decided to pick the cake up and clean some verm that got in my perlite and this is what the bottom of the cake looks like? Is it gonna continue to colonize and possibly pin?
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20575938 - 09/16/14 04:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's possible. It may also just start growing contamination on the uncolonized substrate, which is likely.
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: PsyDragon]
#20575967 - 09/16/14 04:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is the bottom of the cake and it's on tin foil. It was completely bare about 3 days ago and has grown that much? I'm noob deluxe and just trying to salvage this lil fucker as a learning experiment. I would like to get at least one cap so I can pull a print off of it, get a case of the short 1/2 pint jars and start all over!
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: PsyDragon]
#20575999 - 09/16/14 04:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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why did you attack your mycel cake with a knife? why did you fruit it before it was 100% done? it doesnt look healthy to me..
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beave928
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I did this as an experiment... To see what it would do! I understand it wasn't what's recommended but a lot of great research came that way. As I previously stated I ordered these jars and they came with a filter. IMPORTANT UPDATE: As I previously stated I pre ordered these jars and they came with a filter. I assumed these would work we'll and they had been tested to ensure proper air exchange... I feel as tho they don't do the job. Part of another experiment consisted with me cleaning sterilizing and removing that filter and replacing with some med grade micro spore tape. I did it to the 2 jars I (accidentally) hit with about 5cc each. They showed zero signs of colonization last night, and today one is getting white stuff! Would FAE stop a jar from colonizing? It seems my half cut cake started to try and re colonize the sub pretty we'll after being introduced to the fresh air? Any thoughts pls
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928] 1
#20580477 - 09/17/14 05:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ahhh, the "great research" AKA finding out for yourself that you should have followed directions the first time rather than repeating the mistakes of others already done.
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: bodhisatta]
#20583564 - 09/18/14 12:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh yeah let's be a smart ass to the new guy... It's not like I posted a start to finish I was already in this mud hole when I began this post.
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20600690 - 09/22/14 11:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm pleased to announce all those who doubted me can suck my mushy Lovin Dig Bick!!! I've gotta cap coming in and boy am I excited!! Pics soon
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20600727 - 09/22/14 11:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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1 cap?
you should have followed advice and had a full canopy!
Even the guy who Threw his cakes in the garbage can had a bigger flush than that 
does that mean the trash can tek should be advocated?
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It's half a cake dipshit? It's also just a last ditch effort to get a nice print so yeah all I need is ONE CAP... It's also the very first cap I've ever produced MYSELF! What kinda bullshit group of guys is this? Show some support for the new guy even if he chooses to try something different.
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20600856 - 09/22/14 12:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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r e s p e c t
try it
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20600859 - 09/22/14 12:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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beave928 said: Show some support for the new guy even if he chooses to try something different.
its nothing different or new, UTSE.
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beave928 said: I'm pleased to announce all those who doubted me can suck my mushy Lovin Dig Bick!!! I've gotta cap coming in and boy am I excited!! Pics soon 
this dick statement doesnt encourage support. proof is in the pudding, you should have followed advice and had a good cake.
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That's true, I re-read that comment and It's makes me sound like a douce bag so my bad.... I was alil excited but I get what your saying "what for"?? We'll after working all day and some thought, I'm still fk'n excited!! It's my first cap bro!! I've got 2 other jars about %60 and I have a proper SGFC already built. Il do those cakes to a T But I honestly haven't seen ANYWERE someone salvaged half of a cake and got it to pin?? Can u refer me to a thread cuz I'm pretty sure I've used the search eng and I didn't find anything. I also am seeing what looks to be another pin so it could have more than one but we'll see? I'm also using a shot gun 2 liter bottle on this half a cake has anyone ever done that? I drilled holes in the bottom and just above my perlite line and on the top cut lid area... I fan and mist it about 5 times a day and it worked.... It freakin worked :-)))
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20605262 - 09/23/14 09:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nobody probably reading this thread anymore but it's pretty interesting I should probably start a new thread! I can now count 3 caps that are looking amazing and 3 pin heads on a lil cluster on the side!
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20610633 - 09/24/14 09:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20610646 - 09/24/14 09:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20610670 - 09/24/14 09:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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beave928 said: But I honestly haven't seen ANYWERE someone salvaged half of a cake and got it to pin?? Can u refer me to a thread cuz I'm pretty sure I've used the search eng and I didn't find anything.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php?terms=cutting+cakes
3240 results. none of which encourages cutting cakes in half!
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Quote:
spacechildo said:
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beave928 said: Show some support for the new guy even if he chooses to try something different.
its nothing different or new, UTSE.
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beave928 said: I'm pleased to announce all those who doubted me can suck my mushy Lovin Dig Bick!!! I've gotta cap coming in and boy am I excited!! Pics soon 
this dick statement doesnt encourage support. proof is in the pudding, you should have followed advice and had a good cake.
Well, im bailin on this thread.
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: pawnzy]
#20610688 - 09/24/14 09:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's correct not once does anyone recommend doing this! But I did and there's my proof it worked for me! So tell me again how I'm not doing anything new or different? Can u show me one single picture of a cut cake fruiting... Sorry bro bail out I can be a jerk off but il openly apaulagize
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20610729 - 09/24/14 10:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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tick the images box and you'll get 1200 results.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3588090#3588090 http://www.sporelab.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4749 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14216479#14216479 (last pic will zoom even if deleted) http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7256814#7256814 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3883269#3883269 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19717282
you really should learn to master the search engine, its so easy and rewarding!
PS; check out the comments under the pics as well, no one recommends doing it.
cubes will grow almost no matter what so its not about getting shrooms its about getting the most of your cakes. this guy threw his cakes in the trash can and they fruited better than what yours sounds to do
practice using the SE by finding user "fahtster"'s results with pf cakes to see what you're missing out on and why we're trying to turn you off from cutting cakes.
try to use other words in search as well, I only searched cutting cakes, brits might say splitting cakes, slicing cakes, breaking subs ++++
Long story short; learn to master the search engine!
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Yeah I found a shit ton of cut cakes and ppl claiming this and that... It's not that special so il shut up now.... There's not much substrate will they grow to full maturity or stay small?
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Re: Half colonized jar! [Re: beave928]
#20611553 - 09/24/14 01:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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read the rules man, not allowed to delete posts
-------------------- It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn
I'm tired do me a favor
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cronicr


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Re: Half colonized jar! *DELETED* [Re: beave928]
#20611556 - 09/24/14 01:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: and on that note i'm locking your thread
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