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Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed?
    #20531856 - 09/07/14 05:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Oh, the suspense!

I recently harvested my hefty ATL #3 reserve after a 6-month incubation period.

The yield was nice and the stones were looking great.

I placed it all to dry in direct sun with a fan pointed right at the stones for a couple of days, after which the stones were nice and dry.

I had to wait another day before putting the stones in a box with a desiccant (as I had another bunch drying away in there) so I've put the stones in a plastic box and stored it in a kitchen drawer for a day.

To my horror I discovered that within a day, the stones were all covered in icky greyish - blueish mold (not the fuzz that you may get when storing fresh sclerotia in the fridge) and that it all smelled funny.

I was terrified that all is lost so I just put it all in my desiccant box (which has an internal fan as well) in hopes that the extra dry conditions will ultimately kill the mold.

So do you think that my precious stones are lost? Can extreme dryness kill the mold? Will it be dangerous to eat any of it regardless of the results?

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: agarmeister]
    #20531864 - 09/07/14 05:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I know exactly the mold u are talking about, after u dry them it will still show on the sclerotia. I have a room mate who gets a bit of my harvest for letting me grow here and refuses to properly store anything and always gets this. He's eaten them after drying with the mold on em and says he barely tripped but didn't get sick or anything either. If it were me I'd toss em. That sucks man, you have my condolences.


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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: Mike1230]
    #20541431 - 09/09/14 02:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:/

So basically it's OK to eat some mold, but the potency of the stones is reduced?

Did anyone else experience this?

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: agarmeister]
    #20541533 - 09/09/14 04:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The biggest risk would b if someone had an allergy or a compromised immune system and didnt know it, they could get pretty ill. It's not worth risking it, especially when the potency is destroyed anyway


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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: Mike1230]
    #20541803 - 09/09/14 06:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

that really blows man! You should invest in one of these cheap dehydrators

http://www.harborfreight.com/http-www-harborfreight-com-5-tier-food-dehydrator-66906-html.html

I use one it works great, good luck!

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: gardenstate]
    #20542147 - 09/09/14 08:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I actually built one, using a computer fan and some desiccant.
It works great however the mold problem happened just before I've put the stones in the box.

What if I pressure-cook the moldy stones in order to kill the mold, would it render the stones inactive?

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: agarmeister]
    #20542262 - 09/09/14 09:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think u will end up getting a new mold in its place pretty quickly cuz they will come out mushy and wet. Also probably will destroy actives but I'm not sure on that one


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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: Mike1230]
    #20542266 - 09/09/14 09:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe extract the actives with high proof liquor?


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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: Mike1230]
    #20542274 - 09/09/14 09:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Maybe extract the actives with high proof liquor?




This^

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: dpomalia]
    #20546217 - 09/10/14 02:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting!

Do you have a working Tek for such extraction?

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: agarmeister]
    #20546332 - 09/10/14 03:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Under the circumstances I doubt what you're seeing is mold. The change in appearance is probably the result of bacteria.


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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: agarmeister]
    #20546552 - 09/10/14 05:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Interesting!

Do you have a working Tek for such extraction?




Extraction


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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: Kizzle]
    #20546947 - 09/10/14 08:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Under the circumstances I doubt what you're seeing is mold. The change in appearance is probably the result of bacteria.




I doubt it. Bacteria usually makes things all wet and gooey, doesn't it?
In this case it was blue-grey mold. I managed to reduce it slightly by placing the stones into my desiccant box, but it didn't disappear completely.

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: Mike1230]
    #20546950 - 09/10/14 08:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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Interesting!

Do you have a working Tek for such extraction?




Extraction




Thanks!
Have you tried this one yourself? I saw that there are many extraction Teks so it's hard to know which one's really working.

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: agarmeister]
    #20547066 - 09/10/14 09:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I haven't done this myself, but have spoken to someone who has and they said it worked without a noticeable loss in potency. The only issues are the fact that the trip will be faster, more intense, but shorter lived, and it's easy to make a mistake in dosage since u are working with concentrates. Always start with a low initial dose then work your way up to your desired dose. A medicine syringe, the ones with no needle, for children should work well for measuring dosage.


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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: agarmeister]
    #20547134 - 09/10/14 09:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Under the circumstances I doubt what you're seeing is mold. The change in appearance is probably the result of bacteria.




I doubt it. Bacteria usually makes things all wet and gooey, doesn't it?
In this case it was blue-grey mold. I managed to reduce it slightly by placing the stones into my desiccant box, but it didn't disappear completely.



Not necessarily on the surface. You would smell them though.


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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: Kizzle]
    #20547167 - 09/10/14 09:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

pics?

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: agarmeister]
    #20547306 - 09/10/14 10:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

A blue grey mold?

I would eat it if you put it in a dehydrator on the highest setting. That will cook it out with hot dry out. 160 F would be preferable.

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: rigidtiger]
    #20564385 - 09/14/14 01:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I ate about 5g of the dried stones, it was disgusting (as stones are for me) but I didn't get sick. It had however a very weak effect.

I will probably try to extract whatever Psilocybin left in there.

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: agarmeister]
    #20566178 - 09/14/14 12:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It seems it is the same as what my room mate dealt with by your description. He said when he had that happen he would nearly double his dose to get the desired effect. Still, even tho neither of u guys got sick it can't be good to eat that stuff. I'd def either try to extract the actives or just pitch em. That sucks man, sorry to hear about this


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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: Mike1230]
    #20573663 - 09/16/14 12:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, I agree, it's not worth the risk.

Now it's all ground to dust and covered with 97% Ethanol. Let's see what happens!

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: agarmeister]
    #20574035 - 09/16/14 05:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes, I agree, it's not worth the risk.

Now it's all ground to dust and covered with 97% Ethanol. Let's see what happens!




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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: pawnzy]
    #20574189 - 09/16/14 07:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

what's wrong with boiling water? dont use alcohol for a water soluble substance! :wink:

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: spacechildo]
    #20574237 - 09/16/14 07:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Oh man, this is SO confusing.. I've been hearing so many different opinions.

The Teks that are common here for extraction all mention alcohol of varying purity.

Have you done any extractions using water only?

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: agarmeister]
    #20574293 - 09/16/14 08:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

boil water, add to cup of shrooms, wait 10-20 mins, voila.
the British calls it "tea" :tongue2:

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: spacechildo]
    #20574326 - 09/16/14 08:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Do you just drink the liquid?
What do you do with the "mushroom sludge"?
Doesn't it taste awful?

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: agarmeister]
    #20574331 - 09/16/14 08:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

add some drink flavour cristals

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: agarmeister]
    #20574344 - 09/16/14 08:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you just drink the liquid?
What do you do with the "mushroom sludge"?
Doesn't it taste awful?




I like mushroom tea better than earl grey tea :shrug:
and yes I drink it.
you dont need alcohol, the search engine is riddled with bad info.
tick the TC box and no older than 2-3-4 yrs depending on what info you want/get.

the "lemon tek" is simply adding a few drops of lemon juice to your tea,
I've even heard some use ginger root against the nausea.

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: spacechildo]
    #20574400 - 09/16/14 08:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ginger root seems like a good idea. It can be very warming.

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: Sockadin]
    #20574415 - 09/16/14 08:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Does it also work with dry sclerotia?

Do you drink the tea along with all the mushroom material or do you filter it out?

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: agarmeister]
    #20574436 - 09/16/14 09:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I dont filter it, but I avoid drinking the wet mushroom mush in the bottom of the cup.
you can just drink everything but it sorta defeats 1 purpose of making the tea (not having to eat mushrooms)
tea comes on faster.

I cant remember who did it but there is some threads where a guy stores this tea + orange juice or something like that in bottles in his fridge.

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: spacechildo]
    #20574439 - 09/16/14 09:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Is it efficient? I mean, if you put in, say 3g of dried cubes, do you get a decent experience similar to eating it?

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    #20574458 - 09/16/14 09:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:bigyesnod:

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    #20574462 - 09/16/14 09:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:grin::thumbup:

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: agarmeister]
    #20575976 - 09/16/14 04:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I would go thru with the extraction dude. I wouldn't want to drink tea made from moldy fruits


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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: Mike1230]
    #20578271 - 09/17/14 04:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, with the current moldy stuff I'm def. going for extraction.
I was asking about the tea for future ventures.

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: agarmeister]
    #20578575 - 09/17/14 07:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

use boiling water to extract, not alcohol :super:

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: spacechildo]
    #20578596 - 09/17/14 08:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks, but I already soaked it all with alcohol. anything I can do to save it? should I just add water to the alcohol?

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: agarmeister]
    #20578609 - 09/17/14 08:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

nah, its just a waste of good alcohol. just follow your tek for now
but next time dont put anything but cracker dry fruits in a closed container as you've learned the hard way :sad:

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: spacechildo]
    #20578627 - 09/17/14 08:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If u boil moldy mushrooms all u have is tea with mold in it. At least with an alcohol extraction u are getting mostly only actives without the mold. I don't know if u read the whole thread spacechildo but OP has some sclerotia with mold growing from them. I don't think tea is a safe approach to this. Sure u kill the mold by boiling but u are still left with dead mold which can trigger allergies and probably cause all sorts of bad shit. I agree tea is better approach for normal, healthy, properly dried fruits but that is not the case here.


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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: Mike1230]
    #20578849 - 09/17/14 09:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

and what you think alcohol's gonna do about it that hot water cant?

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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: spacechildo]
    #20579310 - 09/17/14 11:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

When u extract with alcohol u are extracting certain compounds that the solvent will take with it and leaving everything else behind. The alcohol is then evaporated off and only actives and other alcohol soluble compounds are left in your final product. This may still leave a negligible amount of some part of the mold but most of everything is left behind. With tea u are using water as the solvent and drinking everything it pulls with it including allergens and other potentially harmful things. At least after evaporation of the alcohol u are left with a much cleaner product.


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Re: Is my whole yield of sclerotia destroyed? [Re: Mike1230]
    #20579350 - 09/17/14 12:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:justno:

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