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syrian rue
    #2051783 - 10/28/03 10:36 PM (14 years, 30 days ago)

A friend and a shroomerite is sending me some syrian rue and suggests i take it a little while before eating some mushrooms. He is sendin 3 capsules containing 3 grams in all. I was wondering if you guys have had any good/bad experiences using MAOIs to increase strength and length of a trip? Later.


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Re: syrian rue [Re: RespectTheFungus]
    #2051817 - 10/28/03 10:47 PM (14 years, 30 days ago)

I had a great experience with 2g's of shrooms and 3g's of syrian rue, very intense trip with a clean come up and nice visuals. I recommend the combination, just be sure to watch what you eat


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Re: syrian rue [Re: jrod38182]
    #2051848 - 10/28/03 10:54 PM (14 years, 30 days ago)

I had a difficult yet rewarding experience with my combo. I consumed 2 grams of tea, waited for about 3 minutes, then I ate a 1 gram chocolate and drank approx a gram worth of tea. If it is possible, I feel that I might have been haveing OEV 10 hours past consuming the above mentioned things. I then basically passed out, for it was quite a journey.

Be prepaired for a possibly long trip.


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Re: syrian rue [Re: caolite]
    #2051923 - 10/28/03 11:15 PM (14 years, 30 days ago)

Wow so this stuff really extends the length of a trip huh? I'm just a tiny bit wary of taking it because i love the shroom experience so much i wouldnt want anything to taint it. But if you guys are saying it just gives you more for your shrooms, then i think ill do it.


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Re: syrian rue [Re: RespectTheFungus]
    #2051979 - 10/28/03 11:32 PM (14 years, 30 days ago)

Read up on maoi interactions if you do though, they can be very dangerous if not used properly.


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Re: syrian rue [Re: John]
    #2051999 - 10/28/03 11:37 PM (14 years, 30 days ago)

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jtryptamine said:
Read up on maoi interactions if you do though, they can be very dangerous if not used properly.




How dangerous are they really? Ive heard people say that food interaction/tyramine overdose is very unlikely if your just snacking and that its only an *advised* precaution, unlikely to result in anything.

Are there any recorded deaths or tyramine OD's?


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Re: syrian rue [Re: John]
    #2052006 - 10/28/03 11:40 PM (14 years, 30 days ago)

i think i read somewhere that harmaline only effects maoi-a enzymes, and not maoi-b enzymes. and maoi-b enzymes are the ones responsible for for breaking down any food byproduct, and maoi-a was strictly for indole brain metabolites, any tryptamine type substance. that would make harmaline safer than we thought, but dont quote me on any of this since i cant remember where i read it, just thought i would bring it up.


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Re: syrian rue [Re: Infrared]
    #2052010 - 10/28/03 11:41 PM (14 years, 30 days ago)

You are saying it could be dangerous with other substances right? but lots of people do it with shrooms and enjoy better trips is this correct?


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Re: syrian rue [Re: Infrared]
    #2052012 - 10/28/03 11:43 PM (14 years, 30 days ago)

Ive read this too....adding to my suspicion.

It seems there's alot of warnings that go around....one of those things that a couple reliable people said and spiraled through the culture as fact. Although i could be completely wrong. This seems like a good thread to try and piece together a difinitive answer though....through our collective readings and experiences.


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Re: syrian rue [Re: RespectTheFungus]
    #2052015 - 10/28/03 11:44 PM (14 years, 30 days ago)

im saying that it would make it safe to eat foods while on it, because maoi-b function wouldnt be affected. it would still potentiate any trptamine, whether thats good its up to you. like i said i read this somewhere im sure of it, i just cant recall exactly where.


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Re: syrian rue [Re: PDU]
    #2052022 - 10/28/03 11:46 PM (14 years, 29 days ago)

I was talking about watching out for bad drug combinations rather than food, like these...

All SSRIs (prozac, zoloft, and several other anti-depressants)
SSRIs block the reuptake of serotonin in the brain. Because MAOIs inhibit the breakdown of serotonin, the combination of MAOIs and SSRIs can lead to dangerously high levels of serotonin in the brain (serotonin syndrome). Symptoms of serotonin syndrome include nausea, vomiting, blackouts, memory loss, increased blood pressure and increased heart rate.
Demerol
Cold preparations (tablets, capsules, or liquids such as Comtrex)
Cough medications containing decongestants, Dextromethorphan (DXM)1, or Demerol
Sinus medications
Nose drops or nasal sprays
Nasal decongestants
Hay fever medications
Diet pills
Amphetamines --- speed
MDMA --- Ecstasy
MDE, MDA, and other "MD" compounds
Cocaine --- crack

MAOIs can and will dramatically increase the effects of some of these drugs to the point of becoming dangerous.


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Re: syrian rue [Re: RespectTheFungus]
    #2052048 - 10/28/03 11:56 PM (14 years, 29 days ago)

I felt so, I wonder though, is it possible to trip longer than 6 hours from mushrooms, even with maoi, I feel I did, but I am unsure if it would just make it stronger. Does anyone know the science behind this? Was it possible for me to have tripped for 10 hours? :confused:


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Re: syrian rue [Re: PDU]
    #2052052 - 10/28/03 11:58 PM (14 years, 29 days ago)

I think this is where i read it PDU, it makes it sound like Harmaline(maoi-a) is rather safe. but i agree with Jtryp any other pharmaceutical interaction is likely to cause way more trouble than a tyramine contaning food.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/maois/maois_info7.shtml



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Re: syrian rue [Re: Infrared]
    #2052122 - 10/29/03 12:16 AM (14 years, 29 days ago)

Aha, and just before i linked back here...i read that article and was just about to post it.

Im glad to hear that you both feel pharmaceutical interactions to be much greater occurance than with food.

It seems quite safe to eat most things in moderation, which definately isnt the prevailing message ive seen portrayed.


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Re: syrian rue [Re: PDU]
    #2052569 - 10/29/03 02:32 AM (14 years, 29 days ago)

I had eaten a pizza, and brownies, etc, one day after using syrian rue. I experienced little to no side effects from it. Just to add to the interactions talk ;D.


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Re: syrian rue [Re: caolite]
    #2052680 - 10/29/03 03:20 AM (14 years, 29 days ago)

Yeah, thats not really relevant though because the interaction period is only 12 hours with rue anyways.


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Re: syrian rue [Re: PDU]
    #2052954 - 10/29/03 06:23 AM (14 years, 29 days ago)

Er I didn't mean it like that.... I mean one day when I used Rue, a few hours later (maybe 1 or 2) I had eaten those things without reaction. LOL


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Re: syrian rue [Re: caolite]
    #2053164 - 10/29/03 10:27 AM (14 years, 29 days ago)

That article covered the point that I was thinking about bringing up. The fact that Harmala alkaloids are short term reversible MOAI's makes them a safer choice for tryptamine/MOAI combinations for most people. Even knowing this, though, I still, am very cautious when experimenting in this area. I have enough Syrian Rue to last a lifetime at the rate that I am using it.


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Re: syrian rue [Re: Ekstaza]
    #2053336 - 10/29/03 12:22 PM (14 years, 29 days ago)

Ekstaza would you say you enjoy the Syrian rue/Mushroom combination? I just want to make a educated decision so my Halloween night will be spectacular =D.


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Re: syrian rue [Re: RespectTheFungus]
    #2053345 - 10/29/03 12:27 PM (14 years, 29 days ago)

My experiences with syrian rue and shrooms together are limited, but I did enjoy the experiences that I have had.

P.S. Where did that line in your sig come from? I know that I've seen it before.


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