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Urge Congress to Stop Racial Profiling
    #2051265 - 10/28/03 08:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

From: Matt Howes, National Internet Organizer, ACLU
To: ACLU Action Network Members
Date: October 28, 2003

Hundreds of thousands of people have been stopped by police simply
because of their color, religion or national origin.

Stopping or interrogating someone simply based on the color of their
skin, religion or ethnicity not only violates the 14th Amendment, it also
detracts law enforcement resources from the detection of real threats.
It furthermore builds a wall of distrust between minority communities
and police departments.

New legislation soon to be introduced in Congress would address this
practice and ensure people are not unlawfully singled out because of
their skin color, religion or ethnicity.

Take Action! Urge your Members of Congress to support legislation that
would end this unconstitutional practice.

Click here for more information and to send a free fax to your Members
of Congress:

http://www.aclu.org/PolicePractices/PolicePractices.cfm?ID=9967&c=118


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Re: Urge Congress to Stop Racial Profiling [Re: silversoul7]
    #2060100 - 10/31/03 10:56 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

But, if non-whites commit more crimes than whites, isn't that a logical thing to do?

Do you think that 95 year old white grandmothers should be searched as throughly at the airport as Mohammed Watta, the 25 yaer old "Student" from Syria?


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Re: Urge Congress to Stop Racial Profiling [Re: lysergic]
    #2060288 - 10/31/03 12:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry, but, if you think that way, I would say your a racist.

Racisim is the thing of the past...

Are you understanding the point of the article? How do you really know that non-whites are commiting more crimes. They might be ARRESTED more for crimes...but actually commiting is a different story.

Everyone should take a People of color class at their local college. It really opens your eyes up.



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Re: Urge Congress to Stop Racial Profiling [Re: silversoul7]
    #2060359 - 10/31/03 01:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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silversoul7 said:
Take Action! Urge your Members of Congress to support legislation that would end this unconstitutional practice.





It's fucked up that we need to pass laws to reinforce the constitution.
I find it kind of redundant.


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Re: Urge Congress to Stop Racial Profiling [Re: angryshroom]
    #2061374 - 10/31/03 07:51 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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lysergic said:
Do you think that 95 year old white grandmothers should be searched as throughly at the airport as Mohammed Watta, the 25 yaer old "Student" from Syria?




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angryshroom replied:
Sorry, but, if you think that way, I would say your a racist.



So, if a person is rational, he is a racist?

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Racisim is the thing of the past...



Not as long as there is affirmative action, blacks attacking whites because of their skin color and Arabs blowing up innocent women and children because they happen to be Jewish (feel free to switch the victims and perpetrators around so you can get your mind around the concept).

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How do you really know that non-whites are commiting more crimes. They might be ARRESTED more for crimes...but actually commiting is a different story.



Compare crime statistics in non-white neighborhoods with white neighborhoods. Do you honestly think that whites are travelling to Hispanic and Black neighborhoods to commit crimes? Or would it be more realistic to say that Hispanics and Blacks victimize their own more often than whites?

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Everyone should take a People of color class at their local college. It really opens your eyes up.



Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha . You should get out of college and spend some time in the REAL WORLD.


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Re: Urge Congress to Stop Racial Profiling [Re: lysergic]
    #2061401 - 10/31/03 08:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

lysergic said:
But, if non-whites commit more crimes than whites, isn't that a logical thing to do?

Do you think that 95 year old white grandmothers should be searched as throughly at the airport as Mohammed Watta, the 25 yaer old "Student" from Syria?




I don't know how many times I heard people try to compare an old white lady to a twenty something Arab male - which is ruling out non-Arabs as terrorists - racist. I doubt when Richard Reid, a Jamaican-Briton with very long hair had any troubles going through customs.


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Re: Urge Congress to Stop Racial Profiling [Re: Zahid]
    #2061495 - 10/31/03 08:48 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe if you could show that elderly grand-folk have commited acts o fterrorism, that last point would have made sense.

It's funny how people are against "profiling", because blacks don't commit "more" crimes than whites, yet the reason they use fo rblacks commiting more crimes, is because they are poor. Which way is it? (Note: That wasn't directed at Zaphid)

Zaphed - Lets say that you were a Hamas freedom fighter, and you were told that today, an infiltrator was going to come blow up your Peaceful bomb factory. The first five people you saw were swarthy arab looking people, the sixth, was light skinned with dark black hair. No profiling here Mohammed, who would ya thinkg it might be?


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Re: Urge Congress to Stop Racial Profiling [Re: lysergic]
    #2061537 - 10/31/03 09:07 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Get my name right, ingrate.

The problem with "Post-9/11" racial profiling (which seems to get all entwined with 'generational profiling') is that it excludes non-Arabs as possible terrorist suspects; it plays on the negative stereotype of Arabs. Of course an old white woman is probably not a terrorist - just as an old Arab women is also an unlikely terrorist operative. I'm surprised people who advocate racial profiling actually use that term.


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Re: Urge Congress to Stop Racial Profiling [Re: Zahid]
    #2061545 - 10/31/03 09:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The word "ingrate" would only be relevant if there was a reason he should be gratefull towards you.

What have you ever done for him?


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Re: Urge Congress to Stop Racial Profiling [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2061558 - 10/31/03 09:17 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

He's generally ungrateful as a white westerner, that is why I always thought of him as an ingrate - something that ostentatious racists like lysergic take for granted.


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Re: Urge Congress to Stop Racial Profiling [Re: Zahid]
    #2061559 - 10/31/03 09:17 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

In general, old people are less likely to commit violent acts. Young men, regardless of race, tend to be the most violent, dangerous people in society.


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Re: Urge Congress to Stop Racial Profiling [Re: Zahid]
    #2061564 - 10/31/03 09:20 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Who should white westerners be grateful to and for what?


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Re: Urge Congress to Stop Racial Profiling [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2061571 - 10/31/03 09:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

:lol:

I don't know, what are you grateful for (not to)? We're so well-off in the west we have a Thanks giving day.


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Re: Urge Congress to Stop Racial Profiling [Re: Zahid]
    #2061574 - 10/31/03 09:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Zahid writes:

He's generally ungrateful as a white westerner...

Hmmm. Racial profiling. Or racial stereotyping, perhaps.

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Re: Urge Congress to Stop Racial Profiling [Re: Zahid]
    #2061578 - 10/31/03 09:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Isn't thanksgiving supposed to be a day for giving thanks to God?

I wonder when the ACLU will come after government recognition of religious holidays.

With the current administration, I guessI'm thankful for serendipity.


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Re: Urge Congress to Stop Racial Profiling [Re: Phred]
    #2061585 - 10/31/03 09:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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pinksharkmark said:
Zahid writes:

He's generally ungrateful as a white westerner...

Hmmm. Racial profiling. Or racial stereotyping, perhaps.

pinky




Ouch, the tables have turned on me! Well crafted pinky. It likely means something to be a white westerner, then again, what do I know. I'm just a young, white man (sarcasm). Maybe I'm just used to having a silver spoon in my mouth.


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Re: Urge Congress to Stop Racial Profiling [Re: Zahid]
    #2061588 - 10/31/03 09:30 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

How do you keep yours clean? Mine gets all tarnished from being in my mouth all the time.


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Re: Urge Congress to Stop Racial Profiling [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2061591 - 10/31/03 09:30 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

It has never occured to me that Thanksgiving is a religious holiday, if it is. I have never seen that much religious tone in the holiday - and even if it is, the general idea of it is being thankful for what we have in worldly terms.


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Re: Urge Congress to Stop Racial Profiling [Re: Evolving]
    #2062714 - 11/01/03 03:02 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha . You should get out of college and spend some time in the REAL WORLD.




What, so closed you couldn't do it? First of all, im not in college, second of all its a great way to learn FACTS about our fucking REAL WORLD. Not some skewed media based version.

Our society here in America is racist. Our entire government is run by white people.

What the funny thing is, is that white people cannot understand the point of view of a black/hispanic person. Why? Because you are not one of them.


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Re: Urge Congress to Stop Racial Profiling [Re: angryshroom]
    #2062864 - 11/01/03 04:25 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

As if the college view isn't skewed? :rolleyes: 


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