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Shiitake, best tek for beginners
    #19925557 - 05/01/14 06:31 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I am just about to buy some Shitake spawn.

I've grown on all media except wood which im presently trialling with psi cyans. 

What Tek would you recommend that's the easiest for success both indoor and out.

How would I keep it alive for future grows spawn/cloning/ spores/agar/LC/ slant?

I just need a gentle prod in the right direction and then I can decipher good info from bad on my own.

Thanks for you time


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Re: Shiitake best trek for beginners [Re: Edmunter]
    #19925829 - 05/01/14 09:03 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

sterilized and hydrated hardwood pellets enriched to 5 percent with bran is the easiest way.  Make sure you use a hi efficiency filter patch bag.  The biggest mistake folks make with shiitake is opening the bag too soon.  let it get 90-100 percent brown.  If you want to keep it going for a while buy a grain master or start from a petri plate or slant.  from grain master you can expand a bunch and do many grows from one jar.


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Re: Shiitake best trek for beginners [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #19925857 - 05/01/14 09:14 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

So I could put some spawn in a master jar and keep that till I want to use it again.  How to store and how long is the shelf life?

Is there a Tek on here I can follow for 'sterilized and hydrated hardwood pellets enriched to 5 percent with bran'

Im so new to wood im out of my comfort zone....


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Re: Shiitake best trek for beginners [Re: Edmunter] * 2
    #19925924 - 05/01/14 09:35 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I will make you one up now:

10 pounds dry hardwood pellets

1/2 pound of bran (available at health food store wheat is cheapest but NOT GERM, BRAN!)

2 oz of gypsum

Hydrate to carrying cappacity.  note:  the pellets will expand to almost three times their volume when hydrated.  You will be adding almost equal parts water and pellets by WEIGHT but go slow to get the hydration just right.  JUST RIGHT is:  you grab a handful of the hydrated sawdust and squeeze it as hard as you can and ONE DROP of water will come out or almost come out.  Too wet = fail.  best to add gypsum to water, hydrate the pellets, then mix in the bran and adjust the moisture as needed. 

Divy up into Unicorn 3-T Hi efficiency filter bags or equivilent.  We use the 3-t bags and fill to 5.5 pounds.  CHEAP FILTER BAGS WITH CHEAP FILTERS SUCK FOR SHIITAKE CUZ IT SITS IN THE BAG FOR 2-3 months. prone to failure.

sterilize the bags with steam or in a pc.  STeam takes about 6-8 hours.  PC at 15 psi takes two-three 

Knock up at a rate of approx one cup of spawn per 5.5 pound bag. 

shake them and leave them be for 2-3 months until they are completely brown and have popcorned but before actual mushrooms begin to grow.  longer better than shorter.

crack the bags completely off, rinse in cold water, spank them and put them in 90 percent humidity FC.  BAM!  they fruit very quickly. 
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Re: Shiitake best trek for beginners [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #19926064 - 05/01/14 10:18 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you so much, im definitely going to do this.:thumbup:

While im doing this can I colonise some dowels, drill and smash them into an old log and leave it outside?  Is it that easy?


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Re: Shiitake best trek for beginners [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #19926102 - 05/01/14 10:33 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Nice write-up AV! should go in some mushroom growers cookbook. So that is about 5% supplementation and any higher you start to see mutants? i really haven't supplemented anything but i am curious.

my method is pasteurizing in gallon zip locs.
I mix 5 gallons of sawdust with enough water to reach field capacity. mix with 5 gallons of hydrated wood chips. stuff them into 1 gallon zip locs and stack them carefully into a cooler, making sure steam can travel around the bags by using spacers (jar lids). bring the temp in the center of the bags to 140 using steam - usually takes an hour and the cooler will hold the temp for the next 90 minutes (and more).

i use 400g of spawn per bag which is ~18-24% of the total weight of each bag.

I like this method because i can do more bags easier with only one autoclave. I spend my time sterilizing grains/making spawn instead of supplemented substrate bags.



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Re: Shiitake best trek for beginners [Re: Edmunter]
    #19926122 - 05/01/14 10:39 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Edmunter said:
Thank you so much, im definitely going to do this.:thumbup:

While im doing this can I colonise some dowels, drill and smash them into an old log and leave it outside?  Is it that easy?



^^ Yes you can.

Don't use an old log though, use a healthy fresh log. Preferably no fresher than 2 weeks and up to six months (or more), depending how it was stored.


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Re: Shiitake best trek for beginners [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #19926468 - 05/01/14 12:16 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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I will make you one up now:

10 pounds dry hardwood pellets

1/2 pound of bran (available at health food store wheat is cheapest but NOT GERM, BRAN!)

2 oz of gypsum

Hydrate to carrying cappacity.  note:  the pellets will expand to almost three times their volume when hydrated.  You will be adding almost equal parts water and pellets by WEIGHT but go slow to get the hydration just right.  JUST RIGHT is:  you grab a handful of the hydrated sawdust and squeeze it as hard as you can and ONE DROP of water will come out or almost come out.  Too wet = fail.  best to add gypsum to water, hydrate the pellets, then mix in the bran and adjust the moisture as needed. 

Divy up into Unicorn 3-T Hi efficiency filter bags or equivilent.  We use the 3-t bags and fill to 5.5 pounds.  CHEAP FILTER BAGS WITH CHEAP FILTERS SUCK FOR SHIITAKE CUZ IT SITS IN THE BAG FOR 2-3 months. prone to failure.

sterilize the bags with steam or in a pc.  STeam takes about 6-8 hours.  PC at 15 psi takes two-three 

Knock up at a rate of approx one cup of spawn per 5.5 pound bag. 

shake them and leave them be for 2-3 months until they are completely brown and have popcorned but before actual mushrooms begin to grow.  longer better than shorter.

crack the bags completely off, rinse in cold water, spank them and put them in 90 percent humidity FC.  BAM!  they fruit very quickly. 
more info: click on the link below.




I was thinking of doing a smaller grow or is it better to go large!!!!


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Re: Shiitake best trek for beginners [Re: deadmandave]
    #19926579 - 05/01/14 12:44 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

dave, do you put holes in the gallon ziplocks, or how do you allow for GE without a filter patch?


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Re: Shiitake best trek for beginners [Re: Edmunter] * 1
    #19926599 - 05/01/14 12:50 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Edmunter said:
Quote:

Amanita virosa said:
I will make you one up now:

10 pounds dry hardwood pellets

1/2 pound of bran (available at health food store wheat is cheapest but NOT GERM, BRAN!)

2 oz of gypsum

Hydrate to carrying cappacity.  note:  the pellets will expand to almost three times their volume when hydrated.  You will be adding almost equal parts water and pellets by WEIGHT but go slow to get the hydration just right.  JUST RIGHT is:  you grab a handful of the hydrated sawdust and squeeze it as hard as you can and ONE DROP of water will come out or almost come out.  Too wet = fail.  best to add gypsum to water, hydrate the pellets, then mix in the bran and adjust the moisture as needed. 

Divy up into Unicorn 3-T Hi efficiency filter bags or equivilent.  We use the 3-t bags and fill to 5.5 pounds.  CHEAP FILTER BAGS WITH CHEAP FILTERS SUCK FOR SHIITAKE CUZ IT SITS IN THE BAG FOR 2-3 months. prone to failure.

sterilize the bags with steam or in a pc.  STeam takes about 6-8 hours.  PC at 15 psi takes two-three 

Knock up at a rate of approx one cup of spawn per 5.5 pound bag. 

shake them and leave them be for 2-3 months until they are completely brown and have popcorned but before actual mushrooms begin to grow.  longer better than shorter.

crack the bags completely off, rinse in cold water, spank them and put them in 90 percent humidity FC.  BAM!  they fruit very quickly. 
more info: click on the link below.




I was thinking of doing a smaller grow or is it better to go large!!!!




Small is fine. Just use the same ratios.  You can also leave the bran out all to gether and just pasturize the pellets.  @deadmandave. Yes more than five percent makes for deformed mushrooms in this species.


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Re: Shiitake best trek for beginners [Re: nasyn]
    #19927599 - 05/01/14 04:24 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

nasyn, i poke 6 holes in each bag with my scalpel. I let them colonize in my dirty basement and dont have any problems with contamination.


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Re: Shiitake best trek for beginners [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #19929887 - 05/01/14 11:34 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Amanita virosa said:
I will make you one up now:

10 pounds dry hardwood pellets

1/2 pound of bran (available at health food store wheat is cheapest but NOT GERM, BRAN!)

2 oz of gypsum

Hydrate to carrying cappacity.  note:  the pellets will expand to almost three times their volume when hydrated.  You will be adding almost equal parts water and pellets by WEIGHT but go slow to get the hydration just right.  JUST RIGHT is:  you grab a handful of the hydrated sawdust and squeeze it as hard as you can and ONE DROP of water will come out or almost come out.  Too wet = fail.  best to add gypsum to water, hydrate the pellets, then mix in the bran and adjust the moisture as needed. 

Divy up into Unicorn 3-T Hi efficiency filter bags or equivilent.  We use the 3-t bags and fill to 5.5 pounds.  CHEAP FILTER BAGS WITH CHEAP FILTERS SUCK FOR SHIITAKE CUZ IT SITS IN THE BAG FOR 2-3 months. prone to failure.

sterilize the bags with steam or in a pc.  STeam takes about 6-8 hours.  PC at 15 psi takes two-three 

Knock up at a rate of approx one cup of spawn per 5.5 pound bag. 

shake them and leave them be for 2-3 months until they are completely brown and have popcorned but before actual mushrooms begin to grow.  longer better than shorter.

crack the bags completely off, rinse in cold water, spank them and put them in 90 percent humidity FC.  BAM!  they fruit very quickly. 
more info: click on the link below.




I am copying and pasting this, very concise, Thanks AV,


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Re: Shiitake best trek for beginners [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #19935457 - 05/03/14 09:39 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Hi!
Long time lurker, and just now starting to post. This is a great write up and exactly what I need.

I have a question, if that's ok.
I think I've read that shittake likes to colonize in 65-75 degrees - does that sound right for the grow bags?

I've got several jars of shiitake-colonized bird seed and am definitely going to follow this tek within the next couple days :laugh:


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Re: Shiitake best trek for beginners [Re: eskinz]
    #19935942 - 05/03/14 12:48 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

To be honest Ive been reading up and searching for Teks.  If when you get time you could show a full write up with picture and everything I think it would really help us noobs.    Thanks again.


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Re: Shiitake best trek for beginners [Re: Edmunter]
    #19991156 - 05/15/14 09:05 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

If you aren't supplementing the blocks then there can't be an easier way than this.


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Re: Shiitake best trek for beginners [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #20502920 - 08/31/14 06:02 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks Aminata Virosa. I will be trying out your technique soon.


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Re: Shiitake best trek for beginners [Re: mycopathy]
    #20503023 - 08/31/14 06:34 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

If you don't supplement can you get away with more than a 5% spawn rate say double it to 10% to make up for the lack of bran while still using pasteurized sawdust instead of sterilized?


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Re: Shiitake best trek for beginners [Re: MrGiraffe]
    #20503140 - 08/31/14 07:13 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, that's correct, and better because the bag will colonice faster. More inoc points.


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Re: Shiitake best trek for beginners [Re: RogueTrippeR]
    #20504761 - 09/01/14 05:39 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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If you aren't supplementing the blocks then there can't be an easier way than this.



No doubt, its what I use but you have to find the correct ratio of water to pellets for your type of pellets but once you do nothing can beat it imo. Why pc when I can use that time and make waaaaay more bags to fill in the yield I would have gotten wasting hours pcing bags.


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