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kakashi68
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Re: Acne that is ruining my life. [Re: NailTheSnail]
#20489163 - 08/28/14 01:58 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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*Vegan diet is extremely unhealthy long term, if you can get even 100 grams of animal protein a week, that would be great.
*8-10 cups of water a day, preferably RO filtered and remineralized, but tap will do in a pinch.
*Absolutely no caffeine, cigarettes or stimulants of any kind.
*Cut out all fruits for now and start reintroducing very slowly after clearing up (fruits that we get nowadays are pretty much sugar and water, with some scarce traces of nutrients)
*Eat mainly veggies and healthy fats (google bulletproof diet - helped me quite a lot)
*Dont overdo it with exercise until you clear up. 4x a week can be a bit much, depending on the intensity. Consider that stress is cumulative from all areas of life (physical, financial and work, relationships, peer judgement, etc.)
*Speaking of fitness, get your posture right (spine and pelvis alignment; narrow stance, toes pointing forward, don't be flatfooted; apply power from hips when walking). I'm not sure about actual physical implications of this on acne, but it sure will help you feel better about yourself, and that can translate into a drop in everyday stress.
*Do not ever touch your face with soaps of any kind. Just a thorough warm water wash once in the morning and night, and maybe once or twice during the day if you REALLY need it. This also means no BP, acids or moisturizers, I put absolutely nothing on my face and it feels fucking great. After cysts are gone you can try exfoliating once a week with pure glycerin soap and something like a washcloth (shaving brush does wonders for me, but could be a bit harsh)
Note, ive tried just about everything except accutane (never touch that shit no matter how much people try to push it on you) and there is really no practical solution other than getting your diet and fitness straight. Not in my experience anyway.
Edit: just reread your post and saw the acnedotorg regimen. I would toss that garbage out of the window as fast as i can if i were you.
I gotta be honest man, I have been natural for like half a year it didn't support my case. I went dairy free but the cysts stayed there aswell. Chicken was all I could eat without me feeling like shit afterwards. I box twice a week for a hour and a half and then might go for a skate twice a week or a run or bike ride.
I am gonna try my regimen because I have been off these sorts of treatments for over a year and I feel this could be my last chance.
I do not agree that meat is needed in my diet. Ganoderma has all the essential vitamins I need I believe. I have chia seeds in my water 5-7 times a week aswell.
When I took the step to full vegan I stopped having breakouts for a while. Meat caused it in my opinion but thank you for your advice.
Oh I have absolutely no caffiene or alcohol or nicotine Cheers
Please dont be vegan you are such a burden on everyone. Its also unhealthy and your not meant to eat like that. Vegan food is so fucking boring, maybe if you ate some ice cream or some nice juicy steaks with a good sauce you might enjoy life a bit more.
Vegans fucking piss me off because whenever we have a family meal they always cant have anything, this even applies to fucking snacks where they cant eat anything but a fucking boring ass salad.
Tell me would you take antivenom for a snake bite? Or would you suffer and die because that snake was "abused by humans"
And if you live in a modern society with good health care go see a doctor about it and they should at least try to fix you up or send you to a dermatologist. If you live in an archaic society that cares more about war than its own people.
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Edited by kakashi68 (08/28/14 02:00 PM)
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Re: Acne that is ruining my life. [Re: kakashi68]
#20489212 - 08/28/14 02:08 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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don't be a fucking vegan then, I don't wanna hear your petty shit.
If I am going to dinner with someone I bring a plate because I want to eat. Actually where I live most people are open minded about new diets so it is no problem. I wouldn't bag on you for eating cow jizz, so keep it too yourself.
If I see my friends I bring food for me. the only time I don't bring food is when I am going to my grandparents.
You are not meant to eat like that? WTF.
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Re: Acne that is ruining my life. [Re: kakashi68] 1
#20489233 - 08/28/14 02:13 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, at least consider what i said about fruits. Also, its not enough to just go dairy free, you would need to eliminate most if not all inflammatory factors (like gluten, dairy, sugar and stimulants), otherwise you wont see much improvement. As for the veganism, like i said, its unhealthy long term. You saw improvement initially because it helped you detox from all that excess protein in your body and possibly undigested meat gunking up your intestines. Also, it's much more than just vitamins that you need, and plant based aminoacids are often not as bioavailable (if at all) as those sourced from meats. I highly suggest you look into why veganism is unhealthy.
PS. Chicken is probably the worst meat to go about. Better try some grass fed beef and fish. Without going over 100g/week or so.
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Re: Acne that is ruining my life. [Re: NailTheSnail] 2
#20489244 - 08/28/14 02:15 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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NailTheSnail said: don't be a fucking vegan then, I don't wanna hear your petty shit.
If I am going to dinner with someone I bring a plate because I want to eat. Actually where I live most people are open minded about new diets so it is no problem. I wouldn't bag on you for eating cow jizz, so keep it too yourself.
If I see my friends I bring food for me. the only time I don't bring food is when I am going to my grandparents.
You are not meant to eat like that? WTF.

Like you be a vegatarian, I wont blame you for that, but vegan is so fucking extreme and stupid, unhealth, attention seeking. I am an open minded person when it comes to how someone treats themselves but when it starts to effect others and you become a burden on everyone else its starts to become wrong.
And yes humans are not meant to be vegan. Its unhealthy, you dont get the right amount of just about anything. Its not a balanced diet and youll probably die sooner.
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Re: Acne that is ruining my life. [Re: dangan]
#20489252 - 08/28/14 02:17 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol, "vegans piss me off" is a pretty weak and ignorant argument. It's unhealthy, sure, but get your elitist bullshit elsewhere please. Plus, "go and see a doctor about it" is pretty dumb as well. Doctors can hardly help with anything these days, aside from emergency care.
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Re: Acne that is ruining my life. [Re: dangan] 1
#20489265 - 08/28/14 02:20 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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dangan said: Lol, "vegans piss me off" is a pretty weak and ignorant argument. It's unhealthy, sure, but get your elitist bullshit elsewhere please. Plus, "go and see a doctor about it" is pretty dumb as well. Doctors can hardly help with anything these days, aside from emergency care.
Well that wasnt my argument... and you say I have weak argument when you say doctors cant do shit. If you actually go to a specialist they can generally treat you, this is how medicine works. This is why people dont die from say influenza.
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Re: Acne that is ruining my life. [Re: dangan]
#20489279 - 08/28/14 02:23 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow food nazi over here, let people eat how they want. Suggestions are fine but calling them a burden is ridiculous. I've never had a vegans way of life interfere with mine ever, at least not in a way I was ever aware of.
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Re: Acne that is ruining my life. [Re: NailTheSnail]
#20489339 - 08/28/14 02:37 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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NailTheSnail said: don't be a fucking vegan then, I don't wanna hear your petty shit.
If I am going to dinner with someone I bring a plate because I want to eat. Actually where I live most people are open minded about new diets so it is no problem. I wouldn't bag on you for eating cow jizz, so keep it too yourself.
If I see my friends I bring food for me. the only time I don't bring food is when I am going to my grandparents.
You are not meant to eat like that? WTF.


best response ive read in a while +5
@ kakashi - he's right, fuck off about vegans, if you dont like vegans or being a vegan, dont be one or hang out with them thats on you man, you get pissed off because you allow those people to be around you or eat with you.
and if you get pissed off because there are vegans out there in this world then you are just fucking retarded
also not all vegans are arrogant snobby douches, my cousin is vegan and at her wedding (while there was kale and many other rabbit foods) she had veggie burgers, or an option of bison burgers....she was thoughtful enough to have tasty fixins for the people who eat normal shit, and still had stuff that fit into her diet/lifestyle
if you are having people over for dinner, and you know one is a vegan, you are a dick if you have no food for them, unless you had previously talked and they were bringing their own stuff.
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I have pretty bad acne but I just pretend it isnt there and my life is alright
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Re: Acne that is ruining my life. [Re: morrowasted]
#20489370 - 08/28/14 02:43 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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@ OP
dude you are 18, prime acne time for males, your body chemistry should change within the next 3-5 years and you will see a massive improvement in your skin naturally
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Re: Acne that is ruining my life. [Re: kakashi68]
#20489410 - 08/28/14 02:52 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Where did i say that "doctors cant do shit"? It's not always the case, but try going to one for your acne or most other skin and inflammatory conditions. More often than not you will be jerked around between specialists for years with little to no effect. @kakashi68
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When i went through psychosis i had terrible stress and then i got acne on my face and shoulders, this made me feel even worse about myself and it was very heart breaking Having acneis really horrible on someone mentally.
I came to the conclusion that if i bodybuild il care less about it because il be happy with my physoque atleast.
This was tye best decision ever, once i got big i felt really good about my body despite the acne. And for some reason once that stress of insecurity was gone my acne all the suddwn cleared up dramatically.. my face is pretty much 100 clear now and my shoulders are clearing up very well too.
I really suggest this method, dieting for me doesnt do shit all. Id rather eat whatever to get big than worry about everylittle thing giving me acne.
Stress i say again is a HUGE factor cuz it causes massive hormonal changes.
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Re: Acne that is ruining my life. [Re: dangan]
#20489516 - 08/28/14 03:14 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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dangan said: Lol, "vegans piss me off" is a pretty weak and ignorant argument. It's unhealthy, sure, but get your elitist bullshit elsewhere please. Plus, "go and see a doctor about it" is pretty dumb as well. Doctors can hardly help with anything these days, aside from emergency care.
you were pretty close
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Re: Acne that is ruining my life. [Re: SleepyE]
#20489537 - 08/28/14 03:18 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Again, Thanks for all the replies.
I am not arrogant or attention seeking, If anything I am trying to get attention off me by being vegan. I agree Dangan doctors don't really get to the problem. I have been to the doctor a number of times and they never really help they just prescribe some shit.
Yea I try and stay off the stressed side, I find boxing really does that for me.
I am done with dietry side okay. Dangan I will give less fruit ago and more veg.
Thanks again guys for the support
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Re: Acne that is ruining my life. [Re: NailTheSnail]
#20489616 - 08/28/14 03:34 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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trippinballs420 said: @ OP
dude you are 18, prime acne time for males, your body chemistry should change within the next 3-5 years and you will see a massive improvement in your skin naturally
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SleepyE said: When i went through psychosis i had terrible stress and then i got acne on my face and shoulders, this made me feel even worse about myself and it was very heart breaking Having acneis really horrible on someone mentally.
I came to the conclusion that if i bodybuild il care less about it because il be happy with my physoque atleast.
This was tye best decision ever, once i got big i felt really good about my body despite the acne. And for some reason once that stress of insecurity was gone my acne all the suddwn cleared up dramatically.. my face is pretty much 100 clear now and my shoulders are clearing up very well too.
I really suggest this method, dieting for me doesnt do shit all. Id rather eat whatever to get big than worry about everylittle thing giving me acne.
Dude, everybody gets some acne when they are your age. It's likely hormonal. Put those hormones to use and build some muscle
The dietary advice you're getting here makes it seem like you've got cancer or something
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Re: Acne that is ruining my life. [Re: Khii Khwaay]
#20489662 - 08/28/14 03:45 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Acne that is ruining my life. [Re: Johnny Depp]
#20491220 - 08/28/14 10:44 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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The best thing you can do, diet wise is drink a ton of water everyday, and introduce a good source of fatty amino acids to your diet. Fish oil pills, chia or hemp seeds, coconut oil, avocado, etc., etc., etc, hair/skin/nails respond favorably to healthy fats - If it's hormonal you'll still get an occasional break out, but it will still help your skin more than any topical cream or fad diet. Yes, leafy greens will also do you a whole world of good and would compliment the above recommendations, but there's really no need to give up meat and dairy.
If you have sensitive skin then topical products could hurt more than help, and you're best off using the mildest and most natural stuff you can find. Personally, I don't usually vouch for skin products, but Dermatologica is by far the best skin care line I have come across, it's the only skin care product that I thought significantly improved the texture of my skin in the long run. That being said, any mild/hypoallergenic/natural cleanser will do.
If you haven't I would see a doctor. IDK how well their topical prescription creams work compared to accutane..which I have heard some nasty stuff about in terms of side effects but it seems to have a good track record in terms of clearing up people's faces.
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Re: Acne that is ruining my life. [Re: pirate-blues]
#20491306 - 08/28/14 11:11 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I had severe acne about a year ago. It has been months since I've even gotten a single pimple now. My face is clear except for the scars. I did the research and found a highly effective treatment.
Want to know what it is? Vitamin A. Accutane (the most effective acne treatment, 95% of patients with severe acne have no acne after treatment is finished) is very closely related to vitamin A and they both are very similar in efficacy of treating acne.
Look, if you actually want to get rid of your acne, send me a PM and I'll give you dosage advice on vitamin A backed with research studies. I've been where you are at. It effected me to the point of attempting suicide, it was that bad. I was like you, I didn't want to be around people because I felt like my face looked diseased.
Vitamin A takes around 3-4 months to start working. In the meantime, you need to go to the doctor and get antibiotics.
PM me man. You don't have to go through this much longer.
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trippinballs420 said: @ OP
dude you are 18, prime acne time for males, your body chemistry should change within the next 3-5 years and you will see a massive improvement in your skin naturally
This. There is no absolute cure for acne besides time. Eventually you will grow out of it. Some people still have a small problem with it later in life but it is rare to have it as severe as you do over the age of 25.
In the mean time use nature's helping hand, the sun. If it's winter go to a tanning bed for short intervals so you don't burn. It won't cure it 100% but it sure helped me A LOT when I was younger.
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Re: Acne that is ruining my life. [Re: Magicman69] 3
#20491415 - 08/28/14 11:51 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is no absolute cure for acne besides time.
This couldn't be further from the truth. Antibiotics, sailcylic acid, benzoyl peroxide, niacinamide, accutane, vitamin A. There are many effective treatments out there. Don't listen to BS like this and continue living with severe acne.
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