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#2048506 - 10/28/03 05:22 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I aso belive that evil stems from lies. When honesty gets pushed to the side all hell breaks loose. When people start to belive those lies then it manifests into this huge thing of wrongness.
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i think evil is born of insecurity and self-doubt. by doubting oneself, you need to reconfirm your belief by watching other beliefs burn, or be converted to your own. of course, it's an endless cycle, because you can't really believe in something because somebody else does. some people have severe self-denial issues, and preach because they want to save others. i think its a lie. but maybe i'm wrong. which i'm willing to accept (and hoping is true)
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Greed, laziness and dishonesty all stem from self-centered minds. I wouldn't so much agree that evil is born of insecurity and self-doubt so much as to say that these are the consequences of non-virtuous deeds.
If I tell lies, I am suspicious that I've been lied to.
If I steal, I am anxious I may be stolen from.
If I slander others absent of them, I fear I am being slandered in my absence.
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Something that gets labeled "evil" either, in my opinion:
a: is BEING misunderstood
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b: is misunderstanding something else, resulting in "evil" processes
Evil is caused by misunderstanding
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Re: The Cause of Evil [Re: Strumpling]
#2050309 - 10/28/03 08:30 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe that evil comes from separation, most notably, the separation of "I" from "everything else".
This separation breeds bigotry and selfishness.
It breeds bigotry because it makes us separate everything into the categories of "good" and "bad". And since we are predisposed to like what we consider "good" more than we like what we consider "bad", we feel justified in doing bad things in order to protect what we feel is "good". One must realize that things are neither good, nor evil. They just are.
The separation breeds selfishness because the "I" which we are attached to takes precedence over the "everything else" which we feel less attached to (although in reality, we are just as attached to "everything selse" as we are to ourselves).
Only when one realizes that to inflict pain upon his surroundings is to inflict pain upon himself, can he be free of evil actions. Only when he purges the very concept of evil from his mind and views the world without judgement can he be free of evil thoughts and states of mind.
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Re: The Cause of Evil [Re: DoctorJ]
#2050859 - 10/28/03 11:40 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Intolerance.
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Evill is just a point of view you do not agree with.
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ped nailed that one on the head 
"Others say that good and evil are all subjective, and therefore there is no evil the objective sense, but there are some values that exist in every culture, and as I said before, many people commit acts which they themselves believe to be wrong. What are your thoughts on this?"
what are values though? we would all have to make an agreement that one thing is evil, and I don't think everyone could. we all have the compacity to be evil, but that doesn't make us evil ourselves. can our day to day actions define what w3e truley are. if we are evil 90% of the time, and good 10% are we all inherently evil? I don't think that is the case. we all have such an unique perspective on different situations. some say killing is wrong, but it depends on the situation. so then what about murder? murder to me is defined as killing when that person is in the "wrong" how could we ever define this?
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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.
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Re: The Cause of Evil [Re: kaiowas]
#2052199 - 10/29/03 07:39 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would say the ultimate "value" is that of survival. Whether this means survival of a single human, or of that human's posterity, or of a unit, or of the species as a whole, is debatable.
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Balance
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Re: The Cause of Evil [Re: Shroomism]
#2052976 - 10/29/03 01:48 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Greed, and Hate.
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Re: The Cause of Evil [Re: Psilopleix]
#2053821 - 10/29/03 11:06 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe in Balance. If the evil in the world is increasing to the point of pissing you off, then I believe the good in the world is equally as potent. The problem is, by seeing all this evil, you shelter yourself from the good. You fail to notice the 10 little good things that balance the 1 bad thing that happened yesterday. When you surround yourself in evil, you believe it's consuming you, and or your surroundings. Ped said it best.
Nice post people...
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Re: The Cause of Evil [Re: nubious]
#2053833 - 10/29/03 11:11 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is nature inherently evil?
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at this point i think we can be relatively certain seperation exists as a fallacy of finite perception, and the only barrier to infinite creativity is a preimposed notion of certainty and artificial conditioning. nothing is without origin
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it depends on the individual if nature is inherently evil. personally I can't see how anyone can really judge nature on that level. some people see fires and lightening as bad or evil (especially if it affects them directly) and yet they have their uses. fires makes the soil potent, and lightening repairs the ozone. so i guess i'd have to say that nature is neither bad nor good.
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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.
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Re: The Cause of Evil [Re: kaiowas]
#2054835 - 10/30/03 05:09 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Evil is not a word i like to use. I belive on bad events and actions as part of the ultimate balance of the universe. But evil just sounds to as a judgement to all of those who've done something that the majority of society doesent agree with. There is greed, envy, jelousy, confusion and pain, but they all come bundled with happiness, love, friendships and good times. Its part of the balance and only through self control can we learn to take the appropiate actions towards these feelings. Because people dont know self control doesent neseseraly mean they are part of the evil of this world. Only through education can peace be aquired.
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Re: The Cause of Evil [Re: Spokesman]
#2055538 - 10/30/03 08:24 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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greed
think about it. don't just reply. actually think about it. that is the cause of evil.
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Re: The Cause of Evil [Re: student]
#2055542 - 10/30/03 08:25 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is it greedy to blow yourself up in a crowded night club?
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having not read any posts on this thread...
evil and good are both relevant,
the type of society you live in dictates what is morally good and what is morally evil.
For example: in the U.S. (roughly a democracy), everyone pursues their own desires, which usually is greed.
We consider exremely greedy people to be evil in our society.
In, say, the middle east, money isn't as paramont to their society, but their honor to god is.
People consider extremely zealous, terrrorist, sucide bombers to be evil.
You could say that they think they are being extremely honorable to god, but in reality, it's very distorted.
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 Re: The Cause of Evil [Re: ceephax]
#2055989 - 10/30/03 10:41 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Edited by Xibalba (09/30/05 08:29 AM)
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Re: The Cause of Evil [Re: Xibalba]
#2055998 - 10/30/03 10:45 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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So other animals are incapable of any wrongdoing?
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