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Can you make a difference?
    #2047655 - 10/27/03 04:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I think our generation will soon realize that it has a major dilemna on its hands: That our lives are being guided by the wrong people, at an evil intensity, with the primary motivation of life being money.

Psychedelics (specifically mushrooms) will cause people to re-orient and re-assess the world in which they exist. Perhaps enough people will utilize their abilities and gifts to make a positive transformation in the world.

Art must be used. Books must be written. Conversations must take place. Community gatherings must eventually be held. Music must flourish as it once did to bring people into unity and positive joy - not just crazy rebellion and wrestlessness.

Get organized ladies & gentlemen.

Utilize your gifts.

Do not let them reside in you with no effect.

IDENTIFY THIS DAY YOUR GIFT AND OPERATE IN IT, EVEN IF THE PROJECT YOU TAKE UP IS QUIET, SERENE AND OUT OF SITE FOR THE TIME BEING.

Love is contagious. If hate and the love of money can spread this bad, how much more can a little psychedelic love spread if the right people are positioned accordingly?


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Re: Can you make a difference? [Re: World Spirit]
    #2047732 - 10/27/03 05:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"Psychedelics (specifically mushrooms) will cause people to re-orient and re-assess the world in which they exist. Perhaps enough people will utilize their abilities and gifts to make a positive transformation in the world. "

No they won't, actually. There are no ideas or opinions that are universally adopted by those using psychedelics. These drugs will often solidify pre-existing beliefs.

If a KKK member took mushrooms, he would likely have revelations about how the extent of the "negro problem".

Charles Manson used LSD extensively to gain revelations about how a race war needs to be incited.


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Re: Can you make a difference? [Re: Phluck]
    #2047811 - 10/27/03 05:30 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Phluck, you can trust in evil or you can trust in God.

People in general are mere pleasure hunters. That's all they really care about.

If psychedelics blast open the doors of perception and they see more to life than mere pleasures, they may just discover something greater and Someone greater.

At a minimum, they may be able to see that love is better than lust, that love is better than money, that love is better than pride, that love is better than electronics, that love is better than big houses, fast cars, and credit cards.

Without love we are nothing and our lives are wasted.

I believe that this generation will benefit in a very positive way through moderate and careful consumption of mushrooms and other psychedelics.

I am not going to say 'nothing can be done.'

I am saying "we can do something and it starts NOW!"

I am further saying that THERE IS A PROBLEM with the modern lifestyle. Life can be improved so drastically it hurts to put it into words.


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Re: Can you make a difference? [Re: World Spirit]
    #2047948 - 10/27/03 06:15 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Every generation has faced this. I mean just look. How often can a group of much older people who represent their own age possibly reflect the values of another? It really cannot. By the time we reach the age of political office our values will probably highly distort the then current generations values as well.

Also I suggest trying out this link. No drug is really inherently spiritual, nor will it open up doors. Countless numbers of times have I heard or read or known people to use LSD and shrooms (more people tend to be using shrooms) who are complete fucks. It forces nothing. If someone takes lsd to play video games and watch movies time after time with little or no thought on spirituality, they wil lrecieve none.

My room mate for instance believes there is nothing spiritual about drugs, yet he seems to roll and trip on shrooms. There is a concept in chemistry called JiJO or something like that, it is Junk in, Junk out. If someone doesn't go into a trip feeling spiritual or that life changing things will happen, there is a very very good chance they won't come out thinking all of those things.

Perfect example of Charile Manson btw. Not to mention look at that era of time. These can be used for whatever purpose one wants. If everyone in the world too LSD/MDxx, or mushrooms. Nothing would happen. Some people woudl have a good time, others would be afriad of dying the entire time, and others yet still could very well hurt themselves. HAPPY HEALTHY MINDS PEOPLE... psychedelics are not an instant cure all.. I am sorry.


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Re: Can you make a difference? [Re: caolite]
    #2048038 - 10/27/03 06:54 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I agree, the only major threat to our society is us. The leaders do a pretty good job making us slaves, and stupid. People need to relize that they can infact make a diffrence, and there is point in fighting.

As easy as that sounds, its really not because I consider myself pretty aware of this, yet I fall into the same groove day after day. It does get easier though IMO, the more people around you act in a certain way, the easier it is for you to act that way, especially when that was also follows your heart, and has no moral dillemas. You are right, love is contagious, and one person sending out love can often times completely snowball if the circumstaces are right...

I myself find it hard to make any serious change, and try to stand against the current social model, but I do try to change myself. I limit what I say bad about people, and try not to get caught up in drama. I still think it, im human, but there is a diffrence between saying and thinking. And on that note, when I am thinking something possitive, I will say it. Since then, I have found myself not thinking these negative things, and primary focusing my attention on the good aspects of everything. I like to help anyone out in any way i can. Maybe sometimes its for greed, or to feed my ego, win someone over, whatever. I dunno. I do it though, and it feels good.

I have made some simple, yet effective changes in the last 9 months with myself, and I have seen effects on others. ALL my close friends have this same outlook without me explaining anything to them, they kinda pick it up, and most of thier friends, and friends of thier friends are real nice, caring people. I dont know what to say other than it feels fucking great.


As far as drugs are concerned, I agree with Phluck. However im not denying that they help with spirituality and what not. I think that most people who shroom like to think outside the box, they can see past primetime TV. Some people who eat drugs just do it to get fucked up and are still fucking retarded. Its a fact. But those people who are willing to drop what they know, and learn based on what they experience and not what someone tells them usually find thier way to experiencing that universal truth burried deep within themselves.

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Re: Can you make a difference? [Re: World Spirit]
    #2048449 - 10/27/03 10:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

all drugs aside -

I find it odd how, generally speaking, most people imediately assume they can't do a damn thing to make a difference in this world as a whole, and then use that as justification to not do anything at all. It's like everyone just sees themselves as pawns and they decide that because they're not one of the so called power pieces (senator, president, five star general, whatever) that it's useless for them to do whatever they can to manipulate the outcome of the game...and a lot of the time it even seems as though they're perfectly content in just sitting there watching a rook or a bishop or some shit while it's setting up to take em out, and they don't even take the initative to move out of the way. And I don't even think it's so much that they're oblivious to the fact that they're an active participant in the game of life - I really think that most people out there simply sit back an watch this world going to hell in a hand-basket, and they don't even think about doing anything to give their team a fighting chance...it's like thy're all paralyzed with depression or something.

I'm sorry - but if I can make a move that'll do anything that even *might* potentially make a difference (even if only a tiny little infindescimally insignificant one) then I'm gonna do it...cause I know damn well that no matter how pathetic a pawn might be, it still has the power to win the game.




~my two cents~


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Re: Can you make a difference? [Re: Mystical_Craven]
    #2048802 - 10/27/03 11:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

I'm sorry - but if I can make a move that'll do anything that even *might* potentially make a difference (even if only a tiny little infindescimally insignificant one) then I'm gonna do it...cause I know damn well that no matter how pathetic a pawn might be, it still has the power to win the game.




Damn right! I figure as long as I keep doing whatever I can, it'll make a difference somewhere down the line. You never know, maybe the little thing you do to help someone out turns into a big change in their life & you never even find out - gotta try just in case.


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Re: Can you make a difference? [Re: World Spirit]
    #2048882 - 10/27/03 11:51 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

We have all built our own cages. Every stitch of Society is used to hold all other threads in place. Hologram-style  :smirk:

Can I make a difference? Yes! I already have :smile:

And so can everyone. It doesn't take much. Start with yourself. You don't have to abandon Society just yet (or maybe not at all), you still need it for survival at this point. What you can do is come to grips with the way things are. Learn about your situation, about what the cage is and how it stands. Then start on those around you. Your friends, first, as they are likely the closest in mindset to you already. Your family may be close enough, but in my case not :smirk:

I provide Clarity, that's my "gift" :wink: 


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Re: Can you make a difference? [Re: trendal]
    #2049021 - 10/28/03 12:43 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

All is as it should be, there really isn't anything to make a difference about. It isn't like things can ever stay the same. That is impossible.


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Re: Can you make a difference? [Re: Mystical_Craven]
    #2049154 - 10/28/03 01:16 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Mystical_Craven said:
...cause I know damn well that no matter how pathetic a pawn might be, it still has the power to win the game.





A single pawn couldn't win the game--you need at least two.

My submission to the pithy statement of the day contest.


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Re: Can you make a difference? [Re: World Spirit]
    #2050042 - 10/28/03 10:51 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I?m assuming you?re referring to the direction of government and our materialistic society. Sorry to reign on the parade, but there is nothing you can do to change our society. It?s over; it?s too late, might as well get your kicks now before this whole shitbox goes to hell. What do you think you can do?

Make a pamphlet and dispense it around town and to as many people you know?

Good luck with that one. The people that even read the newspaper or keep up on news are so completely immersed in their political ideologies that they can?t react about anything without hearing what their party supports first. They are pawns, they are not intelligent enough to read a fact and make a decision without feeling like they are part of their own social group for adults.

Then there are those that do not even follow politics and government. What are they going to think about your pamphlet? Well in the event that they even make it past the first paragraph, they probably will just shrug and go get their Burger King for lunch. As long as they have their cell phone in service and fat slab of cow in front of them then they are happy.

Or maybe you think you will use television to get your message out?

How? All the major television networks are all connected and owned by the same people that are using your endless appetites to herd you into a massive group of dumb sheep. You?re so dumb now that they have to reassure you that you have some autonomy over your life path with slogans such as ?You Decide 2004,? or "have it your way."

Or maybe you?re just going to take yourself out of this materialistic and socialistic quagmire?

Now you say you?re going to renounce your United States citizenship. Claim a plot of land, and live free of all the bullshit that this society impales you with daily. Do you think the government just lets people do this (besides the Amish)? Do you think they sit back and watch as people who truly understand their rights operate against them using their own venom? Well you could try it, some (very few) get away with it, but all the others are charged with false charges and are either killed or imprisoned. And you (the general public) won?t even find out about it because the picture box will be covering the next Kobe Bryant case for half the day. Just look at the Montana Freemen. Oh maybe you don't remember them, well that's because the media never covered it for a second after they were imprisoned unfairly for legally fucking the IRS.

Are you going to stop buying things you don?t need?

Good start for your own salvation, too bad that 90% of the population can?t live without diamond studded earrings and gas guzzling, ?I don?t care about anybody but myself,? colossal- what you may term vehicles.

Are you going to write a book?

People have been writing books exposing the evil path this country has been headed towards for the past 100 years, some even further back then that. Nobody listened then. Nobody is listening now. Because nobody wants to listen, and if the picture box doesn?t verify something to them, then it must not be true. Hell, Whistleblower magazine just had a huge article on the Federal Reserve and all its negative facets, but that hasn't changed anything.

How are you going to stop Globalization? It is just years away from putting the nail in the coffin on small business and human rights. Save some tribes in Brazil, it has rolled over every indivual company so that fewer and fewer people control all the wealth of the world.

Maybe you might try to run for office. Well you?re going to have to do it through one of the two major parties in the farce/game, unless you?re a famous wrestler. And if you?re not glorified meathead, you have to work your way up from the bottom of the party, and that means voting with party and falling in line with the senior reps- be it state leg. or congress.

How are you going to stop the current infringement on civil liberties?

How many ridiculous, fraudulent things does this current administration have to do before a real republican awakens and informs the people? See if this wasn?t all a game for idiots, then maybe a democrat would be on the air talking about how John Ashcroft, a man that is supposed to uphold the law of the land, is it out endorsing it on a lobbying tour! Or maybe they would talk about how The Patriot Act was passed without congress being able read it. Maybe they would mention the Enemy Combatant clause, which basically says the government can lock up anyone, for any reason, without a charge, access to a lawyer, or the public being informed. But no, I guess every major democrat missed all this. Yeah right? sure.

War

Sorry but if you buy the reasons television tells you for going to war with Iraq and Afghanistan you probably also believe that 911, the WTC 93 and Oklahoma city all just? happened. The government is full of bumbling idiots that can?t get anything right. Good ol? U.S. government, at it again. Now may be a good time to start questioning and researching the truth behind these matters. You are being fooled into every major action this empire carries out. Soon there will be another terrorist attack, then, more rights gone. Then there will be more shootings, so they will say: Let?s take the guns away. But we took the guns away. We banned assault weapons- and guess what- criminals got them and the crime associated with them continues. Don?t you see a pattern, something bad happens, there are always suspicious ties to the government- the answer is always: let?s restrict rights. Just type ?One World Government? into a google search engine. Don?t read the Christian results if you are not comfortable with your intellectual abilities to sift through fact and viewpoint. And if you need the idiot picture box or the New York Times to verify everything that shapes your life, don?t bother either.

Soon there will be a huge depression and the United States will go bankrupt- unless you have a way of getting into congress and abolishing the federal reserve and expsoing what the IMF really entails, tell me, how are you to stop this? Many will suffer, until finally, the answer is a cashless society.

Microchip technology is here. It has already started with pets, soon prisoners, then patients, then the mass population. This may not scare you if your naive enough to think that the government is only interested in the general will, but for those that are familiar with atrocity after atrocity and lie after lie it's a bit different.

There will be more war as the PNAC plot unfolds for U.S. domination>One World Government continues. Don?t you ever question why people in middle east hate us? If you?ve been lulled into thinking it?s because we like to fuck and be happy then you?re not getting it. They know about the future of the world, they understand the way the World Bank and the IMF under the world bank work. Why can't Iraq print its own money? Doesn't that make a lot more sense then setting up a central bank of Iraq backed by the World bandk? Of course you always get countries that submit willingly like Quitar which makes it even easier for the global elite/banking cartel.

I realize that most will read this and think I'm a conspiracy quack, and that's fine. I hope I'm wrong, but I've been researching this for the past 3 years, and when it all happnens and unravels it will either be to late for anybody to say "i told you so," or people will still be blind to how much freedom they lost.

So what do you all propose to do, I mean besides sitting here saying that you can change a system that is so integrated into this world that even changing that in itself would screw us over.


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Re: Can you make a difference? [Re: start25]
    #2050095 - 10/28/03 11:31 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, what he said


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Re: Can you make a difference? [Re: start25]
    #2050769 - 10/28/03 04:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I read your post and listened to what you had to say.

Now give me an opportunity to respond.

I very clearly realize that we are fighting something that is DESTINED to have it's victory: Evil.

Howevever, we don't have to save the whole world.

We can make efforts to save those whom are within our social reach, and likewise, everyone else can help sharpen us and make us more honest, more detailed, and more accurate.

The question I'm throwing out there is this:
CAN YOU MAKE A DIFFERENCE?

The question is not:
Can you change the direction the world's citizens are headed for?

We are headed for judgement, and none of you should disregard this statement. We as a people, as nations, as the world, will reap what we sow. If we are ruled by laziness, laziness will rule us and overpower us. If we are ruled by lust, lust we rule us and overpower us. If we are ruled by the love of money, then the love of money will rule us and overpower us and take us where we will not wish to be.

BUT

We can still make a difference.

It can happen right here at this site or at other sites.

It can happen in your aparment/condo complex.

It can happen where you work.

It can happen at the places you hang out.

It can happen almost anywhere.

That's one of our problems I think: We get to a certain vantage point with life where we get convinced that the world is all messed up but we can't change it. Or we try to reason out how one individual (like Neo from the Matrix) can change the entire world by himself more or less.

Instead, we should do what we can with what we have to work with. I think its safe to say that peaceful people will find themselves in art, literature, dialogue, and entertainment. These same things can be utilized to express that the world's direction is WRONG 100%.

We should make it a habit to speak up when we feel permitted (and sometimes when we don't feel permitted) and give our two cents. When you see something wrong you are responsible for speaking up. When you see something right you should recognize it and help nurture it so that it blooms into something further.

Instead of anxiety spreading, we should spread wisdom.

Instead of lust spreading, we should spread an understanding of what real love is. (Anyone remember Lennon's song "Real Love"?)



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Re: Can you make a difference? [Re: World Spirit]
    #2051204 - 10/28/03 08:04 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with you on working on yourself and helping those around you, that's within everyones reach.

I thought you were referring more to the materialistic world structure and the state of political affairs.


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Re: Can you make a difference? [Re: start25]
    #2051975 - 10/28/03 11:31 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I consume less day by day.


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Re: Can you make a difference? [Re: Droz]
    #2052127 - 10/29/03 12:18 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Print up thousands of flyers and dump them all over the place. In streets, stair wells, farms, let the words rain down. Drop them as you walk or something hehe.


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Re: Can you make a difference? [Re: Anansi]
    #2052168 - 10/29/03 12:32 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

litterbug.


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Re: Can you make a difference? [Re: World Spirit]
    #2052211 - 10/29/03 12:43 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I do agree Enter that people should live here and now and do what they would do if "judgement" were upon them. The universe is here, it waits for no one, for it is continuously moving. The decisions we make reflect in one way or another the world around us.

Psychadelics are like any voyage, you decide to take a trip for a certain reason. To get away from where you are, to a place you want to be, how you get there and the experiences you encounter change you as a person. If your intent is for some sinister plot to harm or devise against the demise of others and or other things, than surely you will have made the steps to reach your purpose.

But the question is, is who is willing to make a positive difference? I do agree with you though, and i hope that people see in themselves the ability that they have every day to change the way they think, and behave in this world, and to make their life better. So much lays at our finger tips, if only only we were to grasp it, could we harness it and bring it to weild. Who wants a better world? A lot of people just dont care, and they wallow in their own misery, while their world crumbles around them, and the harsh realities pour out to those around them.

Some things never change. But I do believe there is a purpose for making a difference, because its just that, a difference. And maybe when this world "evil" as you say has gone to rest, the difference we make, the world we have created out of the bad parts of this world, will be the new world for us to live in. Shedding skin?

It resembles much like families, as families go through pains, they can choose to overcome their hardships and change the course of actions through future generations, by teaching and rearing ones children to a positive and reasoning mind.

Evolution maybe? Only time will tell what humans will do. Be different. Our survival has thrived upon it, our awareness can be controlled by discipline. If our disciplines our strong, we may be able to wield our future, a new world where a free people will decide where their days will go.


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Re: Can you make a difference? [Re: World Spirit]
    #2052278 - 10/29/03 01:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Just a few thoughts..I'm not trying to flame anyone, but I would like to make a few observations.
As far as psychedelics go, have you read and heard of the Psychedelic "Revolution" of the 1960's? Those people were going to change the world too. Those people are now our parents and, in some cases, our grandparents.
I'm not saying that certain drugs can't be used as a tool for self discovery, but true change can only come from within.
And as stated before, it's a rare individual who can change the world..the best most of us can hope for is to change our own little corner of the world, and make a positive difference for having been there. :smile:


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