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Alex Oxblood
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20584183 - 09/18/14 03:19 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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well as far as RH and proper FAE goes, I know I have to skrew with it, but im gone at work all day so by the time I come home the damage is done.
My closet is 5 x 5, completely gutted, lined in tarp, with a dual ballast 6500K light fixture hanging from the ceiling.
Maybe have my little deak fan across the room, pointed into the closet but in between the tubs so that the wind hits the back wall, and put it on a timer to come on every 4 hours for one hour, or maybe 30 mins?
I read somewhere about tub needing to cycle out the stagnant inside air 6 times a day.
unfortunately, I don't have to time to babysit the tubs all day because I work a lot. but im sick of dried out subs and fucking up because of a small error.
How much wind is actually needed to penetrate the poly and give it just what it needs? It sounds like it doesn't have to be much.
And also, when Frank Horrigan talks about dialing in a mono like a boss, he says to stuff the bottom holes TIGHT. exactly how tight is tight? the holes are all 1.5 inches, so im guessing about a softball size ball of poly??
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20584792 - 09/18/14 05:28 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: Yeah, during fruiting my tubs get direct light. I wonder if sometimes the intensity or amount of lighting is a little over rated. I've seen several grows with no or low light that didn't turn out well.
I need to experiment with this more because I've just been following the masses for the most part, but it hasn't done me wrong. I should try no electric lights and just window light and see what happens. I'm gonna wait until I have some proven cultures first though.
ive been doing this for years without using any type of artificial lighting. its never caused any issues for me. alot of what people claim is bullshit.
with a clone i can get full canopy flushes consistently, natural dim light, nothing special. no consolidation, none of this malarkey. even all this crap about endospores and dirty spawn. i call bullshit.
im illustrating this as well so people can get off the nutsack.
i know multispore can be hit or miss. but even with multispore you can get pretty consistent full canopy flushes with prints off good genetics.
Edited by eatyualive (09/18/14 05:31 PM)
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: Alex Oxblood]
#20584797 - 09/18/14 05:30 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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He also says "as tight as you can get it". If you're tired of dried out subs, then ditch the fan until you think you need it. You also don't need a tarp on the walls. That's just you're paranoia getting the best of you.
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: eatyualive]
#20584827 - 09/18/14 05:36 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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eatyualive said:
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SpitballJedi said: Yeah, during fruiting my tubs get direct light. I wonder if sometimes the intensity or amount of lighting is a little over rated. I've seen several grows with no or low light that didn't turn out well.
I need to experiment with this more because I've just been following the masses for the most part, but it hasn't done me wrong. I should try no electric lights and just window light and see what happens. I'm gonna wait until I have some proven cultures first though.
ive been doing this for years without using any type of artificial lighting. its never caused any issues for me. alot of what people claim is bullshit.
with a clone i can get full canopy flushes consistently, natural dim light, nothing special. no consolidation, none of this malarkey. even all this crap about endospores and dirty spawn. i call bullshit.
im illustrating this as well so people can get off the nutsack.
Yeah, I think a lot of stuff is bullshit too. After I finish these tubs I got going, I'm gonna try natural light. My grow room has 2 windows and neither get direct light. Have you noticed any difference between summer and winter because of the different daylight times?
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Alex Oxblood
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20584839 - 09/18/14 05:39 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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The closet was nasty, and the attic was right above it. didn't seem like a clean environment.
What type of shelving do you recommend? I see you have the plastic shelves that you can add layers to. from Walmart?
I don't want to put the tubs directly on the floor.
also, I shut the vent in the entire room that the closet is in so it wont kick around too much wind. we turn the AC off when we aren't home (all day) anyway, so really I don't see any air being kicked around period while we are gone.
Hence the fan.
But even in a still environment, is FAE still possible?
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20584866 - 09/18/14 05:45 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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nope. no difference at all. i grow all year long also man. the only issues i have is that the heat during the summers can cause me a bit higher contams. like for instance, if i have an old culture im working with. it definitely has alot more trouble during the summer months than the winter.
but thats usually because im using 7 year old clone material. or 5 year old clone material. i just did an ape clone ala 9er tek. i see growth now, im excited!
it never hurts to try dim light.
and im not saying that lighting doesn't help. but i feel it isn't necessary. i do feel the stronger lighting does give the flush more upright growth. i get scattered growth with certain strains. but that was mostly burma, those things have a mind of their own. i have other strains like for instance A strain that even with dim light grows perfectly upright.
here is an example.
A strain very dim light.

burma strain very dim light.

tasmanian strain very dim light

some strains kind of have a mind of their own.
i used to use artificial lighting when i first was growing. i also was using dim light coming in through the window with the shades. i found that both worked fine. so why plug in the light? now if your trying to go stealthy, then the light makes sense to me. but for cubensis. direct light isn't necessary. ive seen fields covered with tree canopy that have massive amounts of fruit with dim light.
i can see how if your growing in a dark closet, light would be necessary but it all depends on your setup. and maybe geographic location and window location on the house may play a factor for some people. for me its never caused an issue and ive grown in several different north, south, east, west orientations of rooms. all consistent growth. most of the time. my blinds in the grow room are almost closed. so really the only light coming in the room is dim.
ive grown fruits in yards, outdoors under shrubs with indirect light. they fruit very veritcally.
Edited by eatyualive (09/18/14 05:48 PM)
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: Alex Oxblood]
#20584880 - 09/18/14 05:46 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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For adequate FAE in a mono, you need some air circulation.
I got the shelves at Home Depot. I don't like stacking tubs during fruiting because I don't like having to rotate them or unstack them to get to one particular tub for whatever reason. The shelves just make it convenient. I do stack them in a closet during colonization.
I don't have a fan in the room right now and my HVAC vent is covered. I seem to be getting enough FAE at the moment.
I have ceiling fans on in 2 other rooms all day and the HVAC kicks on a couple times a day. Even with the AC off and no fan in the room, a candle flickers pretty good and incense smoke blows a round. You situation may be different.
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: eatyualive]
#20584911 - 09/18/14 05:53 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think you're probably right, the electric lights may have grown in popularity because of stealth. You can cover your windows and grow in closets and stuff that way.
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20585058 - 09/18/14 06:26 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Suddenly, more brief periods of LED lighting doesn't seem so whacky after all?
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20585431 - 09/18/14 07:59 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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ok, so the AC kicking on a couple times a day will def help, I assume I leave the closet door open as well?
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: Alex Oxblood]
#20585453 - 09/18/14 08:05 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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probably and probably. You'll have to be the judge.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777#17332777
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FrankHorrigan said: A good indicator of good FAE is a line of evaporation running down one or both sides of the tub from the top holes. The rest of the walls should be covered in condensation, except for small rings around the bottom holes.

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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20585574 - 09/18/14 08:30 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: For adequate FAE in a mono, you need some air circulation.
I got the shelves at Home Depot. I don't like stacking tubs during fruiting because I don't like having to rotate them or unstack them to get to one particular tub for whatever reason. The shelves just make it convenient. I do stack them in a closet during colonization.
Stacking and unstacking tubs is really starting to bum me out but I love the stealthiness of the closet grow. I guess it's all about how you stack them and knowing when you will need to pull them out. Don't put a freshly taken tub to fruiting on top =/ put it at the bottom bc it needs time to pin One day I'll have a bigger house and definitely invest in some shelves
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: Dilated]
#20585597 - 09/18/14 08:33 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I live by myself with a spare bedroom so I can take advantage of the extra space.
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20585613 - 09/18/14 08:35 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: I live by myself with a spare bedroom so I can take advantage of the extra space.
Man I'd kill for an extra bedroom. I'd do like eatyualive and let the natural light from the windows come in and turn on the ceiling fan. You guys suck
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: Dilated]
#20585761 - 09/18/14 09:05 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I did the whole tubs stacked in the closet thing for a while but I hated moving those bastards around so I just switched back to my GH.
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: MudaFuka]
#20585767 - 09/18/14 09:06 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: I just switched back to my GH.
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: eatyualive]
#20585779 - 09/18/14 09:08 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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eatyualive said: nope. no difference at all. i grow all year long also man. the only issues i have is that the heat during the summers can cause me a bit higher contams. like for instance, if i have an old culture im working with. it definitely has alot more trouble during the summer months than the winter.
but thats usually because im using 7 year old clone material. or 5 year old clone material. i just did an ape clone ala 9er tek. i see growth now, im excited!
it never hurts to try dim light.
and im not saying that lighting doesn't help. but i feel it isn't necessary. i do feel the stronger lighting does give the flush more upright growth. i get scattered growth with certain strains. but that was mostly burma, those things have a mind of their own. i have other strains like for instance A strain that even with dim light grows perfectly upright.
here is an example.
A strain very dim light.

burma strain very dim light.

tasmanian strain very dim light

some strains kind of have a mind of their own.
i used to use artificial lighting when i first was growing. i also was using dim light coming in through the window with the shades. i found that both worked fine. so why plug in the light? now if your trying to go stealthy, then the light makes sense to me. but for cubensis. direct light isn't necessary. ive seen fields covered with tree canopy that have massive amounts of fruit with dim light.
i can see how if your growing in a dark closet, light would be necessary but it all depends on your setup. and maybe geographic location and window location on the house may play a factor for some people. for me its never caused an issue and ive grown in several different north, south, east, west orientations of rooms. all consistent growth. most of the time. my blinds in the grow room are almost closed. so really the only light coming in the room is dim.
ive grown fruits in yards, outdoors under shrubs with indirect light. they fruit very veritcally.
Light does play a role in the direction of the mushrooms, ( I know RR will call bullshit on this, but I have trays to prove they will lean toward the light. I believe it helps with the cap formation, but that is about it.
Light is not a pinning trigger, which was believed when I started growing back in 2005-6 ish. But it is definitely helpful for fruit development.
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: Sockadin]
#20585904 - 09/18/14 09:29 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have done trays of Galindoi where I rotated the tray a part turn every day once or twice, and made whole trays of spiraled mushrooms. All had 2-3 complete rotations. So light is DEFINITELY a directional guide.
But... light is in part a pinning trigger. Light indicates the exposure to open air, the place mushrooms are intended to grow into, the place where spores will be carried away to a potential future. Light also signifies imminent death, and thus the need for the reproduction phase.
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Violet said: IME/IMO, from least to most influential:
6. Signs of decreasing availability of water ("evaporation from substrate") - but even that one not so much, lest my cakes wouldn't have such great results when cased and bottom-watered. 5. Light stimulation of the culture (both a sign of potential sunbathing as well as imminent death) 4. Constantly saturation humidity micro-climate suitable for knotting (it's somewhat circumstantial that evaporation from bulk subs provides this) 3. Air exchange (increased availability of oxygen relative to carbon dioxide emitted) 2. Full colonization of substrate (no more food, imminent death) 1. No- or Low-nutrition pinning sites
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: Dilated]
#20586037 - 09/18/14 09:52 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Violet said: I have done trays of Galindoi where I rotated the tray a part turn every day once or twice, and made whole trays of spiraled mushrooms. All had 2-3 complete rotations. So light is DEFINITELY a directional guide.
But... light is in part a pinning trigger. Light indicates the exposure to open air, the place mushrooms are intended to grow into, the place where spores will be carried away to a potential future. Light also signifies imminent death, and thus the need for the reproduction phase.
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Violet said: IME/IMO, from least to most influential:
6. Signs of decreasing availability of water ("evaporation from substrate") - but even that one not so much, lest my cakes wouldn't have such great results when cased and bottom-watered. 5. Light stimulation of the culture (both a sign of potential sunbathing as well as imminent death) 4. Constantly saturation humidity micro-climate suitable for knotting (it's somewhat circumstantial that evaporation from bulk subs provides this) 3. Air exchange (increased availability of oxygen relative to carbon dioxide emitted) 2. Full colonization of substrate (no more food, imminent death) 1. No- or Low-nutrition pinning sites
ha thats cool. do you have a picture?
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SpitballJedi said: I live by myself with a spare bedroom so I can take advantage of the extra space.
Man I'd kill for an extra bedroom. I'd do like eatyualive and let the natural light from the windows come in and turn on the ceiling fan. You guys suck 
man the mount in my ceiling for the ceiling fan is broken. i have to fix it. its just a matter of when i have free time to do so. otherwise the fan is going to fall off onto the floor. sad. im using a stand up fan now and its not cooperating lol...
short term solution for now. yeah fortunately i have a spare room, a big metal steel storage closet and another closet that has enough room to stack at least 10 tubs.
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: eatyualive]
#20586194 - 09/18/14 10:21 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I noticed the cieling fan is a little more forgiving than the stand up fan. The stand up fan is really too powerful for my set up.
You need to get off your lazy ass and fix your fan.
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