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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: E.FTS]
    #20560536 - 09/13/14 12:17 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Yah that's a nice one for sure.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: E.FTS]
    #20560685 - 09/13/14 01:34 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Dilated those tubs were amazing thanks for sharing such a delightful shrooms. Im drunk, cheeeeeeeers.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #20564534 - 09/14/14 02:57 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I mean, look at it tho. One day I hope to be at that point. Phucking beautiful!

PussyFart has some fantastic grows as well. SBJ too.

MudaFucka, ive been creepin on your grows/reports as well. Solid. All of you.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: E.FTS]
    #20576964 - 09/16/14 08:14 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

hey sbj did you get an update?


so im trying to compare notes. with the TLY i had pinning begin 11 days after spawn. the supercake speeds up the colonization times. the other strains are a little slower.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: eatyualive]
    #20576987 - 09/16/14 08:20 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I noticed my first pin 14 days after spawning. I had to mess with it though. If it wasn't for my HVAC, I think I would have seen pins after 11 or 12 days from spawn. So, it seems comparable to what you do.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20576993 - 09/16/14 08:22 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

yeah ive fucked half my tubs up. i still can't dial in this fan right on my setup. ive tried a few things. my next step is to try a closet. it sux because all my ape tubs dried out. so im dunking soon and that should take care of that. thats whats happening to my tex also. it still knotting but it would probably be faster than the TLY if it didn't dry out 3 days into fruiting conditions.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: eatyualive]
    #20577028 - 09/16/14 08:28 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Do you guys put your fans through any filters? I know contams aren't as large of a concern, but are filtered fans just silly?


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: eatyualive]
    #20577045 - 09/16/14 08:31 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

In my experience, when assessing the air circulation in my room, I've found it easier to have low FAE and high RH in the tub to start and then increase FAE as needed. Starting with too high FAE can cause too much drying on the surface, especially around the bottom holes and this is a little more delicate to fix than slightly just increasing FAE.

If FAE is too low for a short period, all that happens is your tub colonizes a little longer and generally no harm done. But, too much FAE and drying is a PITA.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: Sh33p.Milk]
    #20577053 - 09/16/14 08:33 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I think filtered fans are definitely not needed. But, you may live in a part of the world with a ridiculously high spore load and might benefit from filtered air circulation. :shrug:


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20577178 - 09/16/14 08:56 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

i generally knock down the rh once fruiting begins. if not water pools heavily in the bottom of the tubs. my issue was that this fan has a piece that holds it in place so if you wanted to point it up at an angle it holds the fan. well that piece keeps loosening. i just need to put together the new fan. just worn out. probably tomororow. i know if something dries out ill just dunk it or sink spray it a little like you did. its just a matter of me getting of my ass. i just did a clone and im worn out.

i use more forced air from a ceiling fan usually so im trying to get this thing working. still have random issues. but ill get it fixed soon enough.

its always the two tubs on the bottom right for me. next to the fan. then i adjust it and its not enough movement for any of the tubs. i just need to position it better so that the air circulates around the tubs. im basically skimming the back of the tubs. the room is also very big. so i just need to get off my ass and setup the damn closet. ive just been extremely busy.



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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: eatyualive]
    #20578415 - 09/17/14 06:41 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

What type of closet setup were you planning on?


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20580910 - 09/17/14 07:14 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

SpitBall: This is a great write up. Very helpful. Thank you

Were there any lighting considerations in this project?


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpinScratch]
    #20580977 - 09/17/14 07:30 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

nothing complicated but the fan will be pushing the air against the wall and i feel that the ricochet off the other walls will create more of a current around the tubs. the way i have it now its only pushing the air around the back and one side. i mean its working. and maybe i jumped the gun too soon but i can tell the larger tubs i have are having some issues. they for 1 need bigger holes. 2 i may need to figure out how to reposition them properly. ive been messing around but haven't quite figured it out.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpinScratch]
    #20581100 - 09/17/14 08:08 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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SpitBall: This is a great write up. Very helpful. Thank you

Were there any lighting considerations in this project?




I follow standard lighting protocols. 12 on/12 off 6500K.

I use 4' double florescent tube lights. Here's a pic of my light set up. I only turn on the ones lined up with the shelves I'm fruiting on, but there's a light lined up with the top of each tub. You don't have to be this extensive, I just have the lights already. You can just hang one or two vertically behind the tubs.



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    #20581136 - 09/17/14 08:20 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

How important is the light cycle? Does it need to be a full 12 hours? also, you don't need any light at all until its time to initial fruiting?

But leaving the shade open in the room and letting ambient sunlight in would work also correct?


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpinScratch]
    #20581231 - 09/17/14 08:45 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Supposedly, light is beneficial in all stages of growth. I've done some side by sides with MS grain jars and noticed no difference, some were in dark and some were in ambient light. But, like I said, it was MS and I've only done the test a couple of times; far from conclusive.

During colonization of jars and tubs, I make no special effort to keep them in dark or light. All my colonizing jars get ambient sunlight from a window and if I have tubs fruiting they get the ambient light from that too. This is just how my room is set up.

However, It is pretty well established that mushrooms benefit from intense direct light during the pinning and fruiting stages.

I've never used sunlight so I've not done the research do not have the experience to speak of it honestly. But, there are some who use indirect sunlight. My fruiting tubs get indirect sunlight too during the summer months because of the long days.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20581271 - 09/17/14 08:54 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

When I fruit my monotub, it's going to be in a small closet (3 ft x 2 ft).

I plan on having a small fan running, but not pointing directly at the tub, however, the airflow in the closet will be pretty constant due to the size.

Is this a good idea or should I keep the closet door open and point the fan somewhere else in the room?


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: moonsphere]
    #20581396 - 09/17/14 09:14 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

You'll have to play with it and make adjustments as you see fit.

Light a candle or incense and put it where your tubs will be. The flame or smoke will give an indication of how much circulation you have. You should do this under normal conditions, like have your AC on if you normally run it in the room.

If the smoke or flame bounces around a lot, you may not need a fan. Like I mentioned earlier in the thread:

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In my experience, when assessing the air circulation in my room, I've found it easier to have low FAE and high RH in the tub to start and then increase FAE as needed. Starting with too high FAE can cause too much drying on the surface, especially around the bottom holes and this is a little more delicate to fix than slightly just increasing FAE.

If FAE is too low for a short period, all that happens is your tub colonizes a little longer and generally no harm done. But, too much FAE and drying is a PITA.




Sometimes it takes a few tries to get it dialed in. Within 2-3 days, you should have a small dry ring around the bottom holes and a dry line under and around the top holes. If by day 2 you don't see this starting to develop, I would consider increasing FAE adding or moving the fan. But make small changes. Personally, I would rather risk fuzzy feet and delay of pins than a dry substrate that could contaminate or not pin at all.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20582476 - 09/18/14 05:12 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Supposedly, light is beneficial in all stages of growth. I've done some side by sides with MS grain jars and noticed no difference, some were in dark and some were in ambient light. But, like I said, it was MS and I've only done the test a couple of times; far from conclusive.

During colonization of jars and tubs, I make no special effort to keep them in dark or light. All my colonizing jars get ambient sunlight from a window and if I have tubs fruiting they get the ambient light from that too. This is just how my room is set up.

However, It is pretty well established that mushrooms benefit from intense direct light during the pinning and fruiting stages.

I've never used sunlight so I've not done the research do not have the experience to speak of it honestly. But, there are some who use indirect sunlight. My fruiting tubs get indirect sunlight too during the summer months because of the long days.





yeah i do the total opposite. i have indirect light coming in through the window that has the window blinds about 90% closed. this is enough to get a full flush pinset from start to finish for me with no special lighting. and im not saying the lighting doesn't work but i think the more direct light will give you better upright growth. i find the indirect light will often have my flushes going in all different directions but it makes no difference to me. i like the fact that i don't have to hook one more thing up to the plug. im already a little sketchy of leaving the fan on all day or a ceiling fan on all day. with the way china manufacturers things these days, like fans ect they break easily.

i still put all my jars in a draft free area. that draft free area usually has no light. it hasn't deterred growth in the jars in any way. but ive also placed colonizing jars on a shelf with ambient light. it also hasn't deterred growth in any way. side by side colonization times are about exactly the same. so dependent upon your setup, either one works.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: eatyualive]
    #20582610 - 09/18/14 07:06 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, during fruiting my tubs get direct light. I wonder if sometimes the intensity or amount of lighting is a little over rated. I've seen several grows with no or low light that didn't turn out well.

I need to experiment with this more because I've just been following the masses for the most part, but it hasn't done me wrong. I should try no electric lights and just window light and see what happens. I'm gonna wait until I have some proven cultures first though.


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