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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: Abshroom] * 1
    #20490944 - 08/28/14 09:26 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20522900 - 09/05/14 05:05 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

so this weekend im about to try your magnet filters on my two tubs. im also going to cut back the black plastic like so for the 2 tubs im doing. i think i am going to follow your substrate CVG recipe, and fruiting style just to give it a go. but with wbs grain! i got too much spawn, not enough time. its a good problem to have.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20525141 - 09/05/14 05:18 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

im making this mix now but im adding supercake to it. the volume of this recipe doubled is almost exactly 4 turkey tins or 16 quarts by volume of substrate. its just a little bit lower.

this would equate for me to 5 cups expanded strawnet and 1 brick coir for 2 tubs=2 bricks coir/ 4 quarts verm/ 2 cups gypsum CVG

we are using the same substrate volume but i use 1 quart less spawn. but this run im going to do 5 quarts spawn per tub because i have the extra spawn to spare!

looking forward to using the magnet filters. I am also going to bust out my ancient original huge iris tubs i used for dub tubs. i think it has to be 70-80 quarts at least. i may need to increase my volume of substrate.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20528159 - 09/06/14 11:24 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

ive done 4 tubs using CVG last night and this morning. i added a little coffee and some supercake forumala to all 4.
two are in my new tubs with 1.5" holes. 2 are in my old 70-75 quart iris tubs. these are the best. the surface area is larger because the tubs are wider and longer. One tub has 3 holes on each side, the other tub has 3 holes on the long side, 1 on the short sides. all have 1" holes. i don't have the time to cut that many holes to update these tubs and im real lazy after working about 12 hours straight on spawn and bulk subs.


I am currently running F+, Tex Yellow Cap, R44, Thai Lipa Yai all with 5 quarts spawn to the ratio in this thread. which is pretty much the exact substrate volume i use anyway. so its very similar. id like to see if there is any difference in yield from the different tubs. i always found the old iris tubs i have had the best yield because there was so much more surface area for fruiting. the tubs are also taller. in incubation where i can set 2 of my other sterilites, only 1 iris tub fits. they are big fuckers. i also even cut the liner for shits and giggles. but i have to say, it was a pain in the ass cutting the liner and left my tub open longer than i normally let it stay open. i know i hear oh adding a lid to this or doing this is adding another vector for contamination. that could also be said about cutting the liner as well as adding box tape to hold the liner in.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: TheChief]
    #20528324 - 09/06/14 12:06 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

1 tub is 5 quarts of spawn to 15 quarts of substrate(when i expanded mine with the two quarts of verm and the small brick of eco earth it comes out to this for me)

1:3 ratio. spawn to substrate by volume.

i also added 2 cups gypsum, 1 cup supercake and about 1/2 cup used coffee grounds. that may make mine a little different. its a higher spawn ratio than i normally use.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: spacechildo]
    #20528584 - 09/06/14 01:19 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

also the substrate was packed loosely. id imagine if it were packed tight into the measuring quart it would be about 10 quarts like spitball is saying. loose though its about 15 total for me. i actually measured exactly this time. and i put 4 quarts perfectly with room to spare into each turkey tin that i use for pasteurization. two tubs =16 quarts for me.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: pawnzy]
    #20532336 - 09/07/14 09:12 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

spj, im posting this because i followed your tek. if you want me to remove it out of the thread let me know.

this is day 2 after a spawn session using CVG/supercake formula/coffee 5 quarts spawn

R44


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im lucky i got these pictures my camera is junking out on me again. this is the 3rd time this same model has done the same exact error with the lense error. i love the camera but damn im going to have to use another brand.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
    #20532350 - 09/07/14 09:18 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

this gypsum has a fishy smell to it. reminds me of the smell of organic kelp meal. very similar smell. the supercake addition makes it smell like coconut. so this substrate smells like fishy coconuts lmao!


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20541626 - 09/09/14 05:07 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

sbj,

what is your normal timing to put tubs into fruiting. i see your doing day 8. i do something very similar. is this always consistent by +/- a day?

most of the pictures from day 8 till day 16 will look very similar i see no point in posting every day by day once its in fruiting. go straight to pins! its hard taking pictures everyday.




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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20544532 - 09/09/14 06:48 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

a prefruit dunk! nice...:cool:

i also had one dry out myself. due to my the thing holding the fan up broke and the fan pointed at the tub for 12 hours before i got home. sucks.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20544677 - 09/09/14 07:24 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

yeah i used to keep my poly stuffed in tight and use a ceiling fan. so my circulation was a little more forced. ive been using this for years. but the ceiling fan junked out. so im actually doing the fan against the wall. its proving troublesome for me because im having a tough time putting it in the right spot for all the tubs stacked to get proper air exchange. some seem to get perfect air exchange and others none at all. i tossed two tubs to contams because of co2 buildup. im hoping i can get this setup working soon. the tubs on top were getting real good air exchange. but then the tubs at the bottom dried out because my support screw fucked up.

were you running a stand up fan and a ceiling fan in the same room?

yeah you could have a ton of air circulation going on. especially if the tub is drying.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: E.FTS]
    #20576964 - 09/16/14 08:14 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

hey sbj did you get an update?


so im trying to compare notes. with the TLY i had pinning begin 11 days after spawn. the supercake speeds up the colonization times. the other strains are a little slower.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20576993 - 09/16/14 08:22 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

yeah ive fucked half my tubs up. i still can't dial in this fan right on my setup. ive tried a few things. my next step is to try a closet. it sux because all my ape tubs dried out. so im dunking soon and that should take care of that. thats whats happening to my tex also. it still knotting but it would probably be faster than the TLY if it didn't dry out 3 days into fruiting conditions.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20577178 - 09/16/14 08:56 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

i generally knock down the rh once fruiting begins. if not water pools heavily in the bottom of the tubs. my issue was that this fan has a piece that holds it in place so if you wanted to point it up at an angle it holds the fan. well that piece keeps loosening. i just need to put together the new fan. just worn out. probably tomororow. i know if something dries out ill just dunk it or sink spray it a little like you did. its just a matter of me getting of my ass. i just did a clone and im worn out.

i use more forced air from a ceiling fan usually so im trying to get this thing working. still have random issues. but ill get it fixed soon enough.

its always the two tubs on the bottom right for me. next to the fan. then i adjust it and its not enough movement for any of the tubs. i just need to position it better so that the air circulates around the tubs. im basically skimming the back of the tubs. the room is also very big. so i just need to get off my ass and setup the damn closet. ive just been extremely busy.



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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpinScratch]
    #20580977 - 09/17/14 07:30 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

nothing complicated but the fan will be pushing the air against the wall and i feel that the ricochet off the other walls will create more of a current around the tubs. the way i have it now its only pushing the air around the back and one side. i mean its working. and maybe i jumped the gun too soon but i can tell the larger tubs i have are having some issues. they for 1 need bigger holes. 2 i may need to figure out how to reposition them properly. ive been messing around but haven't quite figured it out.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20582476 - 09/18/14 05:12 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Supposedly, light is beneficial in all stages of growth. I've done some side by sides with MS grain jars and noticed no difference, some were in dark and some were in ambient light. But, like I said, it was MS and I've only done the test a couple of times; far from conclusive.

During colonization of jars and tubs, I make no special effort to keep them in dark or light. All my colonizing jars get ambient sunlight from a window and if I have tubs fruiting they get the ambient light from that too. This is just how my room is set up.

However, It is pretty well established that mushrooms benefit from intense direct light during the pinning and fruiting stages.

I've never used sunlight so I've not done the research do not have the experience to speak of it honestly. But, there are some who use indirect sunlight. My fruiting tubs get indirect sunlight too during the summer months because of the long days.





yeah i do the total opposite. i have indirect light coming in through the window that has the window blinds about 90% closed. this is enough to get a full flush pinset from start to finish for me with no special lighting. and im not saying the lighting doesn't work but i think the more direct light will give you better upright growth. i find the indirect light will often have my flushes going in all different directions but it makes no difference to me. i like the fact that i don't have to hook one more thing up to the plug. im already a little sketchy of leaving the fan on all day or a ceiling fan on all day. with the way china manufacturers things these days, like fans ect they break easily.

i still put all my jars in a draft free area. that draft free area usually has no light. it hasn't deterred growth in the jars in any way. but ive also placed colonizing jars on a shelf with ambient light. it also hasn't deterred growth in any way. side by side colonization times are about exactly the same. so dependent upon your setup, either one works.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20584792 - 09/18/14 05:28 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, during fruiting my tubs get direct light. I wonder if sometimes the intensity or amount of lighting is a little over rated. I've seen several grows with no or low light that didn't turn out well.

I need to experiment with this more because I've just been following the masses for the most part, but it hasn't done me wrong. I should try no electric lights and just window light and see what happens. I'm gonna wait until I have some proven cultures first though.





ive been doing this for years without using any type of artificial lighting. its never caused any issues for me. alot of what people claim is bullshit.

with a clone i can get full canopy flushes consistently, natural dim light, nothing special. no consolidation, none of this malarkey. even all this crap about endospores and dirty spawn. i call bullshit.

im illustrating this as well so people can get off the nutsack.

i know multispore can be hit or miss. but even with multispore you can get pretty consistent full canopy flushes with prints off good genetics.



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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20584866 - 09/18/14 05:45 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

nope. no difference at all. i grow all year long also man. the only issues i have is that the heat during the summers can cause me a bit higher contams. like for instance, if i have an old culture im working with. it definitely has alot more trouble during the summer months than the winter.

but thats usually because im using 7 year old clone material. or 5 year old clone material. i just did an ape clone ala 9er tek. i see growth now, im excited!

it never hurts to try dim light.

and im not saying that lighting doesn't help. but i feel it isn't necessary. i do feel the stronger lighting does give the flush more upright growth. i get scattered growth with certain strains. but that was mostly burma, those things have a mind of their own. i have other strains like for instance A strain that even with dim light grows perfectly upright.

here is an example.

A strain very dim light.



burma strain very dim light.



tasmanian strain very dim light



some strains kind of have a mind of their own.

i used to use artificial lighting when i first was growing. i also was using dim light coming in through the window with the shades. i found that both worked fine. so why plug in the light? now if your trying to go stealthy, then the light makes sense to me. but for cubensis. direct light isn't necessary. ive seen fields covered with tree canopy that have massive amounts of fruit with dim light.

i can see how if your growing in a dark closet, light would be necessary but it all depends on your setup. and maybe geographic location and window location on the house may play a factor for some people. for me its never caused an issue and ive grown in several different north, south, east, west orientations of rooms. all consistent growth. most of the time. my blinds in the grow room are almost closed. so really the only light coming in the room is dim.

ive grown fruits in yards, outdoors under shrubs with indirect light. they fruit very veritcally.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: Dilated]
    #20586037 - 09/18/14 09:52 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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I have done trays of Galindoi where I rotated the tray a part turn every day once or twice, and made whole trays of spiraled mushrooms.  All had 2-3 complete rotations.
So light is DEFINITELY a directional guide.

But... light is in part a pinning trigger.
Light indicates the exposure to open air, the place mushrooms are intended to grow into, the place where spores will be carried away to a potential future.
Light also signifies imminent death, and thus the need for the reproduction phase.

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IME/IMO, from least to most influential:

6. Signs of decreasing availability of water ("evaporation from substrate") - but even that one not so much, lest my cakes wouldn't have such great results when cased and bottom-watered.
5. Light stimulation of the culture (both a sign of potential sunbathing as well as imminent death)
4. Constantly saturation humidity micro-climate suitable for knotting (it's somewhat circumstantial that evaporation from bulk subs provides this)
3. Air exchange (increased availability of oxygen relative to carbon dioxide emitted)
2. Full colonization of substrate (no more food, imminent death)
1. No- or Low-nutrition pinning sites








ha thats cool. do you have a picture?

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I live by myself with a spare bedroom so I can take advantage of the extra space.




Man I'd kill for an extra bedroom.  I'd do like eatyualive and let the natural light from the windows come in and turn on the ceiling fan.  You guys suck :wink:





man the mount in my ceiling for the ceiling fan is broken. i have to fix it. its just a matter of when i have free time to do so. otherwise the fan is going to fall off onto the floor. sad. im using a stand up fan now and its not cooperating lol...

short term solution for now. yeah fortunately i have a spare room, a big metal steel storage closet and another closet that has enough room to stack at least 10 tubs.


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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20586258 - 09/18/14 10:34 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

well ive already tried remounting it twice. now i actually have to go into the attic and fix the entire wiring/mount/ect. fuck.


the one i have has a low setting which is somewhat working. but the room is so big that the air current pushes off the back of the wall and away from the tubs. im hoping putting it in that closet will force the air around to the other tubs. sometimes the tubs look dialed in. sometimes they don't. it seems to change with the hour. ive tried it 20 different ways. but unfortunately all these fruiting tubs are going to be done when im out of town. boo..


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