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SpitballJedi
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Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting 14
#20470129 - 08/24/14 01:44 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is part of my series "The Basics"
The spawning part is short and simple. It's so simple, there are very few teks because it's taken for granted that it's easy to picture in your mind. But, occasionally people ask about the actual spawning part of the teks, so I did a write-up.
Here, I will be showing how easy it is to spawn to bulk. Spawning to bulk is the act of taking your spawn and mixing it with a bulk substrate.
I will be mixing Rye Grain Spawn with CVG in a monotub.
First, I pour in my already prepared bulk substrate, in this case CVG. Then I pour in my spawn. I'm using 5 quart size jars, about 5/8 to 3/4 full, of GT and about 10 quarts of CVG for this write-up, that's about 2:1 sub:spawn. My spawn has been dunked. This all goes in the monotub.

Then, using gloved hands, I mix it all up real good and even and level it out. I don't pack it down. I find using the back of my hand to smooth it out keeps me from packing it down. Maybe it's a habit form concrete finishing. I wear a glove because I don't like digging the substrate out from under my fingernails later.
Mixed and leveled

After mixing and leveling, I use scissors to cut the plastic liner down to close to substrate depth. Leave a little extra if you plan to use a casing later. I won't be for this tub.

Liner is trimmed

I will use this thread to update the grow as it developed.
Lid is on, labeled, and ready to colonize. All the holes are covered and the imperfect lid will allow for GE. It's getting indirect light in the grow room.

1 Day

3 Days

5 Days

8 days Put in to fruiting conditions today

14 Days (6 days in fruiting) There is a lot of knotting and a couple of pins. I fist saw knots a couple of days ago. There was some drying around the bottom holes so I turned off my fan yesterday and misted. My apologies for the time gap, It's been a very busy week.

17 Days (9 Days fruiting) The day after the last pic, I felt the top of my sub was drying out too much, especially around the bottom holes. It turns out, my HVAC was creating a lot of air circulation in the room when it kicked on, so I covered the vent.
Then, I poured enough water on top of the sub to cover it, about 1/4" -1/2" of water and let it sit for about 5 hours. Then, I poured it off and sprayed the top with my kitchen sink sprayer to kind of wash it. I let the excess drain off. I did this by just tilting the tub. I didn't take the sub out. So, that was day before yesterday.
This is what it looks like now:

The areas around the bottom holes are still a little yellowish, but they are recovering and have pins forming now.
Let this be a lesson. Too much air circulation can be a bad thing.
20 days (12 Days Fruiting)
It looks like I may get some smaller fruits. It could be genetics and/or having to mess with it the other day. I turned my ceiling fan back on because of the fuzzy feet.
Edited by SpitballJedi (09/12/14 08:42 PM)
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi] 1
#20471298 - 08/24/14 06:40 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Updated OP:
1 Day
Edited by SpitballJedi (08/26/14 11:13 AM)
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi] 1
#20480605 - 08/26/14 06:10 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Updated OP: 3 Days
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi] 1
#20490566 - 08/28/14 07:59 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Updated OP:
5 Days
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20503275 - 08/31/14 08:00 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Updated OP:
8 days Put in to fruiting conditions today
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20528155 - 09/06/14 11:23 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Updated OP:
14 Days (6 days in fruiting) There is a lot of knotting and a couple of pins. I fist saw knots a couple of days ago. There was some drying around the bottom holes so I turned off my fan yesterday and misted. My apologies for the time gap, It's been a very busy week.
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: pawnzy]
#20532336 - 09/07/14 09:12 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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spj, im posting this because i followed your tek. if you want me to remove it out of the thread let me know.
this is day 2 after a spawn session using CVG/supercake formula/coffee 5 quarts spawn
R44
TLY

im lucky i got these pictures my camera is junking out on me again. this is the 3rd time this same model has done the same exact error with the lense error. i love the camera but damn im going to have to use another brand.
Edited by eatyualive (09/07/14 09:14 AM)
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20544427 - 09/09/14 06:24 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Updated OP:
17 Days (9 Days fruiting) The day after the last pic, I felt the top of my sub was drying out too much, especially around the bottom holes. It turns out, my HVAC was creating a lot of air circulation in the room when it kicked on, so I covered the vent.
Then, I poured enough water on top of the sub to cover it, about 1/4" -1/2" of water and let it sit for about 5 hours. Then, I poured it off and sprayed the top with my kitchen sink sprayer to kind of wash it. I let the excess drain off. I did this by just tilting the tub. I didn't take the sub out. So, that was day before yesterday.
This is what it looks like now:

The areas around the bottom holes are still a little yellowish, but they are recovering and have pins forming now.
Let this be a lesson. Too much air circulation can be a bad thing.
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: TheChief]
#20547800 - 09/10/14 12:31 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have some EZ felt but I think they allow too much FAE. Everytime I use one as a filter for my grain jars it drys out the top grains and they don't colonize well. I've made plenty of filters for my bottom holes using my ironed polyfil tek and they work to precision.

Full canopy, no drying of the substrate, no fuzzy feet
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20559837 - 09/12/14 08:42 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Updated OP:
20 days (12 Days Fruiting)
It looks like I may get some smaller fruits. It could be genetics and/or having to mess with it the other day. I turned my ceiling fan back on because of the fuzzy feet.
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: Dilated]
#20560534 - 09/13/14 12:16 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: E.FTS]
#20560685 - 09/13/14 01:34 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Over5000 said:
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Dilated those tubs were amazing thanks for sharing such a delightful shrooms. Im drunk, cheeeeeeeers.
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpinScratch]
#20581100 - 09/17/14 08:08 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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SpinScratch said: SpitBall: This is a great write up. Very helpful. Thank you
Were there any lighting considerations in this project?
I follow standard lighting protocols. 12 on/12 off 6500K.
I use 4' double florescent tube lights. Here's a pic of my light set up. I only turn on the ones lined up with the shelves I'm fruiting on, but there's a light lined up with the top of each tub. You don't have to be this extensive, I just have the lights already. You can just hang one or two vertically behind the tubs.
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20584866 - 09/18/14 05:45 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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nope. no difference at all. i grow all year long also man. the only issues i have is that the heat during the summers can cause me a bit higher contams. like for instance, if i have an old culture im working with. it definitely has alot more trouble during the summer months than the winter.
but thats usually because im using 7 year old clone material. or 5 year old clone material. i just did an ape clone ala 9er tek. i see growth now, im excited!
it never hurts to try dim light.
and im not saying that lighting doesn't help. but i feel it isn't necessary. i do feel the stronger lighting does give the flush more upright growth. i get scattered growth with certain strains. but that was mostly burma, those things have a mind of their own. i have other strains like for instance A strain that even with dim light grows perfectly upright.
here is an example.
A strain very dim light.

burma strain very dim light.

tasmanian strain very dim light

some strains kind of have a mind of their own.
i used to use artificial lighting when i first was growing. i also was using dim light coming in through the window with the shades. i found that both worked fine. so why plug in the light? now if your trying to go stealthy, then the light makes sense to me. but for cubensis. direct light isn't necessary. ive seen fields covered with tree canopy that have massive amounts of fruit with dim light.
i can see how if your growing in a dark closet, light would be necessary but it all depends on your setup. and maybe geographic location and window location on the house may play a factor for some people. for me its never caused an issue and ive grown in several different north, south, east, west orientations of rooms. all consistent growth. most of the time. my blinds in the grow room are almost closed. so really the only light coming in the room is dim.
ive grown fruits in yards, outdoors under shrubs with indirect light. they fruit very veritcally.
Edited by eatyualive (09/18/14 05:48 PM)
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: Alex Oxblood]
#20585453 - 09/18/14 08:05 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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probably and probably. You'll have to be the judge.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777#17332777
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FrankHorrigan said: A good indicator of good FAE is a line of evaporation running down one or both sides of the tub from the top holes. The rest of the walls should be covered in condensation, except for small rings around the bottom holes.

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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: eatyualive]
#20585779 - 09/18/14 09:08 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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eatyualive said: nope. no difference at all. i grow all year long also man. the only issues i have is that the heat during the summers can cause me a bit higher contams. like for instance, if i have an old culture im working with. it definitely has alot more trouble during the summer months than the winter.
but thats usually because im using 7 year old clone material. or 5 year old clone material. i just did an ape clone ala 9er tek. i see growth now, im excited!
it never hurts to try dim light.
and im not saying that lighting doesn't help. but i feel it isn't necessary. i do feel the stronger lighting does give the flush more upright growth. i get scattered growth with certain strains. but that was mostly burma, those things have a mind of their own. i have other strains like for instance A strain that even with dim light grows perfectly upright.
here is an example.
A strain very dim light.

burma strain very dim light.

tasmanian strain very dim light

some strains kind of have a mind of their own.
i used to use artificial lighting when i first was growing. i also was using dim light coming in through the window with the shades. i found that both worked fine. so why plug in the light? now if your trying to go stealthy, then the light makes sense to me. but for cubensis. direct light isn't necessary. ive seen fields covered with tree canopy that have massive amounts of fruit with dim light.
i can see how if your growing in a dark closet, light would be necessary but it all depends on your setup. and maybe geographic location and window location on the house may play a factor for some people. for me its never caused an issue and ive grown in several different north, south, east, west orientations of rooms. all consistent growth. most of the time. my blinds in the grow room are almost closed. so really the only light coming in the room is dim.
ive grown fruits in yards, outdoors under shrubs with indirect light. they fruit very veritcally.
Light does play a role in the direction of the mushrooms, ( I know RR will call bullshit on this, but I have trays to prove they will lean toward the light. I believe it helps with the cap formation, but that is about it.
Light is not a pinning trigger, which was believed when I started growing back in 2005-6 ish. But it is definitely helpful for fruit development.
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: eatyualive]
#20587407 - 09/19/14 08:49 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Violet said: I have done trays of Galindoi where I rotated the tray a part turn every day once or twice, and made whole trays of spiraled mushrooms. All had 2-3 complete rotations. So light is DEFINITELY a directional guide.
ha thats cool. do you have a picture?
Wish I did. It was before I got very heavily into Shroomery. Have pictures of so many things, but not that... Maybe one day I'll do it again. But I wouldn't be surprised if someone else does first.
This is the closest I have. Not spiraled, but directional. You can see where the light is relative to the tub;
 This was a totally set-and-forget run, so the tub was never re-oriented to the light. Thus this happened.

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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20626313 - 09/27/14 02:58 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: Updated OP:
20 days (12 Days Fruiting)
It looks like I may get some smaller fruits. It could be genetics and/or having to mess with it the other day. I turned my ceiling fan back on because of the fuzzy feet.

My 6 quart monotub just exhibited two of those little pinheads. Am I ready to fruit yet?
I read somewhere you should wait one week after you see your first pinhead, to ensure "consolidation."
Also, what are you looking at when you take a mono from spawn stage to fruiting? People say it should be "fully colonized," but visually, it looks different from a "fully colonized" grain jar. Grain jars are nearly whited out, whereas with monotubs, it seems webbier... although I've seen a pic of a completely whited out monotub before. Looked like whipped cream on top.
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: Alex Oxblood]
#20641736 - 09/30/14 06:53 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Spawning to Bulk and Fruiting [Re: moonsphere]
#20667282 - 10/06/14 04:08 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Check This out, I started seeing my first pins the other day. now 2 days later they have multiplied a lot.
Im wondering, can I expect more pins to form? Do they come at different times? Is there any way to make them grow faster? What can I do to yield bigger fruits? ( Im guessing genetics is what it is?)
Tub A

Tub B
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