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Re: sympatric specification in the genus Psilocybe [Re: Anno]
#2044404 - 10/26/03 09:51 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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The big question is what kind of factors would produce sympatric specification in on geographical region??
The particular environmental conditions such as the introduction of trees or woodchips or mulch into scertain regions. Inthe wild those shrooms are rare and few. In man made environments they are abundant.
Baeocystis are only in Oregon Wasshingtopn and in BC, Canada.
The majority of Psilocybe species are in Mexico with over 50 somthing recognized species.
The Bohemica is really not similar at all to P. cyanescens. The WElii are a tropical species although they are in Georgia and are closely aligned to p. caerulescens and not to the oterhs. And the Baeos are only found in the PNW as are the P. stuntzzi, while a si,milar species P. fimetaria is found in the UK and some parts of Europe.
You must also not forget theat Australia is rich in many plants and animals which only exist in Australia and nowhere else in the world.
I am one of theee people who found Amanita muscaria on Kuaui in the hawaiian archipelego. They appraently came to Hawaii with the introduction of Flash Pines formthe USA inthe late 1800s.
To try top figure out where Cleland's subaeruginosa originated is not so much as was it imported, (a doubtful thought) as to what lind of trees were imported into Australia. In Mexico, P. caerulescens, adccording to the Late Roger Heim (pronounced as 'em') have as many as four to six variations.
And as yyou know from reading Chang and mill paper on subs in australia, they left it even more confusing than Awatling and Guzman or Margot and Waight.
Have a shroomy day. I think the australian species belong there except maybe the Copes and cubes and the liberty caps.
The Purpurata is an austral Floral zone shroom found down under in australia, chili and argentina, although now it is widespread throughout Europe. The real question is maybe it occured there naturally and did not appear in pig manure with woodchips imported from south America.
I have examine P. bohemica from Gartz, fresh and dried and they really bare no resemplence to P. cyanescens. Maybe microscoically they could be similar but macroscopically they are a little similar in color appearance to P. cyanofibrilosa which can have two varieties , a small one and a large one. Even Baeocystis has a v arity which does not get taller than 1-2 inches in mulch.
And there are some cyans which only grow to the one to two inch sizes and never any bigger.
However I noticed Copelandias ontheir end flushings always produce small mini shrooms as is evident inthese photos of a 21 day growth, photographed every three days for a 21 day period. Now these mushrooms appeared the next day after no manure was inthe spot where they were gerowing implying they grew inthe cows stomach, which is known to occur.
If you look and see o how fresh and dark black this cow pie was. these were the only specimens of Copelandia tropicalis collected in Hawaii in 12 years and over two hundred collections icentified as other copelandias other than tropicalis. I came back every three days to take a picture and watched them get smaler and smaller with each third day.
http://mushroomjohn.com/cult2.htm
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Re: sympatric specification in the genus Psilocybe [Re: ]
#2086163 - 11/09/03 08:22 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I klegally studied magic shrooms in Hawaii for 12 years on a daily basis at numerous raches trhroughouot the islands. The Hawaii species are introduced speci9es which came in witht he catltle form Capt. George vancouver in the late 1790s and early 1800s. The Amanita muscaria on Kuaui came in wth the Flash Pines which were transplantwed to Hawaii from the PNW. The five species of copelandia include the Copelandia cyanesens the predominant shroom in Hawaii. Followed by C. cambodigeniensis, P. bispora (Only previously found in West africa, and now known of from near Bern, Switzerland (One large lawn collection at a church) P. anoml ala and the rare Copelandia tropicalis. The majority of herbarium deposits included over two hundred collections of Copelandia cyanescens one, 21 collections of Copelandia cambodigeniensis (Only known of previously from Cambodia and Peru), 3 collections of C. bispora and one each of C. anmopmala and C. tropicalis. There are no P. cubeisns in Hawaii other than those grown indoors in someones basement, cellar or attifc. mj There is also a strict law against the introduction of botanical specimens and certain species of both plant and animals which are not allowed in Hawaii. mj ASs for carrying spores onto airplanes into Hawaii is possible, their subsequent growth is not. Asked the many people who find large patches of stuntzii or cyanescenss in one locvation and then asked them if they carried the spores to the next lawn down the street or across the street. Especially after crawling around on a lawn for several hours and then going to a nother lawn. Yes they carry spores but that does not make them grow nextr door. One piece of sod with blue ringers is equal to a whole pasture where they are spread arop9nd all over. mj
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Re: sympatric specification in the genus Psilocybe [Re: pluteus]
#2119678 - 11/18/03 12:07 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pluteus, Greaat post. I am going to send a copy to the leading botanist in hawaii, Dr. mark merlin who has writeen numerous fierld guides to the various plants and their ecological conditions in hawaii.
Mark, as you may or may not know wrote seven shroom papers with me and i wrote two papers for his books ont he plants of Chuuck and yap islands, basically on introdu ed species and also ontheir uses by indigenous peoples of the marshall Islands, micronesia, polynesia and melanesia.
I will ask for his p opinion of the paper.
and get back to you later on. have a shroomy day.
mj
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Re: sympatric specification in the genus Psilocybe [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2122037 - 11/19/03 07:23 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I received a reply from Mark Merlin after sending him the complete thread. he said it was too long and he was too busy to read it all to give a response. So I am going to send it to Dr. George Wong, the head mycologist at the university of hawaii for a response.
mj
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