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Bible Evidence That Jesus is Satan, Praise Jesus = Hail Satan
    #20441689 - 08/19/14 09:28 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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cez said:
I think that person needs to revisit their Jesus teachings, for Jesus never condemned anybody and therefore if one wants to live like Jesus and promotes Jesus as God, one should know that God has condemned him (or her) not, and therefore neither should he (or her)



You may be selectively reading the scriptures, by my reading Jesus is a mean son of a bitch...


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Revelation 14:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:





If this is true and the Holy Angels and Lamb (Jesus) is in the presence of the fire in hell tormenting souls then your angels and your Jesus are demons and Satan. The Christian religion has completely flipped. Isn't this what your Satan does? Torments people in hell? Oh now I see, its clear now that we see Jesus and Satan are the same person.


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Matthew 7:21-23  King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.



So do you want to do a Pascal's wager type of thing and say well I might as well believe because if I don't its the fire. Well guess what there's still a strong likelihood Jesus will look you in the eyes and say "fuck you I never knew you". Jesus condemns a ton of people, burns them with fire, even Christian people. This is what your Jesus wants to do to you.  :flamethrow:

You can praise Jesus but he's the one who's threatening to burn people and threatening to set them on fire if they don't think like he demands.

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Mark 9:49
For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.



And didn't Jesus come to baptize with fire? HE WANTS TO BURN YOU WITH FIRE! ISN'T THAT WHAT SATAN DOES? Shouldn't you know what kind of god you worship and submit yourself to? He wants to burn YOU:onfire:


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Re: Bible Evidence That Jesus is Satan, Praise Jesus = Hail Satan [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #20441703 - 08/19/14 09:32 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I think that's the beauty (or horror) of written word.  You may interpret as you will.

I think Jesus spoke mostly allegorically.  "Fire" according to my interpretation, is not literal fire but rather our individual wills which burn until the cessation of our bodies.


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Re: Bible Evidence That Jesus is Satan, Praise Jesus = Hail Satan [Re: cez] * 1
    #20441724 - 08/19/14 09:37 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Very interesting and well written ED. :kaneclap:


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Re: Bible Evidence That Jesus is Satan, Praise Jesus = Hail Satan [Re: cez]
    #20441731 - 08/19/14 09:41 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I was raised in an evangelical Christian home. I was taught the Bible is the literal word of God and I believed it during my boyhood and youth. The idea of it being a spiritual or allegorical fire in hell is not what I and millions of other Christian people were taught to believe. That is not why I feared god. It was because of sermons similar to "sinners in the hands of an angry god" by Jonathan Edwards.

The most famous verse int he new testament...

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John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.




Born again people like to put the emphasis on "whosoever" to make it look like God is merciful. The emphasis should be on "believeth" to emphasize that it is a thought crime this so called just god wants to burn and torture you for. What kind of a being wants to torture other beings for thought crimes? Not me, I want people to think and use their minds, but Jesus does threaten you with fire and torture if you don't think like he demands ... :satan:


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Re: Bible Evidence That Jesus is Satan, Praise Jesus = Hail Satan [Re: Tmethyl]
    #20441740 - 08/19/14 09:43 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

What's very interesting about taking a literal interpretation about a book that was written thousands of years ago?

We do not even communicate in the same language with one another today and you want to believe the language spoken of back then is the same as it is now?


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Re: Bible Evidence That Jesus is Satan, Praise Jesus = Hail Satan [Re: cez] * 1
    #20441742 - 08/19/14 09:44 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, they're pretty much the same. They're both bullshit.

A man that can walk on water, was birthed by a virgin, who was seeded by a ghost? Fuck off with all that noise. 

If anyone said a story like that these days, they'd be called crazy and laughed at.

If anyone truly believes a story like that, they should be called crazy.

The idea of needing a book/ a story to be good people shows exactly how evolved we truly are NOT. Once we can be good people with out stupid stories that scare people, we will be on the right track to evolving prosperously. Besides, look around, and it doesn't take much to recognize religion separates people and fuels war.


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Re: Bible Evidence That Jesus is Satan, Praise Jesus = Hail Satan [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #20441749 - 08/19/14 09:46 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I was raised in an evangelical Christian home. I was taught the Bible is the literal word of God and I believed it during my boyhood and youth. The idea of it being a spiritual or allegorical fire in hell is not what I and millions of other Christian people were taught to believe. That is not why I feared god. It was because of sermons similar to "sinners in the hands of an angry god" by Jonathan Edwards.

The most famous verse int he new testament...

Quote:

John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.




Born again people like to put the emphasis on "whosoever" to make it look like God is merciful. The emphasis should be on "believeth" to emphasize that it is a thought crime this so called just god wants to burn and torture you for. What kind of a being wants to torture other beings for thought crimes? Not me, I want people to think and use their minds, but Jesus does threaten you with fire and torture if you don't think like he demands ... :satan:





I'm sorry religion fucked you and you are unable to gain insight from his teachings  :satansmoking:


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Re: Bible Evidence That Jesus is Satan, Praise Jesus = Hail Satan [Re: cez]
    #20441783 - 08/19/14 09:53 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I have lots of insights. Most of my insights into the teachings and doctrines would have been impossible without a strict religious upbringing in which I read the KJV several times cover to cover believing it literally. :strokebeard:


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Re: Bible Evidence That Jesus is Satan, Praise Jesus = Hail Satan [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #20441864 - 08/19/14 10:10 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I have lots of insights. Most of my insights into the teachings and doctrines would have been impossible without a strict religious upbringing in which I read the KJV several times cover to cover believing it literally. :strokebeard:




You and I it seems had the same upbringing. For me it was fundy baptist.  The hardest work I've ever had to do was to break that back of that early programming of fear and then call christians out on the negative religion they preach. 

It basically destroyed most of my happiness in childhood and beyond.

If there was a Jesus I surely hope he'd be as disgusted by Christianity as I am.


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Re: Bible Evidence That Jesus is Satan, Praise Jesus = Hail Satan [Re: Icelander]
    #20441886 - 08/19/14 10:15 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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If there was a Jesus I surely hope he'd be as disgusted by Christianity as I am.



I think he would, I would even go as far to say Buddhism would shame Buddha, after all Jesus was not a Christian, Buddha was not a Buddhist.

Some stuff from ET which I agree with:

"And so religions, to a large extent, became divisive rather than unifying forces. Instead of bringing about the end of violence and hatred through a realization of the fundamental oneness in all life, they brought more violence and hatred, more divisions between people as well as different religions, and even in the same religion. They became ideologies, belief systems that people could identify with and so use them to enhance their false sense of self. Through them, they could make themselves "right" and others "wrong" and thus define their identity through their enemies, "others", the "nonbelievers" or "wrong believers" who not infrequently they saw themselves justified in killing. Man made God in his own image. The eternal, the infinite, the unnameable, was reduced to a mental idol.

Many people are already aware of the difference of spirituality and religion, they realize that having a belief system--a set of thoughts you regard as absolute truth--does not make you spiritual no matter what the nature of those beliefs is. In fact, the more you make those thoughts(beliefs) into your identity, the more you are cut off from the spiritual dimension within yourself. Many "religious" people are stuck at that level. They equate truth with thought, and as they are completely identified with thought(their mind), they claim to be in sole possession of the truth in an unconscious attempt to protect their identity. They don't realize the limitations of thought. Unless you believe(think) exactly as they do, you are wrong in their eyes, and in the not too-distant-past they would have felt justified in killing you for that. And some still do, even now."


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Re: Bible Evidence That Jesus is Satan, Praise Jesus = Hail Satan [Re: Icelander]
    #20441944 - 08/19/14 10:28 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I have lots of insights. Most of my insights into the teachings and doctrines would have been impossible without a strict religious upbringing in which I read the KJV several times cover to cover believing it literally. :strokebeard:




You and I it seems had the same upbringing. For me it was fundy baptist.  The hardest work I've ever had to do was to break that back of that early programming of fear and then call christians out on the negative religion they preach. 

It basically destroyed most of my happiness in childhood and beyond.

If there was a Jesus I surely hope he'd be as disgusted by Christianity as I am.



I think we must have been raised with similar beliefs and had similar reactions with time. Our evolution since that initial rejection of false religion must have been different though. I'm not an athiest, although I was for a season shortly after I rejected Christianity.

Here's a childhood flashback for you. If you can listen to it objectivly. What do you think this sermon does to the minds of small children? As a child I had horrific mightmares about my grandparents and others I deeply loved burning in the fires of hell due to similar doctrines I was taught.


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Re: Bible Evidence That Jesus is Satan, Praise Jesus = Hail Satan [Re: Tmethyl]
    #20441948 - 08/19/14 10:29 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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"And so religions, to a large extent, became divisive rather than unifying forces. Instead of bringing about the end of violence and hatred through a realization of the fundamental oneness in all life, they brought more violence and hatred, more divisions between people as well as different religions, and even in the same religion. They became ideologies, belief systems that people could identify with and so use them to enhance their false sense of self. Through them, they could make themselves "right" and others "wrong" and thus define their identity through their enemies, "others", the "nonbelievers" or "wrong believers" who not infrequently they saw themselves justified in killing. Man made God in his own image. The eternal, the infinite, the unnameable, was reduced to a mental idol.



I hate posting this without posting the rest, because it's very relevant to this thread:

"and yet… in spite of all the insane deeds perpetrated in the
name of religion, the Truth to which they point still shines at their core. It
still shines, however dimly, through layers upon layers of distortion and
misinterpretation. It is unlikely, however, that you will be able to perceive it
there unless you have at least already had glimpse of that Truth within
yourself. Throughout history, there have always been rare individuals who
experienced a shift in consciousness and so realized within themselves that
toward which all religions point. To describe that non­conceptual Truth, they
then used the conceptual framework of their own religions
Through some of those men and women, “schools” or movements
developed within all major religions that represented not only a rediscovery,
but in some cases an intensification of the light of the original teaching. This
is how Gnosticism and mysticism came into existence in early and medieval
Christianity, Sufism in the Islamic religion, Hasidism and Kabbala in
Judaism, Advaita Vedanta in Hinduism, Zen and Dzogchen in Buddhism.
Most of these schools were iconoclastic. They did away with layers upon
layers of deadening conceptualization and mental belief structures, and for
this reason most of them were viewed with suspicion and often hostility by
the established religious hierarchies. Unlike mainstream religion, their
teachings emphasized realization and inner transformation. It is through
those esoteric schools or movements that the major religions regained the
transformative power of the original teachings, although in most cases, only
a small minority of people had access to them. Their numbers were never
large enough to have any significant impact on the deep collective
unconsciousness of the majority. Over time, some of those schools
themselves became too rigidly formalized or conceptualized to remain
effective."


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Re: Bible Evidence That Jesus is Satan, Praise Jesus = Hail Satan [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #20442353 - 08/19/14 12:16 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not an atheist in the possibly incorrect way you are likely meaning the term. :shrug:  I'm agnostic proper.


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Re: Bible Evidence That Jesus is Satan, Praise Jesus = Hail Satan [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #20443223 - 08/19/14 03:26 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

We have the technology to clone Jesus.


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Re: Bible Evidence That Jesus is Satan, Praise Jesus = Hail Satan [Re: sunshine]
    #20443513 - 08/19/14 04:34 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

dude:thumbup:


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Re: Bible Evidence That Jesus is Satan, Praise Jesus = Hail Satan [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #20443820 - 08/19/14 05:22 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Yes. I Praise Jesus and Hail Satan frequently. I don't believe there could or should ever be an end to violence though, that is ridiculous.
Seems to me the most exemplary entities are most effective in violence. How does a lion become vegetarian? The warlord can gut a monk without
squirming, the monk can be gutted without blinking an eye. They have both obtained ultimate acceptance. Seems to me that Christ hated organized religion. He made fools of the priests and they crucified him. Jesus likely had a damned good time down in hell, Christ and Satan plotting Elvis Presley and the Church Of Satan. Yeah that funnymental childhood really fucked me up too.


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Re: Bible Evidence That Jesus is Satan, Praise Jesus = Hail Satan [Re: Icelander]
    #20444860 - 08/19/14 08:28 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not an atheist in the possibly incorrect way you are likely meaning the term. :shrug:  I'm agnostic proper.



I always thought you were an athiest and our resident heretic. I've had an interesting progression myself. Perhaps even an uncommon one. :strokebeard:


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Re: Bible Evidence That Jesus is Satan, Praise Jesus = Hail Satan [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #20445172 - 08/19/14 09:11 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not certain of a creator but I actually lean in the direction of suspecting there is one.

You got that opinion of me most likely due to the fact that I am willing to dispute claims of absolute knowledge of this or that particular type of creator.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Bible Evidence That Jesus is Satan, Praise Jesus = Hail Satan [Re: Icelander]
    #20445504 - 08/19/14 10:17 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not an atheist in the possibly incorrect way you are likely meaning the term. :shrug:  I'm agnostic proper.



I always thought you were an athiest and our resident heretic. I've had an interesting progression myself. Perhaps even an uncommon one. :strokebeard:




I'm curious to read this progression if you'd be willing to elaborate...:popcorn:

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I'm not certain of a creator but I actually lean in the direction of suspecting there is one.





I also suspect there's something within the Father/Son/Holy Ghost trinity.  Certainly not saying Christianity is right, but if there is a creator I see how these concepts can line up.


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Re: Bible Evidence That Jesus is Satan, Praise Jesus = Hail Satan [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #20446358 - 08/20/14 12:44 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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And didn't Jesus come to baptize with fire? HE WANTS TO BURN YOU WITH FIRE! ISN'T THAT WHAT SATAN DOES? Shouldn't you know what kind of god you worship and submit yourself to? He wants to burn YOU:onfire:




God is Fire (Light).

To those who accept Them, They are Heaven.

To those who reject Them, They are Hell.

And Moses went up the mountain.
The cloud covered the mountain, and the glory of Yahweh settled on the mountain of Sinai; for six days the cloud covered it, and on the seventh day Yahweh called to Moses from inside the cloud. To the eyes of the children of Israel the glory of Yahweh seemed like a devouring fire on the mountain top.  Moses went right into the cloud.
–Exodus, 24, 15

We have been given possession of an unshakable kingdom. Let us therefore hold on to the grace that we have been given and use it to worship God in the way that (They) find acceptable, in reverence and fear. For our God is a consuming fire. – Hebrews, 12,28

  In Sion sinful people are terrified, the impious are seized with shuddering crying, “Oh who can live with such a devouring Fire? Who can live on, with such a lasting Flame?”
  Those who scorn to profit by oppression, those who will not clutch at any bribe, those who listen to no plans of murder, those who will not look at crime, those who live uprightly, just in word and deed, they shall dwell far out of reach of harm, as on a stronghold of a cliff, secure, their bread provided, their water sure.
– Isaiah, 33, 14


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