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easyskunkin
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Re: Maybe the biggest ego trip of all. [Re: cbub]
#20413387 - 08/13/14 02:08 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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cbub said: This word is almost as bad as "god". Everyone is talking about a different thing.
Yes that is my feeling too. It has a different meaning in a psychoanalytical, psychological, philosophical or religious context.
But I think the OP refers to the oriental religious meaning.
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Re: Maybe the biggest ego trip of all. [Re: easyskunkin]
#20413430 - 08/13/14 02:18 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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cbub said: This word is almost as bad as "god". Everyone is talking about a different thing.
Yes that is my feeling too. It has a different meaning in a psychoanalytical, psychological, philosophical or religious context.
But I think the OP refers to the oriental religious meaning.
It has a different meaning to every individual, and of such is different for each.. not that this makes anything easier..
As we cannot paint the picture, we draw the edges, outerlining it.. our words are an approximation of what it is like to see, described to a blind person.. when each of us are infact blind, only seeing what noone else can see, if we are talented at the craft..
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Re: Maybe the biggest ego trip of all. [Re: cbub]
#20413448 - 08/13/14 02:22 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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According to (Freud's) model of the psyche, the id is the set of uncoordinated instinctual trends; the super-ego plays the critical and moralizing role; and the ego is the organized, realistic part that mediates between the desires of the id and the super-ego. The super-ego can stop one from doing certain things that one's id may want to do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_%28Freudian%29#Ego
The word "ego" took on a new meaning when referring to Entheogens. Leary, (a psychologist) seemed to prefer to use the word "mind" as in his slogan "You have to go out of your mind in order to use your head."
The "mind" would seem to include the id, ego, and super-ego.
Although the super-ego would seem to be thought of as "good" since it controls "immoral" behavior -- and the id would be thought of as "bad" since it acts in an "animalistic" manner -- the revelations of Entheogens might often show that the instinctive feeling was correct, while the moralistic thought was incorrect.
But, I think that the word "ego" has come to represent false belief, or illusion (or evil).
I don't believe that it's possible for human beings to be completely free of illusion. But, I do believe that that is where God, (Entheogens) are at.
As He was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and asked Him, "Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone. -- Gospel of St. Mark, 10, 18
This is the message we have heard from Him and the message we are announcing to you: God is Light, in (Them) there is no darkness at all. - 1 St. John, 1, 5
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Re: Maybe the biggest ego trip of all. [Re: endogenous]
#20413456 - 08/13/14 02:24 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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endogenous said: According to (Freud's) model of the psyche, the id is the set of uncoordinated instinctual trends; the super-ego plays the critical and moralizing role; and the ego is the organized, realistic part that mediates between the desires of the id and the super-ego. The super-ego can stop one from doing certain things that one's id may want to do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_%28Freudian%29#Ego
The word "ego" took on a new meaning when referring to Entheogens. Leary, (a psychologist) seemed to prefer to use the word "mind" as in his slogan "You have to go out of your mind in order to use your head."
The "mind" would seem to include the id, ego, and super-ego.
Although the super-ego would seem to be thought of as "good" since it controls "immoral" behavior -- and the id would be thought of as "bad" since it acts in an "animalistic" manner -- the revelations of Entheogens might often show that the instinctive feeling was correct, while the moralistic thought was incorrect.
But, I think that the word "ego" has come to represent false belief, or illusion (or evil).
I don't believe that it's possible for human beings to be completely free of illusion. But, I do believe that that is where God, (Entheogens) are at.
As He was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and asked Him, "Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone. -- Gospel of St. Mark, 10, 18
This is the message we have heard from Him and the message we are announcing to you: God is Light, in (Them) there is no darkness at all. - 1 St. John, 1, 5
What if we are allways seeing the complete truth, but are inable to see it as such?
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Re: Maybe the biggest ego trip of all. [Re: Icyus]
#20413507 - 08/13/14 02:39 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, since humans have both God and Satan, part of us is seeing the truth. But, the question was whether it was possible to be free of "ego". If you are unable to see the truth as truth, then you are not free of the "ego".
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Re: Maybe the biggest ego trip of all. [Re: cbub]
#20414857 - 08/13/14 08:15 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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cbub said: This word is almost as bad as "god". Everyone is talking about a different thing.
I don't think I'm referring to it differently. Ego takes place in the brain, no? The brain is a part of the body, no? Ego is a set of circuitry that allows mammalian organisms to negotiate the terrain -- geographical, physical, mental, emotional, interpersonal -- of planet Earth. I therefore see no reason not to refer to it as a bodily function. It is brain circuitry; it is essentially like a machine, really. I find this picture elegant, but I repeat, it is not a different definition than the OP if one really looks at it.
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To me ego is just latin for "I". Which it is.. and italian would be "io" and german "ich". I would rather not have a 19th century psychoanalyst define it for me, I dont really trust his sanity. Simple, yet so complicated. To each their own sense of identification.
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Re: Maybe the biggest ego trip of all. [Re: cbub]
#20415182 - 08/13/14 09:28 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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cbub said: To me ego is just latin for "I". Which it is..
I share your definition. And I am only discussing it in what to many must be an unusual, though upon close inspection not spurious, perspective. I am not quibbling with your definition, or that of the OP. Mine is the same. And in my opinion, there is nothing simple about it.
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Re: Maybe the biggest ego trip of all. [Re: cbub]
#20415407 - 08/13/14 10:22 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is where it gets meta. So this "I" is something your body has, but body is also what the "I" consists of. Which is within which
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Re: Maybe the biggest ego trip of all. [Re: cbub]
#20415443 - 08/13/14 10:33 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just think of the ego as being fundamentally constructed out of brain circuitry. Now, the actual self in which the ego operates I do not see as being merely a classical, neuroelectrical circuit. Some writers have referred to the "false" self (which is the ego) and the "true" self, which as far as I know is nameless. Some deny the false self exists. Some deny the true self exists. C'est la vie, I suppose.
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DividedQuantum said: I just think of the ego as being fundamentally constructed out of brain circuitry. Now, the actual self in which the ego operates I do not see as being merely a classical, neuroelectrical circuit. Some writers have referred to the "false" self (which is the ego) and the "true" self, which as far as I know is nameless. Some deny the false self exists. Some deny the true self exists. C'est la vie, I suppose.
Imho, as the brain develops, there are phase sensitive learning periods in which our experiences hardwire (imprint) a subconscious set of belief systems, which act to filter our potentiality of experience into the way we actually interpret the world - our point of views, or egos. Everything from drugs, meditation, academics, arts can be used to expand our point of view and take fuller advantage of our human potential, or alternatively we suffocate ourselves in ever increasingly confined boxes of our own B.S. (belief systems). We never get rid of or kill our ego, but at our bests we continually hack it, tweak it, to experience reality on more positive levels.
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Re: Maybe the biggest ego trip of all. [Re: CosmicJoke]
#20431711 - 08/17/14 08:36 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: I just think of the ego as being fundamentally constructed out of brain circuitry. Now, the actual self in which the ego operates I do not see as being merely a classical, neuroelectrical circuit. Some writers have referred to the "false" self (which is the ego) and the "true" self, which as far as I know is nameless. Some deny the false self exists. Some deny the true self exists. C'est la vie, I suppose.
Imho, as the brain develops, there are phase sensitive learning periods in which our experiences hardwire (imprint) a subconscious set of belief systems, which act to filter our potentiality of experience into the way we actually interpret the world - our point of views, or egos. Everything from drugs, meditation, academics, arts can be used to expand our point of view and take fuller advantage of our human potential, or alternatively we suffocate ourselves in ever increasingly confined boxes of our own B.S. (belief systems). We never get rid of or kill our ego, but at our bests we continually hack it, tweak it, to experience reality on more positive levels.
Couldn't agree more. Well said.
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agreed
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Re: Maybe the biggest ego trip of all. [Re: CosmicJoke]
#20437464 - 08/18/14 01:34 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: I just think of the ego as being fundamentally constructed out of brain circuitry. Now, the actual self in which the ego operates I do not see as being merely a classical, neuroelectrical circuit. Some writers have referred to the "false" self (which is the ego) and the "true" self, which as far as I know is nameless. Some deny the false self exists. Some deny the true self exists. C'est la vie, I suppose.
Imho, as the brain develops, there are phase sensitive learning periods in which our experiences hardwire (imprint) a subconscious set of belief systems, which act to filter our potentiality of experience into the way we actually interpret the world - our point of views, or egos. Everything from drugs, meditation, academics, arts can be used to expand our point of view and take fuller advantage of our human potential, or alternatively we suffocate ourselves in ever increasingly confined boxes of our own B.S. (belief systems). We never get rid of or kill our ego, but at our bests we continually hack it, tweak it, to experience reality on more positive levels.
Love how you shorten Belief systems (B.S.)
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Re: Maybe the biggest ego trip of all. [Re: Icelander]
#20439369 - 08/18/14 07:58 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Trypt is a key element in such loss Isolation tripy methyl is cool, if u like leviathan Antithesis in killing, keep out No sunt, nun 5meaxy...nun Keep wits, even wezen Yet spores will end the notion,!
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Re: Maybe the biggest ego trip of all. [Re: endogenous]
#20439402 - 08/18/14 08:02 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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endogenous said: Well, since humans have both God and Satan, part of us is seeing the truth. But, the question was whether it was possible to be free of "ego". If you are unable to see the truth as truth, then you are not free of the "ego".
Leave shaytan in a hole and u will find theirs nun at night...of such
Elicit response wisentails
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