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Offlinelucid
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Martial Arts for Spirtual poiposes...
    #2042582 - 10/25/03 07:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone here take/practice Martials Arts for
Spirtiual purposes ?
I'm thinking of taking classes as a means of
learning to be more present and involved
instead of Obsessing over my thoughts...


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Re: Martial Arts for Spirtual poiposes... [Re: lucid]
    #2042652 - 10/25/03 08:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yessss...

Tai Chi..
Qigong...
Gong Fu..
Chin Na..
Jeet Kune Do
Etc......


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Re: Martial Arts for Spirtual poiposes... [Re: Shroomism]
    #2043127 - 10/26/03 12:20 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

moving meditation


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Re: Martial Arts for Spirtual poiposes... [Re: lucid]
    #2043251 - 10/26/03 01:14 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Not at this time. I have been rereading a really cool book though on the subject. It merges spirituality/philosophy with martial arts. It's called "The Unfettered Mind; Writings of the Zen Master to the Sword Master" and was written by Takuan Soho, Zen master and counselor to shoguns and emperors, in the 1500's.

You, Shroomism, and others who enjoy the martial arts would love this small book. Everything is written using the metaphor of a sword. Even the style and wording of the book itself is quick, precise, and efficient.

Here's a little excerpt for ya:

SEVER THE EDGE BETWEEN BEFORE AND AFTER:

Not ridding the mind of previous moments, allowing traces of the present mind to remain- both are bad. This means one should cut right through the interval between previous and present. Its significance is in cutting off the edge between before and after, between now and then. It means not detaining the mind.




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Re: Martial Arts for Spirtual poiposes... [Re: Jellric]
    #2043283 - 10/26/03 01:26 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Tai Chi is not only an advanced martial art but a very intense meditation.

Qigong is intense, to say the least, and focuses primarily on cleansing the mind, body and spirit. It is a total unit, that works to harmonize the energy (chi) of the body as a whole.. it takes great discipline, but the effects are well worth the time and effort.

I have heard of The Unfettered Mind.. and have been meaning to check it out.. thanks for reminding me.

Also worth checking out are the philosophies of Jeet Kune Do, which for those who do not know, is the martial art Bruce Lee developed. The entire concept is formlessness, to remain flexible and adaptable, as to not limit yourself to any one particular style, technique, or thought process, and use whatever will help you in the present. Be formless, like water.


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Re: Martial Arts for Spirtual poiposes... [Re: Shroomism]
    #2043451 - 10/26/03 01:25 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

bruce is my favorite


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Re: Martial Arts for Spirtual poiposes... [Re: CleverName]
    #2043459 - 10/26/03 01:28 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I can see that  :cool:
He's my favorite too









 


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Re: Martial Arts for Spirtual poiposes... [Re: Shroomism]
    #2043979 - 10/26/03 04:33 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

This is the real deal:



Bruce Lee sucked. He just said and wrote a lot of shit that hadn't been translated to the west and passed it off as his own. Remember he was an actor long before a martial artist. And besides, he's soooooo.. yesterday.

This is where you want to be:
www.chinafrominside.com


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Re: Martial Arts for Spirtual poiposes... [Re: Dogomush]
    #2044092 - 10/26/03 06:08 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

bruce lee was a great actor. he really was. i love his movies.

having said i fully agree that learning a martial art will help one spiritually. becoming good at anything that requires thought and discipline will have the same effect - you will know yourself better. but getting fit and being able to defend yourself at the same time sweetens the deal.


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Re: Martial Arts for Spirtual poiposes... [Re: mr crisper]
    #2044624 - 10/26/03 02:21 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Shaolin kung fu was originally used to develope the spirit, before it was advanced for fighting purposes.

chi kung is spiritual and also incredibly good for the body.

Didnt bruce lee just steal another martial art and add some pointless features like high kicks?

btw shroomism you chinese or something?


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Re: Martial Arts for Spirtual poiposes... [Re: Oook]
    #2045493 - 10/26/03 09:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Bruce Lee in his early teen years, found a very famous Wing Chun instructor named Yip Man. He trained with him for some years, and became his best student. Bruce lee then started to act. He came over to America, and started to mix fencing, boxing, and other martial arts into his own personal style. In my opinion he is the greatest martial artist of all time. There was a match set up between him and a very famous chinese martial artist. The chinese masters were mad that bruce was teaching the westerners their style of martial arts. Bruce Lee chased this martial arist around the room until he finally pinned him down, and the guy admitted defeat. Please dont ever call him an actor. He is a serious philosopher and martial artist.
Edit: Jesus, I had to add. How could you possibly say he wrote a bunch of stuff and passed it off as his own. It WAS his own. Do you have any idea of the martial arts culture in China? You trained with your master, he was your father. Sifu can be translated to father, sifu being your master. Bruce Lee said reject what is crappy, take what is useful. Now in the Tao of Jeet Kune Do he does take things from various boxing and fencing books. But this is because he is taking what is useful. Read his commentaries on the martial way.


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Re: Martial Arts for Spirtual poiposes... [Re: Dogomush]
    #2045515 - 10/26/03 09:26 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

What ^^^^^ said

Bruce Lee did not suck, he was an amazing martial artist, philosopher, AND actor. Sure perhaps his philosophies were influenced by others, but isn't that the way it works? He brought it to american culture who would otherwise probably have never heard anything similar. He did not just regurgitate old ideas.. he incorporated his own ideas into it tried and true methods. He was revolutionary in martial arts, and the UFC and Pride would probably not exist today if it were not for him.. he was the pioneer. I mean come on man.. Jeet fucking Kune Do.


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Re: Martial Arts for Spirtual poiposes... [Re: Shroomism]
    #2045526 - 10/26/03 09:30 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Read A book of five rings. By Miyamoto Musashi. I liked it a lot. Quite profound I thought.


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Re: Martial Arts for Spirtual poiposes... [Re: Shroomism]
    #2046327 - 10/27/03 02:51 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

I mean come on man.. Jeet fucking Kune Do.




thats a well supported argument.
ive got a black belt in self-defecation, nobody dares to touch me.


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Re: Martial Arts for Spirtual poiposes... [Re: mr crisper]
    #2046647 - 10/27/03 06:47 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I find it hard to believe that bruce lee could be the greatest martial artist of all time.


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Re: Martial Arts for Spirtual poiposes... [Re: Oook]
    #2046680 - 10/27/03 07:20 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

> I find it hard to believe that bruce lee could be the greatest martial artist of all time.

I don't know about all time, but what Albert Einstein was to science, Bruce Lee was to martial arts. The man was amazing.



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Re: Martial Arts for Spirtual poiposes... [Re: Seuss]
    #2046691 - 10/27/03 07:31 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

wasnt it jet li's film shaolin temple that kicked off the martial arts thing? hehe wushu


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Re: Martial Arts for Spirtual poiposes... [Re: Oook]
    #2046776 - 10/27/03 09:33 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

shaolin temple was made in about 1979, well after bruce lee was gone.
tho if you wanna get into it. jet li (li lianjie) won the martial arts championship of china, every year, from when he was 13 til 18.

bruce lee only ever entered one full contact competition, lost, and spent the next 6 months in a wheelchair.
he was a great actor .
all the cool pics in shroomism post are from movies ...y'know - fantasy, image, hype. he's not really fighting those people.
bruce lee made the best noises tho, can't dispute that.



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Re: Martial Arts for Spirtual poiposes... [Re: mr crisper]
    #2046882 - 10/27/03 10:48 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

jet li ragged his knees by using wushu style moves. he had to have the cartilage in both kneecaps replaced from weak stancework and kicks.

Martial arts competitions often seemed to be graded on the appearance of the performance which leads wushu practioners to win(yes i know wushu means martial art in chinese, but not in english)

UFC is queer btw


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Re: Martial Arts for Spirtual poiposes... [Re: Shroomism]
    #2046909 - 10/27/03 11:01 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Shroomism said:
.. it takes great discipline, but the effects are well worth the time and effort. ..




Yes, I've always admired the self-discipline it takes to master any form
of the Martial Arts.


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