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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: NarkedAt90ft]
#20195131 - 06/27/14 05:09 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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NarkedAt90ft said: Hey man,
Your cacti are really looking great!
A question on ferts: How strong do you mix your liquid fertilizer and what brand are you using? Also, since the watering is so far apart are you giving a low dose each time or only a couple times per year?
I scanned through the whole thread looking for this info but I maybe missed it. In any case, really enjoyed your grow log again, I learned a lot from your experience here. Thanks!
I've usually write when I have watered or how long plants have been without water. You can see the date of my posts easily by looking it just above my avatar etc.
I just wait they starts to shrink smaller, let them be in dry for some time, them I soak whole growing medium and wait it dry up again. 2-8 weeks is time I give water to my lophs. Basically few good soak per year, winter = no water, no care.
Coming winter is going to be dormant season for these youngsters.
You can see from loph how much it need water, also planting lots to same tray or using small pots for this cacti, watering is easy, long time drought and when nice warm sunny day comes and plants have been dry long time (they go softer) ..then I give good drink of water.
Fertilizers I've used same what I use for cannabis, but only 10-50% less dose, Just sprayed it with water. Two kind of flowering ferts: NPK 0-17-18 and NPK 2-4-7 or similar.
Anykind of low nitrogen "flowering fertilizers" are ok, just check dose is small..
First dose for seedlings will last long enough tho, and plants adapt themselves to fertile soil from beginning. During summer I have given randomly very small doses of fertilizers when I water, mostly pure water sprayed so long it goes off from drainage hole.
There are some PK-Fertilizers, liquid form. They are good if you want to avoid nitrogen burns etc.. But Nitrogen is good to use with small amounts.. Otherwise it's ok plants have minerals from the rocky material in coco coir.
Edited by intelligentlife (06/28/14 08:26 AM)
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#20206960 - 06/30/14 09:27 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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intelligentlife said:
Fertilizers I've used same what I use for cannabis, but only 10-50% less dose, Just sprayed it with water. Two kind of flowering ferts: NPK 0-17-18 and NPK 2-4-7 or similar.
Anykind of low nitrogen "flowering fertilizers" are ok, just check dose is small..
First dose for seedlings will last long enough tho, and plants adapt themselves to fertile soil from beginning. During summer I have given randomly very small doses of fertilizers when I water, mostly pure water sprayed so long it goes off from drainage hole.
There are some PK-Fertilizers, liquid form. They are good if you want to avoid nitrogen burns etc.. But Nitrogen is good to use with small amounts.. Otherwise it's ok plants have minerals from the rocky material in coco coir.
Thank you very much! This is exactly the info I was hoping for.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: NarkedAt90ft]
#20209229 - 07/01/14 02:54 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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For sake of good sunny day, there's an update.
I have not watered since last time. Temps are +34-35C (Max have been +40C this summer)
1st of July, 2014 ..1year old plants.


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Some peek to my another peyote sow. Hundreds of half year old peyotes. (Identical mini-greenhouse build, this just have got drilled holes below, and heating mat. These seems to do fine. Never seen proper sunlight yet.

Edited by intelligentlife (07/01/14 02:57 AM)
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#20246087 - 07/09/14 04:57 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Great journal, thanks for the info.
I've been germinating some San Pedro and Loph's in the same dome with heat mat. The Pedro's have had a 50% success rate which is great, but no Loph's. Now the soil is starting to get mouldy from the humidty, so i'll take your advice and have a another go with some inorganic material.
Cheers.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: swicksey]
#20246306 - 07/09/14 06:34 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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swicksey said: Great journal, thanks for the info.
I've been germinating some San Pedro and Loph's in the same dome with heat mat. The Pedro's have had a 50% success rate which is great, but no Loph's. Now the soil is starting to get mouldy from the humidty, so i'll take your advice and have a another go with some inorganic material.
Cheers.
Don't use organic soil first 6-12months, so you can avoid mold problems with coco coir.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#20268991 - 07/13/14 10:44 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Update.
13th day of July, 2014.

Over night some water given by soak whole grow medium. They was so thirsty.
14th day of July, 2014 Day after watering.
Edited by intelligentlife (07/13/14 10:44 PM)
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#20269897 - 07/14/14 07:08 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Whoa, one night after watering and they are so pumped already? sweet!
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: Lemnaminor]
#20271444 - 07/14/14 02:08 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lemnaminor said: Whoa, one night after watering and they are so pumped already? sweet!
1 month in hot and dry causes them to go smaller.
Over day they grow to this size. 14th day evening pics. 
Edited by intelligentlife (07/14/14 02:13 PM)
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#20271458 - 07/14/14 02:12 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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They look awesome IL. Good job on those.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: Lemnaminor]
#20285247 - 07/17/14 08:16 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lemnaminor said: Whoa, one night after watering and they are so pumped already? sweet!
Check out today how they're plump up..

4 days after watering.

I think next season is time to transplant these probably, soon I can ID what's willy and what's not.
Edited by intelligentlife (07/17/14 08:20 AM)
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife] 1
#20291473 - 07/18/14 01:38 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Very nicely done. Thanks for sharing I have learned a good bit from your thread
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: doober]
#20301220 - 07/20/14 01:51 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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doober said: Very nicely done. Thanks for sharing I have learned a good bit from your thread
That was my actual purpose to start cultivation thread as long as I grow these and I have time to keep write this, probably later updating of this thread will be more minimal..
I'm still trying to upload pics over the months and years, there are enough information over one year how to grow peyote from seed and it's enough, plants look like young adults soon.
Maybe I stop this thread when these plants bloom their first time.. some say 2-3year is ok time, some say 5-8years.. I think it depends how much peyote have got fertilizers and how hot summers they have.. More temperature means they tolerate more moisture and so on..
When I transplant these, I am sure I show the pics from tap roots of these plants! Can't wait to see how big roots there are..
Umm.. I've think how long these could be grown in this clay pot, ~30 plants in small pot, I've see pics from peyote plants and they're grown so much clay pot have broken after good drink of water.
During winter is easy to transplant because hibernating plants are in dry and they doesn't shock so easily and starts their summer at new pots.. I've think just to separate these to two pots, after I am sure I'm ID willys away from koehresii(at least vendor said seeds are koehresii)
There should be williamsii and koehresii mixed, soon I will see dat!
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#20301969 - 07/20/14 04:31 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wonder... how come there is so much difference in size? some are way bigger than others, and they are all the same age! Could it be the Williamsii / Koehresii that make this huge size difference?
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: Lemnaminor]
#20302112 - 07/20/14 05:13 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lemnaminor said: I wonder... how come there is so much difference in size? some are way bigger than others, and they are all the same age! Could it be the Williamsii / Koehresii that make this huge size difference?
Nah, some peyote are bigger than another.. I've got them as l. williamsii and l. koehresii.. Some williamsii can be different size because there can be mix of different location seeds and vendors sell those just as peyote seeds. Some are bigger, some smaller strain, every plant have their own forms and sizes anyway..
I suspect there is different habitat williamsii, that's why some may be smaller than another. I've not bought seeds by location, just as peyote and they're probably mix of different habitat seeds.
I've planned to transplant these plants at some point, when I really see the difference of species. But there is no harm if some koehresii grow with williamsii, they can be picked separately later when they can be ID.
Only I know these seeds come from nursery and seeds is cheaper if they are bought just as peyote, so they can be any habitat l. williamsii.
I totally want to see what size of tap roots these have grown over one year. These have got only 1 month of cool hibernation period at winter and grown 11months. Now they going to start their first dormant at September when comes cold and I stop heating and watering my lophs. Depends on weather when I stop the actual grow season but it's 6-7months, rest of the year it's too cold and no sun at all during mid-winter. Cacti totally feel cold because they're near window and outdoors can be -40C frosts at mid winter. I have now only radiator below during winter but it's at +10C 
I don't use anymore artificial lights to grow cacti, only sun and small seedling table with two 36W fluoro lights and two levels where I can keep small plants. I have another pot of peyote, few plants sown from seeds of mine.. They are without heating and I can't water them so often and they grow really slow compared to heated mexican small plants. My climate is nasty for cactus plants.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#20368122 - 08/03/14 08:53 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey nice grow! Ive been following closely and am about to start my own this week following your method. One question though, I need to repot some lophs that are currently about the same size as yours. I read you have them in just coco, perlite, and pumice. What ratios of each do you use? Thanks man
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: slowgrowloph]
#20368689 - 08/03/14 12:18 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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slowgrowloph said: Hey nice grow! Ive been following closely and am about to start my own this week following your method. One question though, I need to repot some lophs that are currently about the same size as yours. I read you have them in just coco, perlite, and pumice. What ratios of each do you use? Thanks man
I have't check full the ratio but I would say 1/3 of each is ok. Maybe little bit more rocky stuff than coco or perlite.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#20368764 - 08/03/14 12:32 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks man. I figured it would be about that ratio but I didnt want to add too much coco as I have never used it before. Ive read it retains quite a bit of moisture
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: slowgrowloph]
#20375005 - 08/04/14 08:51 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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pure cactus porn! thanks for sharing, great read!
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: Jimlim]
#20378375 - 08/05/14 01:38 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have few pics from 5th day of August, 2014

Close-up
 This time I give watering little bit earlier than last time, plants was shrink but not so much, I give probably only one watering before winter at this point.
Plants haven't got any water since last time. I took pics before I water them today. Long droughts sure give nice flat shape for plants. After today plants starts to plump up again from water I give for 'em. Full soak like always.
Heat mats are still in use.. I have now for all lophophora plants only 15minutes ON, 15minutes OFF and it goes like that over 12hours during day time. I use heating only at day when sun doesn't shine. Before winter it's time to shut heating off and let plants start their hibernation season.
Heating isn't necessary in warm climates after 6-12months of cultivation. Basically first 6months heating mats are good in any climate, indoor lophs can be heated when artificial lights are on and shut heating off when lights are off.
For colder climate heating is very important factor what comes to growing speed of lophophora, also long time droughts for one year old plants are important to keep plants in shape. With heating watering can be done like every week but I don't suggest to water so often, lophophora starts to grow elongated if watering isn't very random.
Basically 5-7 watering times is enough in one summer and ~10month old lophs can endure serious droughts without dying, but only after the time when plants are "old" enough.
I haven't give fertilizers anymore, I have done fertilizing at spring/early summer and rest of the year pure water till winter comes.

------------------------------- edit: 2days after watering. Swollen!
Edited by intelligentlife (08/07/14 08:22 AM)
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#20410760 - 08/12/14 09:22 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow that is awesome
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