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the u.s.s cole
    #2039349 - 10/24/03 02:02 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

the bombing of it was labelled a 'terrorist attack'. i think that's horseshit. attacking military targets is not terrorism.


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Re: the u.s.s cole [Re: ]
    #2039416 - 10/24/03 02:34 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

the fact that the cole got bombed in the first place
shows how incompetant, at least complacent, our
armed forces have become.

it didn't take a widespread and sophisticated terrorist
plot to get this ship.

yemen is a dangerous and weakly controlled country
known for terrorism and should not have been used
as a refueling point. if indeed they needed to use it
for diplomatic or strategic purposes, the climate of
the region warranted precautionary measures.

situational awareness and shipboard security engagement
tactics are two tools that could have been used to
mitigate damage if not avoid it outright.

this was a simple military strike against a poorly guarded
yet highly valuable target.



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Re: the u.s.s cole [Re: afoaf]
    #2040152 - 10/24/03 05:35 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I'd say it's no different then bombing Iraqi soldier's.. I doubt many of them even new what hit them..


Edited by Bhairabas (10/24/03 07:52 PM)


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Re: the u.s.s cole [Re: ]
    #2040516 - 10/24/03 07:30 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I agree. The Cole was fair game, and thus the bombing was legitimate resistance against American imperialism.


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    #2040768 - 10/24/03 08:50 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

If you don't have fancy lazer guided missiles and nifty uniforms,you're a terrorist.


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Re: the u.s.s cole [Re: monoamine]
    #2040771 - 10/24/03 08:54 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

That's in the eye of the beholder.


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    #2040788 - 10/24/03 09:02 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

That is very true though. By definition,the Cole attack was not a terrorist attack.


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Re: the u.s.s cole [Re: monoamine]
    #2040847 - 10/24/03 09:39 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Correct. It was an act of war.

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    #2040961 - 10/24/03 10:47 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

US State Department's definition of terrorism:

"the unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence
by a revolutionary organization against individuals or
property, with the intention of coercing or intimidating
governments or societies, often for political or ideological
purposes
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it's funny how these same actions, carried out by the state
instead of the 'revolutionary organization', are considered
standard operating procedure and not terrorism.


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Re: the u.s.s cole [Re: afoaf]
    #2040985 - 10/24/03 10:58 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

by that definition, the founding fathers of this nation were terrorists. so were resistance fighters in nazi occupied europe.

true terrorist acts fall somewhere between a mass murdering and a war crime, depending on who's responsible for them and what the circumstances are. killing noncombatants is the common thread in all of them. attacks against military targets are not acts of terrorism. they are legitimate acts of war.

i'm glad they aren't calling the attacks on US troops in iraq acts of terrorism... (yet?)


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    #2040999 - 10/24/03 11:07 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

by that definition, all people throughout history responsible for wresting power from their governments have been terrorists. the reason we no longer live under kings and tyrants is because of terrorists. constitutionally limited government and democracy exist in the world- brought to us by terrorists...

what a stupid definition.


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    #2041011 - 10/24/03 11:11 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

the more we try to define it, the more we realize that we are it.


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    #2041474 - 10/25/03 03:50 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

the bombing of the USS Cole was obviously not a terrorist attack.

I think that at least for some people, the definition of "terrorism" depends on the color of the skin of those perpetrating it.



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    #2042239 - 10/25/03 05:08 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

infidelGOD said:
the bombing of the USS Cole was obviously not a terrorist attack.

I think that at least for some people, the definition of "terrorism" depends on the color of the skin of those perpetrating it.

 




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Re: the u.s.s cole [Re: ]
    #2042745 - 10/25/03 08:52 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

mushmaster said:
by that definition, the founding fathers of this nation were terrorists. so were resistance fighters in nazi occupied europe.

true terrorist acts fall somewhere between a mass murdering and a war crime, depending on who's responsible for them and what the circumstances are. killing noncombatants is the common thread in all of them. attacks against military targets are not acts of terrorism. they are legitimate acts of war.

i'm glad they aren't calling the attacks on US troops in iraq acts of terrorism... (yet?)




I would disagree. It says "the unlawful use". Now the law is determined by whoever has the most power at the time. So each situation is directly affected by the leaders of the era. So one could not say it applies to all things. All one can do is hope that whoever is in power is just and fair, but as everyones knows that is not always the case.


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Re: the u.s.s cole [Re: d33p]
    #2042756 - 10/25/03 08:59 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I would disagree. It says "the unlawful use". Now the law is determined by whoever has the most power at the time. So each situation is directly affected by the leaders of the era.

exactly. the activities of the american revolutionaries, european resistance, etc. were deemed unlawful by the governing powers presiding.

whether something is lawful or unlawful is really of little consequence.

i'm not saying that these men were terrorists (i definitely don't think they were); i'm just pointing out that the state dept. apparently thinks they were.


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    #2042763 - 10/25/03 09:04 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

mushmaster said:
I would disagree. It says "the unlawful use". Now the law is determined by whoever has the most power at the time. So each situation is directly affected by the leaders of the era.

exactly. the activities of the american revolutionaries, european resistance, etc. were deemed unlawful by the governing powers presiding.

whether something is lawful or unlawful is really of little consequence.

i'm not saying that these men were terrorists (i definitely don't think they were); i'm just pointing out that the state dept. apparently thinks they were.





It really just comes down to semantics and doublespeak, which is worthless to argue over since definitions seem to change so often.

There are just to many labels. I dont know why humans feel the need to label every little thing or tendency. Worthless in my opinion provides absolutly no insight just more confusion.


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Re: the u.s.s cole [Re: d33p]
    #2042785 - 10/25/03 09:12 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

everything has a label.


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    #2042796 - 10/25/03 09:17 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Of course, we even label ourselves. It is a neccesity and crux of modern society.


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Re: the u.s.s cole [Re: Zahid]
    #2042805 - 10/25/03 09:21 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

The only problem I have with the Cole bombers is that they probably would have targeted civilians if commanded to do so. The target they were assinged to though, was legitimate morally.


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