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Hipie3's Supercake Formula 2
#20389354 - 08/07/14 07:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hippie's supercake formula
Since 2008-2009 Supercake formula has been tested and used as a bulk substrate additive for increased performance through multiple flushes. It helps increase spawn run speeds, bulk up mushroom size.
Adding substrate nutrients is not like using CVG where you can leave it sitting out wet and expect the substrate to be fine for 3 weeks. This will contaminate if you leave it out wet as the nutrients are very nitrogen rich. This is why we store the supercake formula dry and add as we mix our substrate. The idea is to mix this into your substrate as a dry additive. You pasteurize the substrate and then spawn once substrate temperature has cooled. Bulk substrates with supercake additive are generally spawned within the day after they are pasteurized. Don't let this sit out for a week thinking its the ultimate substrate that is contam free. That is not the case, this is used to increase performance and speed through spawn run and multiple flushes.
Hip used to use this as a pf cake additive. This thread is using it as a substrate dry ingredient additive. Below is the original supercake formula.
Hip's Words:
i use lake water with 2 tablespoons of liquid kelp extract added per gallon i toss a cup of worm castings in a 2.5 gallon jug with that and let it brew a couple days
> a batch = 12 half pints
each batch gets 4 heaping cups vermiculite , medium horticultural grade. 2 heaping cups coarse freshly ground rice 2 level cups lake water 'tea'
then i add
1 teaspoon of nutritional yeast, 1 tablespoon bee pollen, 1 tablespoon flax seed 1 tablespoon shredded coconut meat/flour 1 tablespoon blue corn meal 1 tablespoon coarse yellow corn meal 1 tablespoon of powdered/ground kelp meal 1 tablespoon of cottonseed meal
Below We are making supercake formula now for a dry bulk substrate additive. Make a big batch of it to store in the freezer for 6 months to a years worth of grows. You want to fill a 1 gallon bag so that you won't need to mix anymore for some time.
1 cup =16 tablespoons 16 teaspoons=1/3 cup
1 Gallon Bag Recipe 2/3 cups nutritional yeast since the yeast is teaspoons and not tablespoons.
2 cups of each ingredient listed here
- bee pollen
- flax seed
- shredded coconut meat/flour
- blue corn meal
- coarse yellow corn meal
- powdered/ground kelp meal
- cottonseed meal
You will need a 1/3 cup measuring tool and a 1 cup measuring tool.

 
bee pollen


flax meal
 
shredded coconut meal/coconut flour
 
blue corn meal
 
coarse yellow corn meal
 
ground kelp
 
cottonseed meal
 
Here is a walk through of the mix
A soon to be Dung Flower



Here are the pictures of the mix after it is completely mixed.


The best part is that it smells like coconut.
You will only need 1/2 cup per tub of substrate. So when you make a two tub mix you will use approximately 1 cup per batch.
The substrate is mixed up thoroughly. Supercake is then added by pouring the dry mix evenly over the top of the mixed substrate. Then the substrate and supercake are mixed thoroughly and evenly. The substrate is oven pasteurized for 2 hours after a core temp of 170 is reached.
Here is a small sample of results over the years using supercake dry additive to bulk subs.
some of the fruits grew as long as my arm in the links below.
Huge Shrooms
Non Cased Substrates


this image is a flush. these are 56 quart tubs and actually much smaller than my normal tubs. its 4 quarts spawn and 2 turkey tins volume of substrate being coir/strawnet/verm. it just bulks up the fruit size like they been taking steroids.

all the fruits in this flush hit the lid. non cased tub.

tests
Tex Cubensis Supercake
Burma with supercake
Armlong Size Shrooms
Below is a 2 tub comparison with supercake. You will see that this additive can go multiple flushes even with dunks between flushes with great success and little to no contamination.
TLY TUB 8: cased: 4 Quarts Grain Spawn/1 Quart Slurry/ 10 Quarts Substrate: 1 Brick Coir/ 1 Quarts Verm/ 1 cup strawnet/ 1 cup gypsum/ 1/4 cup supercake formula 1st:
    2nd flush:
 3rd flush:
 
TLY TUB 9: cased: 4 Quarts Grain Spawn/1 Quart Slurry/ 10 Quarts Substrate: 1 Brick Coir/ 1 Quarts Verm/ 1 cup strawnet/ 1 cup gypsum/ 1/4 cup supercake formula 1st:
  
2nd flush:
  3rd flush:
   
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20393174 - 08/08/14 07:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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im using this in my APE bulk subs soon. only modification im making is to use flax meal rather than flax seed. i sometimes get sprouts from the flax seed. it doesn't really cause any issues but id rather have a clean looking flush. this also speeds my colonization of bulk subs to 3 days.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20393374 - 08/08/14 08:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Looks sweet and sexy. Make sure and post that this is experimental. As a TC you should point out that this is more advanced mycology.
Makes me want to try different things. But for the most part. I love the results.
Good job sir.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Sockadin]
#20393400 - 08/08/14 08:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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How is this advanced? It's just a cake recipe with out of the norm ingredients.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Ghatti]
#20393674 - 08/08/14 09:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Ghatti]
#20393706 - 08/08/14 10:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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eatualive, great thread as always brother.
What do you think the benefits of lakewater are? A few things come to my mind but I'd like your insight into it.
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Also what do you use to inoculate? MS? or LC?
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Pastywhyte]
#20394821 - 08/09/14 08:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: Looks sweet and sexy. Make sure and post that this is experimental. As a TC you should point out that this is more advanced mycology.
Makes me want to try different things. But for the most part. I love the results.
Good job sir.
ive tested over the last five years with good success. when i dig up more threads ill post them. im having issues finding all the threads over the years on other sites. it makes the substrate colonize in a few days and the fruits get massive. here are two old experiments.
some of the fruits grew as long as my arm in the links below.
Huge Shrooms
Non Cased Substrates
or if you don't want to read through the thread.


this image is a flush. these are 56 quart tubs and actually much smaller than my normal tubs. its 4 quarts spawn and 2 turkey tins volume of substrate being coir/strawnet/verm. it just bulks up the fruit size like they been taking steroids.

all the fruits in this flush hit the lid. i have 50 more examples it just takes time to find it.

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Pastywhyte said:

Also what do you use to inoculate? MS? or LC?
both. both work.
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TheEaglesGift said: eatualive, great thread as always brother.
What do you think the benefits of lakewater are? A few things come to my mind but I'd like your insight into it.
thanks but not really my idea. its from hippie3. i just didn't find anything on it, and was about to use it as a bulk substrate additive. i don't actually use it in cakes. i dump about a 1/4 cup of this mix into my bulk subs when im mixing them to pasteurize. im also using dry kelp meal.
someone said this Quote:
the desired effect of the live organisms in the lake water and the use of castings is to add necessary nutrients and make them as well-suited to the mycelial growth as possible. The lake water organisms contain lots of nitrogen and phosphor...I think.
i don't use the natural water just tap water. but, i honestly don't know because i have not tried it. i've even heard of people using disgarded fishtank water in theirs. but i can tell you that even without the lake water, my subs grow in 3 days after spawning. the increased heat from the mix speeds up the incubation time. i remember a long time ago there was this additive you could get called spawnmate. i used to use that too.
i am also using flax meal rather than flax seed. ive had flax seed sprout before a few times. i don't use the lake water just tap water.
Edited by eatyualive (08/11/14 07:57 PM)
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20396245 - 08/09/14 03:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the reply brother. 
I'm doing up 2 tubs of Penis Envy in a few days. I think I'll be taking a trip to the local lake.
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Can't see the links, i get this error msg:
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Good recipe though!
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20396284 - 08/09/14 03:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's probably for the best Alien. Shroomery for life! To be honest, when I started out I couldn't even figure out how to register with mycotopia. Whoever codes their site needs to lay off the shrooms.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20396345 - 08/09/14 04:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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 nice stuff as usual eatyoualive
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20396876 - 08/09/14 06:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mr. Alien said: Can't see the links, i get this error msg:
This message indicates that your account with Mycotopia has been cancelled and you have been banned. This may have been caused by failing to follow the board rules or from spamming.

Good recipe though!
the funniest part is that you are registered there lol..
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20396908 - 08/09/14 06:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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i know in 2008
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20396909 - 08/09/14 06:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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it says your banned. how are you able to post? lol
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20396922 - 08/09/14 06:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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No i cant? why you say that? Are they posting with my account? Lol.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20397483 - 08/09/14 10:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The plot thickens.
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Lol it doesn't say he's banned to me 
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Mycotopia account? Lol
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: PsiloBeast]
#20397577 - 08/09/14 10:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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It should say:
Membership Cancellation This message indicates that your account with Mycotopia has been cancelled and you have been banned. This may have been caused by differ or having a different opinion by saying that LC inoculated with spores is a crap shot, that light is beneficial during colonisation or that a SHFC would need at least 4" or perlite for best performance.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Mr. Alien] 1
#20397598 - 08/09/14 10:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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SGFC Tek says 3-5" of perlite, not 4......just sayin lol.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: PussyFart]
#20397614 - 08/09/14 10:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol, well said!!. But i saw them using 1" of perlite or less. That site is like
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20397776 - 08/09/14 11:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mr. Alien said: No i cant? why you say that? Are they posting with my account? Lol.
why would anyone post with your account about what we were talking about? it makes no sense at all. on the post you made a few weeks ago i see under your user name it says banned on the description i guess. that is what i saw.
this is what i see. i would imagine if your banned you wouldn't be able to post at all. do you get that error when you login?

anyway, back on topic. im super excited to try the supercake with APE. im actually going to attempt to use it in the pf jars next go round to see if it speeds up colonization in the jars. ive read it does, but haven't tried it for myself.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20397806 - 08/09/14 11:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Haha yep i got that error. I'm totally fucked in that site. trolls R' us.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20397930 - 08/10/14 12:58 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Are they really that dogmatic with their grow techniques? It's like they're in the dark ages.
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TheEaglesGift said: Are they really that dogmatic with their grow techniques? It's like they're in the dark ages.
when you say things like this, your insulting many more folks than you know. i being one of them. there are many members here and there and many other sites on the net. don't generalize. if you didn't notice yet, most of what you know on the internet about mycology comes from old hands. its just repeated over and over. you can access the archives there no problem. i for one post on many different sites. isn't this about learning and sharing?
so lets get back on topic. im waiting on the cottonseed meal and then i can make the dry mix. ill usually mix up one big batch of it, then stick it in the freezer, using 1/4 cup per substrate bin. it stores easily. im sure you don't have to store it in the freezer but it takes more than a year if you mix up all of the ingredients into one big batch.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20398026 - 08/10/14 01:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Valid point man. I'll actually never say a cross word about other sites any more now. I do tend to. I guess sometimes I forget it is a fun, knowledge sharing world here on the internet. Some info bad some info good, assholes and kind people, mycologists and noobies. Thanks for that 
On another note, this recipe for cakes looks amazing man!!
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: PsiloBeast]
#20398036 - 08/10/14 01:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I meant no offense Eeatu, my apologies.
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its about sharing the knowledge and improving your inner myco abilities isn't it? i link across all sites. if i get banned for it, then so be it. but if i feel the knowledge is good, i try to share. whether anyone else cares to try, its up to them. but ill give anything a try a few times before i knock it. that's how we press forward "against the grain". there is always going to be backlash and negativity but if it works, it works. and if it works great for me, ill defend it and try to pass the knowledge along.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20398067 - 08/10/14 01:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I hear ya!
Some people are very closed minded and listen to nothing further than there own mouth breathing though. Stubborn, know-it-all pricks really. That's what kind of makes it a balancing act, not just I the shroomery but sharing knowledge in any forum or situation. People will always be people but I suppose if we can learn to be patient and open minded enough then it might catch on become a positive trend in this world for once. I'll admit, lately my faith in mankind has led me to be a bit sour. I was never like that but positive words like yours Eatualive kinda brings me down a peg or two. Seriously, thanks.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: PsiloBeast]
#20398812 - 08/10/14 10:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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At risk of getting on topic, Eatyu what would you say the benefits of this recipe are. It seems like obtaining some of the ingredients like the lakewater might be a little inconvenient. What makes it worth the extra effort.?
I am no cake guy so I won't pretend to be but, even a breakdown into how this recipe was formulated and why would be cool
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Pastywhyte]
#20398830 - 08/10/14 10:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The natural minerals of the lake water. I like bee pollen is so good for our health and it also must be for mushrooms.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Pastywhyte]
#20398855 - 08/10/14 10:25 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow, I just took a stroll thru that other site mentioned and LITERALLY THE FIRST THREAD was all about fuck RR and this site. I don't understand the issue, maybe I just haven't been around long enough lol. One guy was saying he added bleach into his bulk subs!?!?!?!?! There was literally someone who was just like "man RR is good, but we have just as good people here. RR comes up with something and people jump all over his sac...blah blah blah" I mean its one thing to just say I think RR is overrated(not that I do, he is smart as hell and been doing this a loooong time, to not take his knowledge IMO would be dumb)...but
On topic, I was looking at using collected rainwater, I wonder how this would compare to lake water. Maybe put a few fish in the barrel lol.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20398865 - 08/10/14 10:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mr. Alien said: The natural minerals of the lake water. I like bee pollen is so good for our health and it also must be for mushrooms.
bee pollen is awesome. you know they call it natures food. it has amino acids, no fat and protein. its really good for increasing your energy before a work out. ill probably eat half the bottle before i even make my supercake mix. lol
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On topic, I was looking at using collected rainwater, I wonder how this would compare to lake water. Maybe put a few fish in the barrel lol.
it would be worth a try. one of my friends does the fishtank with growing vegetables on top like a hydroponic setup. i bet the discarded fish water in that setup could be useful.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20398868 - 08/10/14 10:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Excuse me...
...bee pollen?? No wonder bee are going extinct gotta try this stuff though. I'm down to try anything all natural like that really.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20398897 - 08/10/14 10:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: At risk of getting on topic, Eatyu what would you say the benefits of this recipe are. It seems like obtaining some of the ingredients like the lakewater might be a little inconvenient. What makes it worth the extra effort.?
I am no cake guy so I won't pretend to be but, even a breakdown into how this recipe was formulated and why would be cool 
Look up SPAWNMATE. This is an old substrate additive that was going around the OMC back in the day. It actually worked very well. It was supposed to be a time released nutrient mix that would help during later flushes as well as speed up colonization times. I think its the same idea. I definitely see how quick the bulk subs colonize. I have had some bulk subs colonize in 3 days without supercake but on the best highest spawn ratio. But even without a high spawn ratio, adding this makes my subs colonize in 3 days on average. I think I once read that the heat from the cottonseed meal increases incubation temperature. It also beefs up my fruits on average. Its like each mushroom is more robust. I am hoping to see this happen in the Ape strain. While some of the APE get very large, id like to see the full flush be massive.
I just use the dry mix as a substrate additive. It works very well to increase the speed of spawn run and the yield is excellent. I see increased overall yield through several flushes. I think someone said all the ingredients were used from ingredients that were for gardening plants. I'll take a quote from idiocracy "It's what plants want" lol
I don't do cakes either. I simply dump it in while I am mixing my substrate. I don't think the lake water is necessary to have success. There have been several times over the years that I ran out and didn't have the kelp meal on hand. so i did a few runs with some missing ingredients and it worked out well.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20398916 - 08/10/14 10:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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i would like to see a teaspoon of gypsum in your recipe too!
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20398941 - 08/10/14 11:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mr. Alien said: i would like to see a teaspoon of gypsum in your recipe too!
yes but if most people add the gypsum to the substrate when preparing the substrate its essentially the same thing. not a bad idea. just make one mix and dump it all in.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20398985 - 08/10/14 11:17 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Aside from the pollen and yeast I'd like to see a nutritional break down. I have had good experiences adding small amounts of gluten into cakes before but it could have been a series of coincidences.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Ghatti]
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Ghatti said: Aside from the pollen and yeast I'd like to see a nutritional break down. I have had good experiences adding small amounts of gluten into cakes before but it could have been a series of coincidences.
do you want to volunteer?
ive also used this entire thing with a little coffee in the substrate as well. so i guess ill also be adding that to the mix.
Substrate Additive at time of substrate preparation
1 teaspoon of nutritional yeast, 1 tablespoon bee pollen, 1 tablespoon flax seed 1 tablespoon shredded coconut meat/flour 1 tablespoon blue corn meal 1 tablespoon coarse yellow corn meal 1 tablespoon of powdered/ground kelp meal 1 tablespoon of cottonseed meal 1 teaspoon gypsum 1 cup spent coffee grounds
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: tripdawg420]
#20407090 - 08/12/14 03:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Definitely going to try this in the future. It looks like it adds lots of nutrients for the mycelium
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updated op with pictures and a formula for 1 gallon bag.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
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Might I ask what the total cost is of all the ingredients and what it is per cake compared to plain ole BRF/verm?
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MastaBlastar said: Might I ask what the total cost is of all the ingredients and what it is per cake compared to plain ole BRF/verm?
i have no idea. if you look up each product you can figure it out then divide the cost. i simply use this as a substrate additive in bulk subs and the results are worth the extra cost.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20428297 - 08/16/14 04:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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updated op. here are some pf jars with the mix made.
here is a batch of pf jars with the mix in it.

blended up with a hand mixer

macro of the texture for the pf jars

in the jars
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20455174 - 08/21/14 06:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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here is a 4 day pictoral using the super cake formula. the two turkey tins volume of substrate equates to 16 quarts of substrate. this was spawned with 4 quarts wbs grain. Also the APE strain is slow compared to most strains in my opinion its doing very well compared to other subs without the additive. 1:4 grain to substrate spawm ratio.
Day 1: Spawned

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Day 4:
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
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1 teaspoon of nutritional yeast, 1 tablespoon bee pollen, 1 tablespoon flax seed 1 tablespoon shredded coconut meat/flour 1 tablespoon blue corn meal 1 tablespoon coarse yellow corn meal 1 tablespoon of powdered/ground kelp meal 1 tablespoon of cottonseed meal
Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like those grains would need to be sterilized and kept sterile till 100% colonized. What am I missing?
Are you just using it for cakes and then once colonized mixing it with bulk? Or are you just throwing it raw right in a pasteurized bulk?
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1 teaspoon of nutritional yeast, 1 tablespoon bee pollen, 1 tablespoon flax seed 1 tablespoon shredded coconut meat/flour 1 tablespoon blue corn meal 1 tablespoon coarse yellow corn meal 1 tablespoon of powdered/ground kelp meal 1 tablespoon of cottonseed meal
Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like those grains would need to be sterilized and kept sterile till 100% colonized. What am I missing?
Are you just using it for cakes and then once colonized mixing it with bulk? Or are you just throwing it raw right in a pasteurized bulk?
hey sbj, what i am doing is placing all of this mix into my substrate mix. i then mix it all up and pasteurize it in the oven. when the subs are cool enough, then i spawn. so i am pasteurizing it. now, when i used to use flax seed, it would sprout in the tubs. so there would be fruits and some baby flax seed sprouts. so now, ive started using flax meal so that it won't sprout.
right now im doing some tests on cakes with it in the mix. the pf jars were pressure cooked for 45 mins at 15psi.
this is how im using it in my substrate. if you don't want to read you can scroll through the pictures and it shows a step by step with pictorial.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20432706
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20476207 - 08/25/14 06:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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updating op.
Day 8: birthed into fruiting conditions.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20476247 - 08/25/14 07:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is it just the pic, or does the one on the right seem thicker and whiter?
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well, that one was taken in the light and the camera flashed. i changed the setting after i took the dark one. id take another one but i just smoked out and i don't want to get near the tubs til tomorrow. they both look healthy for a 5 year old syringe!
i just zoomed into the picture and it does look a little off to me. ill check it in more light when im clean. it may be the lighting throwing it off and the pictures looks slightly out of focus.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
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They both look great!
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Pastywhyte]
#20477947 - 08/26/14 02:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I remember reading this a long time ago 3 years maybe when I was first starting out learning about mushrooms and trying not to stab myself with spore101 syringes good times.
Will use this in some tubs in a month if all goes well.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20478109 - 08/26/14 04:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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On topic, I was looking at using collected rainwater, I wonder how this would compare to lake water. Maybe put a few fish in the barrel lol.
it would be worth a try. one of my friends does the fishtank with growing vegetables on top like a hydroponic setup. i bet the discarded fish water in that setup could be useful.
I've been considering using water from a fishtank. You can't really put fish into a fishtank until after it cycles. In an aquarium several types of bacteria are cultivated in the tank to convert fish wastes into forms non toxic to the fish.
Nitrogen Cycle
The bacteria tends to live on surfaces in the tank but some do end up in the water column. I was reading in the big morel cultivation thread where they were talking about adding nitrifying bacteria.
I imagine that lake water would be similar.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: MGazer]
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Edited by eatyualive (08/26/14 07:25 PM)
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Nimpo]
#20482246 - 08/27/14 12:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is impressive, and relevant to a thread I made asking about optimum nutrition for bulk spawn media. I just glossed over the thread but this is very cool
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: NumeroEno]
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Isn't using lake water a huge risk for contaminants?
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: motherchimp]
#20482391 - 08/27/14 01:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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No. It gets pasteurized.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Ghatti]
#20493847 - 08/29/14 03:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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update op with tubs.

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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20544371 - 09/09/14 06:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am running tests on this substrate using 4 strains: Each one has supercake formula and so ill make this a dual experiment. As you can see the supercake gives you a spawn run in 3-4 days. Ill update as it comes along.
Substrate Ratio Per Tub: 1:3 Ratio Spawn:substrate
- 5 Quarts spawn
- 15 Quarts Volume: 1 Brick Coir/ 2 Quarts Verm/ 1 cup supercake/
2 cups gypsum/ 1/2 cup used coffee
R44: P2G Grain Spawn Used/ Fooman's Grain Tek/ 66 Quart Sterilites
TUB 1:
Day 1: 09-06-2014 Spawn
Day 2: 09-07-2014

Day 3: 09-08-2014

Day 4: 09-09-2014

Day 5: 09-10-2014
Day 6: 09-11-2014
Day 7: 09-12-2014
TUB 2:
Day 1: 09-07-2014 Spawn
Day 2: 09-08-2014

Day 3: 09-09-2014
Day 4: 09-10-2014
Day 5: 09-11-2014
Day 6: 09-12-2014
Day 7: 09-13-2014
Thai Lipa Yai: P2G Grain Spawn Used/ Fooman's Grain Tek/ 66 Quart Sterilite
TUB 1:
Day 1: 09-06-2014 Spawn
Day 2: 09-07-2014

Day 3: 09-08-2014

Day 4: 09-09-2014

Day 5: 09-10-2014
Day 6: 09-11-2014
Day 7: 09-12-2014
Tex Yellow Cap: G2G Grain Spawn Used/ Fooman's Grain Prep/ 77 Quart Iris Clearstack
Day 1: 09-07-2014 Spawn
DAy 2: 09-08-2014

Day 3: 09-09-2014

Day 4: 09-10-2014
Day 5: 09-11-2014
Day 6: 09-12-2014
Day 7: 09-13-2014
F+: Slurry Grain Prep/ Fooman's Grain Tek with 10 minute steep a 20 minute soak, strained 2 times/ 77 Quart Iris Clearstack
TUB 1:
Day 1: 09-07-2014 Spawn
Day 2: 09-08-2014

Day 3: 09-09-2014

Day 4: 09-10-2014
Day 5: 09-11-2014
Day 6: 09-12-2014
Day 7: 09-13-2014
TUB 2:
Day 1: 09-07-2014 Spawn
DAy 2: 09-08-2014

Day 3: 09-09-2014
Day 4: 09-10-2014
Day 5: 09-11-2014
Day 6: 09-12-2014
Day 7: 09-13-2014
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: cronicr]
#20554143 - 09/11/14 05:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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updating spawn run results
Substrate Ratio Per Tub: 1:3 Ratio Spawn:substrate
- 5 Quarts spawn
- 15 Quarts Volume: 1 Brick Coir/ 2 Quarts Verm/ 1 cup
supercake/ 2 cups gypsum/ 1/2 cup used coffee
R44: P2G Spawn Used/ Fooman's Grain Tek/ 66 Quart Sterilites
TUB 1:
Day 1: 09-06-2014 Spawn
Day 2: 09-07-2014

Day 3: 09-08-2014

Day 4: 09-09-2014

Day 5: 09-10-2014

Day 6: 09-11-2014 Birth

Day 7: 09-12-2014
TUB 2:
Day 1: 09-08-2014 Spawn
Day 2: 09-09-2014

Day 3: 09-10-2014

Day 4: 09-11-2014

Day 5: 09-12-2014
Day 6: 09-13-2014
Day 7: 09-14-2014
Thai Lipa Yai: P2G Grain Spawn Used/ Fooman's Grain Tek/ 66 Quart Sterilite
TUB 1:
Day 1: 09-06-2014 Spawn
Day 2: 09-07-2014

Day 3: 09-08-2014

Day 4: 09-09-2014

Day 5: 09-10-2014

Day 6: 09-11-2014 Birth

Day 7: 09-12-2014
Tex Yellow Cap: G2G Grain Spawn Used/ Fooman's Grain Prep/ 77 Quart Iris Clearstack
TUB 1:
Day 1: 09-07-2014 Spawn
Day 2: 09-08-2014

Day 3: 09-09-2014

Day 4: 09-10-2014

Day 5: 09-11-2014 Birth

Day 6: 09-12-2014
Day 7: 09-13-2014
F+: Slurry Spawn Prep/ Fooman's Grain Tek with 10 minute steep a 20 minute soak, strained 2 times/ 77 Quart Iris Clearstack
TUB 1:
Day 1: 09-07-2014 Spawn
Day 2: 09-08-2014

Day 3: 09-09-2014

Day 4: 09-10-2014

Day 5: 09-11-2014 Birth

Day 6: 09-12-2014
Day 7: 09-13-2014
TUB 2:
Day 1: 09-08-2014 Spawn
DAy 2: 09-09-2014

Day 3: 09-10-2014

Day 4: 09-11-2014

Day 5: 09-12-2014
Day 6: 09-13-2014
Day 7: 09-14-2014
NOTES 9-11-14: The tex strain has colonized faster than all the other strains that were spawned even day prior. It is always the fastest strain there is hands down. The slurried grain jars also matched the tex with speed. I found that the F+ was the slowest colonizing pf jars out of all the strains tested. But with the slurry not only did it run the jars in 4 days it also ran the substrate very quickly at the speed of the tex strain. so even though it was showing as the slowest strain comparatively, it caught up with the slurry method of grain prep. i think this also helped it run the substrates quickly.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
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Were those all MS?
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: 36fuckin5]
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oh oh.... i've got bad feeling about this.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Mr. Alien]
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bad feeling about what? the slurry?
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: 36fuckin5]
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yes.
also the syringes were sitting in the fridge for 5 years. the tex was from a 5 year old print.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Fivel]
#20576403 - 09/16/14 06:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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here are some 7 year old burma clone with supercake in it. also some ape. i had to saw the burma sub in half from a contam. so this is half the substrate. its so old now im having trouble getting it to do much of anything consistently but it is still flushing out after that long.



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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: syfqhnff]
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Hey, great info. I tend to use Damion's Bucket Tek for the coir. I'm assuming that it wouldnt be enough to pasteurize the supercake ingredients. Is this correct? Is there a way around this that I could do so that I only oven pasteurized the supercake?
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i really don't know ive never used nor know what Damiens tek is. i generally pasteurize it.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
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Damion5050, been a while and I forgot the proper lingo.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595
It definitely works, and is much less of a hassle. But the supercake seems like a worthy sacrifice.
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I wouldn't bucket tek supercake. Too many high nutrient additives.
BTW I have my first round of supercake tubs just put into fruiting yesterday. Want me to post pics? I'm excited about it. They colonized in a week.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Fivel]
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Yeah, but I guess bucket tekking but afterwards mixing the pasteurized supercake might work. But maybe the bucket tek isnt thorough enough to make it safe for other materials. Experiment time I guess.
Could you describe your freezing process? Is everything mixed including water and coffee and gypsum? Do you just break off pieces and thaw them out?
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RideAllBears said: Damion5050, been a while and I forgot the proper lingo.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595
It definitely works, and is much less of a hassle. But the supercake seems like a worthy sacrifice.
yeah i would properly pasteurize it. but there was also this spawn additive called spawnmate back in the day. you would simply sprinkle it on your subs as you spawn it. that might be an option but i have not tried it. so it may not be successful. i might be willing to lose a tub for the sake of experiment. but its going to have to be middle of next year before that happens.
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BTW I have my first round of supercake tubs just put into fruiting yesterday. Want me to post pics? I'm excited about it. They colonized in a week.
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RideAllBears said: Yeah, but I guess bucket tekking but afterwards mixing the pasteurized supercake might work. But maybe the bucket tek isnt thorough enough to make it safe for other materials. Experiment time I guess.
Could you describe your freezing process? Is everything mixed including water and coffee and gypsum? Do you just break off pieces and thaw them out?
no only the dry mix is put in a gallon bag and then stored in the freezer. i don't use any of the lake water ect i only use the dry mix as a substrate additive. what it does is makes your flushes consistent through multiple flushes. it works like a slow delay release of nutrients to provide for bigger and consistent flushes.
i added the coffee and gypsum but i usually add that at the time im mixing the substrate. you don't even have to add that to your substrate if you don't want to. it isn't necessary but doesn't hurt. i don't store any gypsum or coffee with dry mix in the freezer bag full of supercake mix.
so the ingredients that are stored dry are used later when the subs are prepared. ill then get a measuring cup and scoop it out of my freezer bag.
you could store it in the pantry at room temps. i just put it in the freezer in case the storage is more long term. at the current speed of things, i went through an entire gallon bag in 2 months. trippy avatar!
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Awesome thanks for all of that!
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First supercake run. 6 days to 100% colonization. 4 days till first pins. This is the day after pins were noticed. Tub 1 and 2 respectively.
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Flush 1 Tub 1. Tub 2 got overly mature. Didn't take pics but the flush was huge.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Fivel]
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nice fivel. you should try a dunk after the 1st flush. if your cutting stems try thechief's method. if your twist and pulling try mine. i got a link in my reference. i have more consistent success using longer dunks. good job!
the beauty in supercake is that it helps you get consistent good flushes up to about 4.
is that your orissa india?
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Yup those are orissas. They are a little spotty this time but I still got almost 6 dry on that first flush. The supercake makes them hella meaty too.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Fivel]
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oh yeah just wait till 2nd flush. check these monsters out from a 2nd flush with supercake.
what do you mean by spotty? do you mean the fruits have spots on them?
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No I mean its not a full canopy.. Lol I strive for perfection 
Shit dude those fruits are monstrous... lol
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Fuck man. You continue to impress me. You're one of the biggest assets this site has, eatyu. After watching this thread a little more I'm definitely gonna try this. I'm gonna try this with the most aggressive PE isolate I can find on an hpoo/verm/gypsum substrate. Fuck yeah.
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Day 8: birthed into fruiting conditions.
What does this mean for a monotub? Removing some of the polyfill? Awesome post, eat. I'm so looking forward to trying this!
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
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Haha right, what does that mean? What are you actually doing at that point? I thought once you had the sub in place, you left it alone for the duration of the grow until picking. What is changed at the birthing stage?
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He takes the tape off the holes and stuffs them with poly.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Okay, figured it was something like that. Thanks!
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stareatclouds said: Haha right, what does that mean? What are you actually doing at that point? I thought once you had the sub in place, you left it alone for the duration of the grow until picking. What is changed at the birthing stage?
i don't do what everyone else here does. i incubate in a draft free area. there isn't need for tape on holes if you don't have any draft in the area where the tubs are incubating. during incubation i use all polyfil holes stuffed tight. once colonized(6 days or less). i then place the tub into the fruiting area that has constant airflow. i loosen the top polyfil holes. i also do different things with the fans i use. i used to use a ceiling fan(broken) but use an oscillating fan now. then i don't do anything until its time to harvest or one of the tub dries out or something. i got a thing in my journal explaining it all with pictures.
and i don't really care that people use tape. but it isn't necessary. id say only necessary if your incubating in the same room as your grow room with airflow. i have a closet i set the tubs in. the room with airflow is just the room. but the closet doors are kept closed. i also use a steel storage cabinet that gets little airflow when closed.
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Thanks for the detailed response. I'll check out your journal. I'll likely start with another monotub Tek first and check this one out after since it requires more ingredients than I have right now.
Just curious. What is a draft free area? Just a room that you don't go in often? Would covering the tub in a clear bag suffice?
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i don't use tape on holes. never have, never will.
i also just set my liners in the tub and fold them back rather than cut them. less work.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Fivel]
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still a badass grow!
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stareatclouds said: Thanks for the detailed response. I'll check out your journal. I'll likely start with another monotub Tek first and check this one out after since it requires more ingredients than I have right now.
Just curious. What is a draft free area? Just a room that you don't go in often? Would covering the tub in a clear bag suffice?
i have a small closet with two pull out doors. thats it. i also use a steel storage cabinet that locks. it fits about 8 tubs stacked to the top. pics below of some tubs incubating.
like this.


storage cabinet is 3 foot wide.
this is a recent grow using supercake formula.
            
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
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Damn, that's neat. I'm a long ways away from that, haha. Do you use painter's plastic for liners or will Hefty bags work?
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30 gallon trash bags. super easy. always have used those. i don't want to cut anymore plastic, nor shred anymore straw, nor make anymore casings. super lazy at this point in life man lmao. with work and all. time is of the essence.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
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Very cool eat. Your CO2 levels must be a bit lower than most people's then. Probably why your spawn run is so fast. The dogma was always that if the O2 levels get too high excess nutes would then be consumed leaving less for later flushes but that is obviously not the case. Hmmmm.
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Pastywhyte said: Very cool eat. Your CO2 levels must be a bit lower than most people's then. Probably why your spawn run is so fast. The dogma was always that if the O2 levels get too high excess nutes would then be consumed leaving less for later flushes but that is obviously not the case. Hmmmm.
don't believe everything your told. i mean every tub since 2004 ive used polyfil holes stuffed tight. nothing different. unless i was trying something like micropore tape or tyvek ect. ironed polyfil filters! seem to work great.
i started seeing people do that and didn't see any reason to make things more complicated. the idea is to " not do anything". put the formula in, let the tub do the rest. however, i now manually dunk tubs between flushes. but thats the only maintenance i do unless some polyfil holes fallout and i don't see it for 12 hours. thats usually the killer for me. when its too loose and it falls out and when i get back 12 hours later its dried out. for this reason, the gap of time, i can't leave my polyfil extremely loose in the tops. i leave it tight on one side, loose on 3 sides. the side thats in tight. i have an oscillating fan moving back and forth on the opposite side of the room the tubs are on. its not a giant fan but a stand up fan. i have another two i tried, which dried the tubs out in an hour. this one isn't as strong on the lowest setting.
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My BS radar is functional but some things ya never think to question. However my experiences lately have me questioning almost all the gospel. Good thing I always been stupid and do anything I am told not to
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Pastywhyte]
#20790631 - 11/03/14 11:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Damn, those are some serious hauls, eat. Very impressive! Thanks for the helpful information. I can't wait to have some grain spawn to try all the bulk methods out on.
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stareatclouds said: Damn, those are some serious hauls, eat. Very impressive! Thanks for the helpful information. I can't wait to have some grain spawn to try all the bulk methods out on.
thanks, its not so much about the bulk method. any bulk substrate will fruit fine. its really about putting all the factors into the equation and the equation solves itself. just make sure to have the correct environmental factors fora the entire mushroom growth cycle and good fae. your situation may vary so you may have to tweak some methods or philosophies people have. theres tons out there. but most of them work. there isn't one set way thats better than any other way. its small little things people do differently that may work for their situation and environment while not working at all in my environment.
the keys that help my grows are mixing the spawn very evenly into the substrate and making sure to get at the bottom corners and mix a good amount of spawn in those areas so that there is spawn and not pockets of substrate that doesn't have spawn.
making an even fruiting level helps tremendously. i don't case so it doesn't have to be perfect. but the more even you can make it the better.
also speedy spawn runs are the best idea. you want to colonize your bulk subs in less than a week. 6 days tops. and id even go on a limb and say that you shouldn't be taking more than a week to get fully colonized jars in g2g grain. if it takes longer than that, well....
moisture content in your substrate is one of the key factors. things like gypsum/ lime ect aren't necessary in a bulk substrate. they don't hurt but honestly ive never used gypsum until the last 40 tub grows and I don't see any real difference in fruiting. id say putting less in the subs actually works better. for about 16 years ive grown off of dung/straw and other bulk subs. i like hpoo the best and other donkey and mule shit. only reason i don't use it anymore is cost and time to gather it. pelletized straw is a great additive and even strawnet or mowed grass works great.
mixing up your substrate from time to time and then taking prints is a good way of getting consistent fruits after a few generations of multispore. ill fruit over and over on a sub, take prints, start over and then after 1 or 2 generations the cubes fruit even better on that sub. sometimes its the next generation. you have some varieties that are a little more needy. but varying your substrates is a good method. using one substrate the whole time is the easy man's route. nothing wrong with it, but its good to mix things up.
i like putting all kinds of random things in my substrates. i don't generally stick to one method unless im really lazy, busy or in cruise control.
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yeah when people tell me things like "that won't work"
i always want to at least give it a try and if it does, show that it does work. its all trends or fads. things come and go. then in 2 years people will bump old threads to try to discredit them when they actually work. maybe bumping them to improve upon them is the correct route of action. rather than trying to force play the mass belief system. "against the grain" is how things progress. if we all think the same way every time and don't stray from our comfort zone, then how do we push through adversity?
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
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Third flush on my first tub that pinned. Came out just under 4 oz dry. I love supercake guys. It really gives the sub longevity. You gotta be working with clean spawn though. Here is the pic of the flush before I cut it.

My second tub is pinning its third flush now. I'll update and I'm going for a 4th on both of them
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Fivel]
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Fivel, sexy flush. I can't get enough of this hobby. Every time I come on these boards it feels like the firs time!
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Fivel said: Third flush on my first tub that pinned. Came out just under 4 oz dry. I love supercake guys. It really gives the sub longevity. You gotta be working with clean spawn though. Here is the pic of the flush before I cut it.

My second tub is pinning its third flush now. I'll update and I'm going for a 4th on both of them 
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pf amazon with supercake in it!
gotta love that supercake
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Do you have a massive amount of this supercake stored and use it whenever? I think I'll do that soon. I guess I'd have to properly pasteurize every time then eh? Seems worth it based on your fruits!
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yes i buy all the ingredients. mix it up and store it in gallon bags in the freezer. i toss about 1/4-1 full cup per mixing box. 2 gallon bags lasts me about a year.
yes i have never attempted adding it at the time of spawning raw. i always add it in to the substrate before it is mixed and pasteurized. you also don't want to leave these ingredients out wet. this is something you store dry. the corn meal and yeast ect will mold if you leave it wet. this is dry ingredient additive that needs pasteurization.
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yes i buy all the ingredients. mix it up and store it in gallon bags in the freezer. i toss about 1/4-1 full cup per mixing box. 2 gallon bags lasts me about a year.
yes i have never attempted adding it at the time of spawning raw. i always add it in to the substrate before it is mixed and pasteurized. you also don't want to leave these ingredients out wet. this is something you store dry. the corn meal and yeast ect will mold if you leave it wet. this is dry ingredient additive that needs pasteurization.
Have you ever tried using some of the ingredients that aren't as prone to molding? Like just worm castings, flax seed, etc? Which ingredients do you think are most likely to mold? It seems like the sugars in the bee pollen could mold easily..
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Have you ever tried using some of the ingredients that aren't as prone to molding? Like just worm castings, flax seed, etc? Which ingredients do you think are most likely to mold? It seems like the sugars in the bee pollen could mold easily..
the used coffee and gypsum are not part of the supercake mix. i actually don't really add those to that mix. i sometimes add those to bulk substrates as an additive as im mixing it in. but lately i haven't even been adding the coffee. the only reason id add small amounts of coffee was to give the substrate a little boost to speed it up to get a 3 day colonization. but now with slurries i can do it without coffee so i stopped using it.
the corn meals have sugars. this is meant to be stored dry. add it to your bulk subs before pasteurization. you don't want to let it sit out wet.
ive added plain kelp meal, flax seeds, cottonseed meal to bulk subs over the years individually into different substrates when i had nothing else available. but you don't need much at all per tub. it mixes in rather easily and then spawn after the substrate cools off. if you let it sit out it may be prone to mold. but once its colonized i don't find that it contaminates more than any other tub i don't use it in. ill get upwards of 5 flushes. and generally minimum of 3 without seeing contamination.
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Bee pollen contains roughly 25% carbohydrates. This would equate to about 8 grams of carbohydrates per tablespoon.
In these carbohydrates, from 10 to 15 percent is natural sugars, including fructose, glucose, pentose, raffinose, stachyose and sucrose.
So, if 15% of the carbs are sugars, then on average you'd have about 1.2 grams of natural sugars per tablespoon.
These are essentially the same simple natural sugars that are found in honey, and which exist in easily digested chains and bonds. Many are converted to a predigested form by the enzymatic action of the bee's salivary glands. What this means is the the sugars are burned very well by the human body. (and less likely to be stored as fat like refined sugars)
Bee pollen contains vitamins, minerals, carbohydrates, lipids, and protein. It comes from the pollen that collects on the bodies of bees. Bee pollen may also include bee saliva
these slurry grain tubs in this post had supercake in them. i cased the substrates and then tribal dunked them for a 2nd flush. im tribal dunking them again for the 3rd flush. no contams.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21300282#21300282
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
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Thanks for taking time to respond. Good stuff
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Dilated]
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no problem dilated. anytime man!
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#21343519 - 02/28/15 02:29 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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My God this is amazing!
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#21456228 - 03/25/15 04:02 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hi - thanks for the share! looks fantastic! I have 2 questions:
re: ground kelp meal - people/food grade? or is this a gardening product?
re: I have never seen cottonseed meal anywhere - where do you buy it?
I am leary about it- unless its organic? Cotton is one of the most heavily sprayed crops in the US.
Thank you!
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: LMJ]
#21456905 - 03/25/15 06:33 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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LMJ said: Hi - thanks for the share! looks fantastic! I have 2 questions:
re: ground kelp meal - people/food grade? or is this a gardening product?
re: I have never seen cottonseed meal anywhere - where do you buy it?
I am leary about it- unless its organic? Cotton is one of the most heavily sprayed crops in the US.
Thank you!
cottonseed meal can be bought online at organic stores. a 5lb bag can last ages. brand is green sense organic gardens. yeah get organic brand.
ground kelp is also an organic product. its food grade.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#21463892 - 03/27/15 01:02 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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cottonseed meal can be bought online at organic stores. a 5lb bag can last ages. brand is green sense organic gardens. yeah get organic brand.
ground kelp is also an organic product. its food grade.
thank you much
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#21649608 - 05/07/15 03:29 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yo eats thanks for the info it's very educational I'd like to get your opinion on something's for educational purposes only retaining to this formula ect no info will actually be used in real life Im Just curious about how you do it. May I add u your doing a great job and I see your post and I honestly I think your a genius your journals are fascinating I want a chance to chat I'd like that if u can hit me back peace love and happiness brother and I'm not on here to start any drama so plz no bad comments All Info Is for EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES I DO NoT IN ANY WaY actually do this stuff I'm just a curious person wanting answers
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what are you trying to figure out?
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Trippymushie said: Yo eats thanks for the info it's very educational I'd like to get your opinion on something's for educational purposes only retaining to this formula ect no info will actually be used in real life Im Just curious about how you do it. May I add u your doing a great job and I see your post and I honestly I think your a genius your journals are fascinating I want a chance to chat I'd like that if u can hit me back peace love and happiness brother and I'm not on here to start any drama so plz no bad comments All Info Is for EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES I DO NoT IN ANY WaY actually do this stuff I'm just a curious person wanting answers
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: blackdust]
#21655064 - 05/08/15 09:15 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol are you asking yourself that?
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#21726900 - 05/26/15 10:39 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey there.. First off... AMAZING RESULTS. Holy Moly!! Bravo.
With that said.. Have you ever tried Casing this? I mean I see it isnt necessary. But would it be beneficial? or just overkill? I have read through this entire post and see you mentioned that you don't case anymore because it is an extra hassle. But have you ever cased this recipe? and if so, how did it compare? I initially planed to use this http://www.shroomery.org/54/50-50-Casing-Tek (The Plus version) for my bulk attempts, that is, until I came across the SuperCake recipe.. now Im wondering if its even worth the hassle.
Additionally could you suggest a link to a perfect H-Poo recipe to mix the supercakes into? I have read your EZ Bulk Subs thread and see that you use Coco fiber, Strawnet, and Gypsum.. but I have already gone through the hassle of obtaining a substantial amount of field aged Horse poo.. and Straw for that matter.. So I might as well put it to use. (And will deffinitely be trying out your EZ Bulk Subs method when I run out) So, is there any particular recipe you could suggest for me to use with this phenomenal additive?
PLEASSSE. Any insight is GREATLY appreciated. Thank you so much in advance.
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yes i have cased it. after you pasteurize bulk substrate with supplementation you want to spawn when its cool. don't let it sit for a few days. it is not like cvg. i used to do a 50/50 dung/straw mix with about 20% of that volume being verm. hpoo on the the other hand is different. you don't really need to add the straw. most of the time it has the straw mixed right in. id do a 20% verm to hpoo ratio. might want to ask azur he uses hpoo quite often and may use a different ratio. he also uses a higher spawn ratio than i do.
ive always used a 50/50 mix of coir/verm for my casings. it seems to work well. no ph buffering necessary. also you can add a dash of gypsum to that and it never hurts.
i not only use it in strawnet/coir mixes. i have also used this in hpoo, cow dung/straw, cvg and a few other varying recipes ive messed with.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#21730562 - 05/27/15 10:21 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you so much for your response! I will try a few cakes cased and a few not and see what works for me. I really appreciate your input and true wealth of knowledge. I asked Azur and he said he does 50/50 Hpoo/Verm with a dash of Gypsum. Im thinking somewhere along the lines of 25 percent ratios of coir/verm/strawnet/hpoo as i read that you had done and supplemented with the supercake formula. Though that was almost 6 years ago, so i didnt dare respond to that thread.
Again THANK YOU for everything. The internet is one helluva place
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#21730588 - 05/27/15 10:31 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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One more quick question I forgot to ask.. Is SummitSeed the only place to get strawnet?? Seems I cant find ANYTHING online about it except here, and still no mention where to buy with the exception of SummitSeed.. which it appears you need to call to place an order... anyplace I can actually view prices and just order some like any other online store?
Thanks again!
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yeah summitseed. they are good people. but you have to have it delivered. its quite costly if you get a 50lb bag. but i have a 50lb bag last me 8 years worth of grows.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#21732824 - 05/28/15 02:39 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just got off the phone with Summit.. apparently they are no longer producing strawnet!! She reffered me to the replacement product which is Hydrostraw's "all Purpose straw" http://www.hydrostraw.com/products/hydroseeding-allpurpose/ she said it basically does the same thing but is not pellitized. Ugh.. now i guess this is my only option? Maybe i will create a thread and see if anyone has some strawnet they could spare to sell me. Eyeyeye 
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BernardKingston said: Just got off the phone with Summit.. apparently they are no longer producing strawnet!! She reffered me to the replacement product which is Hydrostraw's "all Purpose straw" http://www.hydrostraw.com/products/hydroseeding-allpurpose/ she said it basically does the same thing but is not pellitized. Ugh.. now i guess this is my only option? Maybe i will create a thread and see if anyone has some strawnet they could spare to sell me. Eyeyeye  
i did a 10 second google search and found tonnes of pelletized straw, or is there anything specific about that strawnet?
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Aero]
#21732947 - 05/28/15 03:22 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, I mean i am just a noob and like to follow all teks to the T. I see pelletized straw but it is Barley. Will this act different than Wheat? I just have seen everyone on here talk about Strawnet specifically, and it seems to be a godsend among traditional straw products. Any input as to Wheat vs. Barley? I also came accross this EZ straw mulch. http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/ez-straw-mulch-with-tack-2-1-2-cu-ft seems to be the same as the Hydrostraw All purpose.. hmm what do you guys think?
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BernardKingston said: Well, I mean i am just a noob and like to follow all teks to the T. I see pelletized straw but it is Barley. Will this act different than Wheat? I just have seen everyone on here talk about Strawnet specifically, and it seems to be a godsend among traditional straw products. Any input as to Wheat vs. Barley? I also came accross this EZ straw mulch. http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/ez-straw-mulch-with-tack-2-1-2-cu-ft seems to be the same as the Hydrostraw All purpose.. hmm what do you guys think?
once i went into a barn, asked for some hay, they gave a bag, i used it for shrooms, it was fine moral of the story, try it and ull see. make small batches first and decide which one suits u
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BernardKingston said: Just got off the phone with Summit.. apparently they are no longer producing strawnet!! She reffered me to the replacement product which is Hydrostraw's "all Purpose straw" http://www.hydrostraw.com/products/hydroseeding-allpurpose/ she said it basically does the same thing but is not pellitized. Ugh.. now i guess this is my only option? Maybe i will create a thread and see if anyone has some strawnet they could spare to sell me. Eyeyeye  
thanks. ill try it out when this 50lb bag runs out.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Aero]
#21733408 - 05/28/15 05:12 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Aero said:
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BernardKingston said: Just got off the phone with Summit.. apparently they are no longer producing strawnet!! She reffered me to the replacement product which is Hydrostraw's "all Purpose straw" http://www.hydrostraw.com/products/hydroseeding-allpurpose/ she said it basically does the same thing but is not pellitized. Ugh.. now i guess this is my only option? Maybe i will create a thread and see if anyone has some strawnet they could spare to sell me. Eyeyeye  
i did a 10 second google search and found tonnes of pelletized straw, or is there anything specific about that strawnet?
nope i just like it pelleted because it stores easy and i don't have to cut any straw. its also very easy to expand and when it does expand the particle size is about equivalent to coco fiber.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#21736132 - 05/29/15 09:39 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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BernardKingston said: Just got off the phone with Summit.. apparently they are no longer producing strawnet!! She reffered me to the replacement product which is Hydrostraw's "all Purpose straw" http://www.hydrostraw.com/products/hydroseeding-allpurpose/ she said it basically does the same thing but is not pellitized. Ugh.. now i guess this is my only option? Maybe i will create a thread and see if anyone has some strawnet they could spare to sell me. Eyeyeye  
i did a 10 second google search and found tonnes of pelletized straw, or is there anything specific about that strawnet?
nope i just like it pelleted because it stores easy and i don't have to cut any straw. its also very easy to expand and when it does expand the particle size is about equivalent to coco fiber.
ill have a look then, sounds like a good addition to bulk
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Aero]
#21824997 - 06/18/15 06:42 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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updated for clarity.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#22162250 - 08/29/15 07:51 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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if i were to use the original formula just for cakes, does it matter if i use regular flax seed or does it need to be flax seed meal?
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: blew42]
#23049652 - 03/26/16 09:27 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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added supercake to these two AA tubs. fruits were denser and taller than all other tubs. i kind of screwed up by letting the black plastic liner sit over half the tubs during pinning and so half the tubs didn't flush out. user error

AA+ with supercake formula.
 
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#23049875 - 03/26/16 10:34 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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worth the cost for all the extra stuff?
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: bw86]
#23049885 - 03/26/16 10:38 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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you only use a dash per tub so it lasts a few years worth of grows. so yes. generally its higher in nitrogen so i use it during the cooler winter months.
i made a 1 gallon bag of it when this thread was posted. and its still has about 1 cup of the mix left.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#23049909 - 03/26/16 10:44 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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i advocate a cheap as possible but i like good results
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#26538266 - 03/16/20 09:52 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Still works great in 2020! Surprised to not hear more about this. Hands down the best thing I’ve done as far as yields and quality of fruits. I keep 3 dry gallons on hand at all times.
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More testimony for supercake formula as a sub additive these are all first flush fruits white teacher__

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Nice pictures. What variety is it?
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#26578159 - 04/04/20 09:31 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Those are white teachers. Second run of the same genetics. I wasn’t anticipating that there would be such a significant difference or I would have taken photos of the first run. Luckily I have the same master on hand still, I’ll do a side by side and document next run.. Old thread but very relivant to me and made a huge difference in yield and quality of fruits.
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This is some good stuff! Question tho, can i use 2 cups yellow corn meal and leave the blue out? Thanks!
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: kingboomer]
#27586947 - 12/19/21 06:55 AM (3 years, 29 days ago) |
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So if I have reliably mixed all ingredients in a blender or a food processor. Can I just use blue and yellow corn flour instead since it seems to turn it that way regardless?
Also if anyone wants to trade for cottonseed meal I got a huge amount.
As for kelp meal. Do you need to use food grade? Like would organic kelp meal from gardening stuff work the same? And can I use corn meal that yellow and just another color if I can’t find blue corn meal. I just keep finding blue corn flour.
Such a major issue. I’d kill for a blender and some of the missing ingredients. So bad.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Adustus]
#27609694 - 01/06/22 08:54 PM (3 years, 11 days ago) |
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Can I purchase this mix from someone here (in the States)?
I cannot find all of these ingredients locally 😞
Also, is this added to bulk substrate that has been inoculated with (for example) grain spawn?
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Cosmicluggage said: Can I purchase this mix from someone here (in the States)?
I cannot find all of these ingredients locally 😞
Also, is this added to bulk substrate that has been inoculated with (for example) grain spawn?
Mush Love!
Honestly. At this point given how many don’t seem to know and how many struggle to get the ingredients. Sure. I’ll happily start offering it. Working on throwing a batch together now. Only need fresh bread pollen and kelp meal at this point and we’re golden.
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Cosmicluggage said: Can I purchase this mix from someone here (in the States)?
I cannot find all of these ingredients locally 😞
Also, is this added to bulk substrate that has been inoculated with (for example) grain spawn?
Mush Love!
Did you wanna pm me for a trade? That goes for anyone btw. I have tons of the cottonseed meal and kelp meal and all that crap. Have my own little add ins too but thats my special mix for me. I do make it as listed and with flax meal so it doesnt sprout. Its perfect. Dont ever bother rowing without it anymore
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