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eatyualive
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30 gallon trash bags. super easy. always have used those. i don't want to cut anymore plastic, nor shred anymore straw, nor make anymore casings. super lazy at this point in life man lmao. with work and all. time is of the essence.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20790395 - 11/03/14 10:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Very cool eat. Your CO2 levels must be a bit lower than most people's then. Probably why your spawn run is so fast. The dogma was always that if the O2 levels get too high excess nutes would then be consumed leaving less for later flushes but that is obviously not the case. Hmmmm.
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eatyualive
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Pastywhyte]
#20790400 - 11/03/14 10:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Very cool eat. Your CO2 levels must be a bit lower than most people's then. Probably why your spawn run is so fast. The dogma was always that if the O2 levels get too high excess nutes would then be consumed leaving less for later flushes but that is obviously not the case. Hmmmm.
don't believe everything your told. i mean every tub since 2004 ive used polyfil holes stuffed tight. nothing different. unless i was trying something like micropore tape or tyvek ect. ironed polyfil filters! seem to work great.
i started seeing people do that and didn't see any reason to make things more complicated. the idea is to " not do anything". put the formula in, let the tub do the rest. however, i now manually dunk tubs between flushes. but thats the only maintenance i do unless some polyfil holes fallout and i don't see it for 12 hours. thats usually the killer for me. when its too loose and it falls out and when i get back 12 hours later its dried out. for this reason, the gap of time, i can't leave my polyfil extremely loose in the tops. i leave it tight on one side, loose on 3 sides. the side thats in tight. i have an oscillating fan moving back and forth on the opposite side of the room the tubs are on. its not a giant fan but a stand up fan. i have another two i tried, which dried the tubs out in an hour. this one isn't as strong on the lowest setting.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20790531 - 11/03/14 10:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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My BS radar is functional but some things ya never think to question. However my experiences lately have me questioning almost all the gospel. Good thing I always been stupid and do anything I am told not to
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stareatclouds
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Pastywhyte]
#20790631 - 11/03/14 11:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Damn, those are some serious hauls, eat. Very impressive! Thanks for the helpful information. I can't wait to have some grain spawn to try all the bulk methods out on.
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eatyualive
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Pastywhyte]
#20793368 - 11/04/14 05:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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stareatclouds said: Damn, those are some serious hauls, eat. Very impressive! Thanks for the helpful information. I can't wait to have some grain spawn to try all the bulk methods out on.
thanks, its not so much about the bulk method. any bulk substrate will fruit fine. its really about putting all the factors into the equation and the equation solves itself. just make sure to have the correct environmental factors fora the entire mushroom growth cycle and good fae. your situation may vary so you may have to tweak some methods or philosophies people have. theres tons out there. but most of them work. there isn't one set way thats better than any other way. its small little things people do differently that may work for their situation and environment while not working at all in my environment.
the keys that help my grows are mixing the spawn very evenly into the substrate and making sure to get at the bottom corners and mix a good amount of spawn in those areas so that there is spawn and not pockets of substrate that doesn't have spawn.
making an even fruiting level helps tremendously. i don't case so it doesn't have to be perfect. but the more even you can make it the better.
also speedy spawn runs are the best idea. you want to colonize your bulk subs in less than a week. 6 days tops. and id even go on a limb and say that you shouldn't be taking more than a week to get fully colonized jars in g2g grain. if it takes longer than that, well....
moisture content in your substrate is one of the key factors. things like gypsum/ lime ect aren't necessary in a bulk substrate. they don't hurt but honestly ive never used gypsum until the last 40 tub grows and I don't see any real difference in fruiting. id say putting less in the subs actually works better. for about 16 years ive grown off of dung/straw and other bulk subs. i like hpoo the best and other donkey and mule shit. only reason i don't use it anymore is cost and time to gather it. pelletized straw is a great additive and even strawnet or mowed grass works great.
mixing up your substrate from time to time and then taking prints is a good way of getting consistent fruits after a few generations of multispore. ill fruit over and over on a sub, take prints, start over and then after 1 or 2 generations the cubes fruit even better on that sub. sometimes its the next generation. you have some varieties that are a little more needy. but varying your substrates is a good method. using one substrate the whole time is the easy man's route. nothing wrong with it, but its good to mix things up.
i like putting all kinds of random things in my substrates. i don't generally stick to one method unless im really lazy, busy or in cruise control.
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Pastywhyte said: My BS radar is functional but some things ya never think to question. However my experiences lately have me questioning almost all the gospel. Good thing I always been stupid and do anything I am told not to 
yeah when people tell me things like "that won't work"
i always want to at least give it a try and if it does, show that it does work. its all trends or fads. things come and go. then in 2 years people will bump old threads to try to discredit them when they actually work. maybe bumping them to improve upon them is the correct route of action. rather than trying to force play the mass belief system. "against the grain" is how things progress. if we all think the same way every time and don't stray from our comfort zone, then how do we push through adversity?
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20866308 - 11/20/14 04:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Third flush on my first tub that pinned. Came out just under 4 oz dry. I love supercake guys. It really gives the sub longevity. You gotta be working with clean spawn though. Here is the pic of the flush before I cut it.

My second tub is pinning its third flush now. I'll update and I'm going for a 4th on both of them
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Fivel]
#20868174 - 11/20/14 09:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fivel, sexy flush. I can't get enough of this hobby. Every time I come on these boards it feels like the firs time!
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eatyualive
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Fivel]
#20868218 - 11/20/14 10:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fivel said: Third flush on my first tub that pinned. Came out just under 4 oz dry. I love supercake guys. It really gives the sub longevity. You gotta be working with clean spawn though. Here is the pic of the flush before I cut it.

My second tub is pinning its third flush now. I'll update and I'm going for a 4th on both of them 
nice job Fivel!
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eatyualive
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#21296034 - 02/18/15 09:52 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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pf amazon with supercake in it!
gotta love that supercake
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stareatclouds
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#21296061 - 02/18/15 09:55 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Do you have a massive amount of this supercake stored and use it whenever? I think I'll do that soon. I guess I'd have to properly pasteurize every time then eh? Seems worth it based on your fruits!
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eatyualive
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stareatclouds said: Do you have a massive amount of this supercake stored and use it whenever? I think I'll do that soon. I guess I'd have to properly pasteurize every time then eh? Seems worth it based on your fruits!
yes i buy all the ingredients. mix it up and store it in gallon bags in the freezer. i toss about 1/4-1 full cup per mixing box. 2 gallon bags lasts me about a year.
yes i have never attempted adding it at the time of spawning raw. i always add it in to the substrate before it is mixed and pasteurized. you also don't want to leave these ingredients out wet. this is something you store dry. the corn meal and yeast ect will mold if you leave it wet. this is dry ingredient additive that needs pasteurization.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#21296304 - 02/18/15 10:52 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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eatyualive said:
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stareatclouds said: Do you have a massive amount of this supercake stored and use it whenever? I think I'll do that soon. I guess I'd have to properly pasteurize every time then eh? Seems worth it based on your fruits!
yes i buy all the ingredients. mix it up and store it in gallon bags in the freezer. i toss about 1/4-1 full cup per mixing box. 2 gallon bags lasts me about a year.
yes i have never attempted adding it at the time of spawning raw. i always add it in to the substrate before it is mixed and pasteurized. you also don't want to leave these ingredients out wet. this is something you store dry. the corn meal and yeast ect will mold if you leave it wet. this is dry ingredient additive that needs pasteurization.
Have you ever tried using some of the ingredients that aren't as prone to molding? Like just worm castings, flax seed, etc? Which ingredients do you think are most likely to mold? It seems like the sugars in the bee pollen could mold easily..
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Dilated]
#21298087 - 02/19/15 10:29 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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additives!!!
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eatyualive
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Dilated]
#21300675 - 02/19/15 07:31 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dilated said:
Have you ever tried using some of the ingredients that aren't as prone to molding? Like just worm castings, flax seed, etc? Which ingredients do you think are most likely to mold? It seems like the sugars in the bee pollen could mold easily..
the used coffee and gypsum are not part of the supercake mix. i actually don't really add those to that mix. i sometimes add those to bulk substrates as an additive as im mixing it in. but lately i haven't even been adding the coffee. the only reason id add small amounts of coffee was to give the substrate a little boost to speed it up to get a 3 day colonization. but now with slurries i can do it without coffee so i stopped using it.
the corn meals have sugars. this is meant to be stored dry. add it to your bulk subs before pasteurization. you don't want to let it sit out wet.
ive added plain kelp meal, flax seeds, cottonseed meal to bulk subs over the years individually into different substrates when i had nothing else available. but you don't need much at all per tub. it mixes in rather easily and then spawn after the substrate cools off. if you let it sit out it may be prone to mold. but once its colonized i don't find that it contaminates more than any other tub i don't use it in. ill get upwards of 5 flushes. and generally minimum of 3 without seeing contamination.
here is some info on bee pollen.
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Bee pollen contains roughly 25% carbohydrates. This would equate to about 8 grams of carbohydrates per tablespoon.
In these carbohydrates, from 10 to 15 percent is natural sugars, including fructose, glucose, pentose, raffinose, stachyose and sucrose.
So, if 15% of the carbs are sugars, then on average you'd have about 1.2 grams of natural sugars per tablespoon.
These are essentially the same simple natural sugars that are found in honey, and which exist in easily digested chains and bonds. Many are converted to a predigested form by the enzymatic action of the bee's salivary glands. What this means is the the sugars are burned very well by the human body. (and less likely to be stored as fat like refined sugars)
Bee pollen contains vitamins, minerals, carbohydrates, lipids, and protein. It comes from the pollen that collects on the bodies of bees. Bee pollen may also include bee saliva
these slurry grain tubs in this post had supercake in them. i cased the substrates and then tribal dunked them for a 2nd flush. im tribal dunking them again for the 3rd flush. no contams.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21300282#21300282
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#21304057 - 02/20/15 01:24 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for taking time to respond. Good stuff
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eatyualive
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Dilated]
#21307002 - 02/21/15 07:02 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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no problem dilated. anytime man!
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#21343519 - 02/28/15 02:29 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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My God this is amazing!
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#21456228 - 03/25/15 04:02 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hi - thanks for the share! looks fantastic! I have 2 questions:
re: ground kelp meal - people/food grade? or is this a gardening product?
re: I have never seen cottonseed meal anywhere - where do you buy it?
I am leary about it- unless its organic? Cotton is one of the most heavily sprayed crops in the US.
Thank you!
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eatyualive
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: LMJ]
#21456905 - 03/25/15 06:33 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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LMJ said: Hi - thanks for the share! looks fantastic! I have 2 questions:
re: ground kelp meal - people/food grade? or is this a gardening product?
re: I have never seen cottonseed meal anywhere - where do you buy it?
I am leary about it- unless its organic? Cotton is one of the most heavily sprayed crops in the US.
Thank you!
cottonseed meal can be bought online at organic stores. a 5lb bag can last ages. brand is green sense organic gardens. yeah get organic brand.
ground kelp is also an organic product. its food grade.
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