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eatyualive
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Hipie3's Supercake Formula 2
#20389354 - 08/07/14 07:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hippie's supercake formula
Since 2008-2009 Supercake formula has been tested and used as a bulk substrate additive for increased performance through multiple flushes. It helps increase spawn run speeds, bulk up mushroom size.
Adding substrate nutrients is not like using CVG where you can leave it sitting out wet and expect the substrate to be fine for 3 weeks. This will contaminate if you leave it out wet as the nutrients are very nitrogen rich. This is why we store the supercake formula dry and add as we mix our substrate. The idea is to mix this into your substrate as a dry additive. You pasteurize the substrate and then spawn once substrate temperature has cooled. Bulk substrates with supercake additive are generally spawned within the day after they are pasteurized. Don't let this sit out for a week thinking its the ultimate substrate that is contam free. That is not the case, this is used to increase performance and speed through spawn run and multiple flushes.
Hip used to use this as a pf cake additive. This thread is using it as a substrate dry ingredient additive. Below is the original supercake formula.
Hip's Words:
i use lake water with 2 tablespoons of liquid kelp extract added per gallon i toss a cup of worm castings in a 2.5 gallon jug with that and let it brew a couple days
> a batch = 12 half pints
each batch gets 4 heaping cups vermiculite , medium horticultural grade. 2 heaping cups coarse freshly ground rice 2 level cups lake water 'tea'
then i add
1 teaspoon of nutritional yeast, 1 tablespoon bee pollen, 1 tablespoon flax seed 1 tablespoon shredded coconut meat/flour 1 tablespoon blue corn meal 1 tablespoon coarse yellow corn meal 1 tablespoon of powdered/ground kelp meal 1 tablespoon of cottonseed meal
Below We are making supercake formula now for a dry bulk substrate additive. Make a big batch of it to store in the freezer for 6 months to a years worth of grows. You want to fill a 1 gallon bag so that you won't need to mix anymore for some time.
1 cup =16 tablespoons 16 teaspoons=1/3 cup
1 Gallon Bag Recipe 2/3 cups nutritional yeast since the yeast is teaspoons and not tablespoons.
2 cups of each ingredient listed here
- bee pollen
- flax seed
- shredded coconut meat/flour
- blue corn meal
- coarse yellow corn meal
- powdered/ground kelp meal
- cottonseed meal
You will need a 1/3 cup measuring tool and a 1 cup measuring tool.

 
bee pollen


flax meal
 
shredded coconut meal/coconut flour
 
blue corn meal
 
coarse yellow corn meal
 
ground kelp
 
cottonseed meal
 
Here is a walk through of the mix
A soon to be Dung Flower



Here are the pictures of the mix after it is completely mixed.


The best part is that it smells like coconut.
You will only need 1/2 cup per tub of substrate. So when you make a two tub mix you will use approximately 1 cup per batch.
The substrate is mixed up thoroughly. Supercake is then added by pouring the dry mix evenly over the top of the mixed substrate. Then the substrate and supercake are mixed thoroughly and evenly. The substrate is oven pasteurized for 2 hours after a core temp of 170 is reached.
Here is a small sample of results over the years using supercake dry additive to bulk subs.
some of the fruits grew as long as my arm in the links below.
Huge Shrooms
Non Cased Substrates


this image is a flush. these are 56 quart tubs and actually much smaller than my normal tubs. its 4 quarts spawn and 2 turkey tins volume of substrate being coir/strawnet/verm. it just bulks up the fruit size like they been taking steroids.

all the fruits in this flush hit the lid. non cased tub.

tests
Tex Cubensis Supercake
Burma with supercake
Armlong Size Shrooms
Below is a 2 tub comparison with supercake. You will see that this additive can go multiple flushes even with dunks between flushes with great success and little to no contamination.
TLY TUB 8: cased: 4 Quarts Grain Spawn/1 Quart Slurry/ 10 Quarts Substrate: 1 Brick Coir/ 1 Quarts Verm/ 1 cup strawnet/ 1 cup gypsum/ 1/4 cup supercake formula 1st:
    2nd flush:
 3rd flush:
 
TLY TUB 9: cased: 4 Quarts Grain Spawn/1 Quart Slurry/ 10 Quarts Substrate: 1 Brick Coir/ 1 Quarts Verm/ 1 cup strawnet/ 1 cup gypsum/ 1/4 cup supercake formula 1st:
  
2nd flush:
  3rd flush:
   
Edited by eatyualive (07/18/15 08:35 AM)
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20393174 - 08/08/14 07:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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im using this in my APE bulk subs soon. only modification im making is to use flax meal rather than flax seed. i sometimes get sprouts from the flax seed. it doesn't really cause any issues but id rather have a clean looking flush. this also speeds my colonization of bulk subs to 3 days.
Edited by eatyualive (08/08/14 07:31 PM)
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20393374 - 08/08/14 08:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Looks sweet and sexy. Make sure and post that this is experimental. As a TC you should point out that this is more advanced mycology.
Makes me want to try different things. But for the most part. I love the results.
Good job sir.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Sockadin]
#20393400 - 08/08/14 08:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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How is this advanced? It's just a cake recipe with out of the norm ingredients.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Ghatti]
#20393674 - 08/08/14 09:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Ghatti]
#20393706 - 08/08/14 10:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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eatualive, great thread as always brother.
What do you think the benefits of lakewater are? A few things come to my mind but I'd like your insight into it.
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Also what do you use to inoculate? MS? or LC?
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Pastywhyte]
#20394821 - 08/09/14 08:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Sockadin said: Looks sweet and sexy. Make sure and post that this is experimental. As a TC you should point out that this is more advanced mycology.
Makes me want to try different things. But for the most part. I love the results.
Good job sir.
ive tested over the last five years with good success. when i dig up more threads ill post them. im having issues finding all the threads over the years on other sites. it makes the substrate colonize in a few days and the fruits get massive. here are two old experiments.
some of the fruits grew as long as my arm in the links below.
Huge Shrooms
Non Cased Substrates
or if you don't want to read through the thread.


this image is a flush. these are 56 quart tubs and actually much smaller than my normal tubs. its 4 quarts spawn and 2 turkey tins volume of substrate being coir/strawnet/verm. it just bulks up the fruit size like they been taking steroids.

all the fruits in this flush hit the lid. i have 50 more examples it just takes time to find it.

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Pastywhyte said:

Also what do you use to inoculate? MS? or LC?
both. both work.
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TheEaglesGift said: eatualive, great thread as always brother.
What do you think the benefits of lakewater are? A few things come to my mind but I'd like your insight into it.
thanks but not really my idea. its from hippie3. i just didn't find anything on it, and was about to use it as a bulk substrate additive. i don't actually use it in cakes. i dump about a 1/4 cup of this mix into my bulk subs when im mixing them to pasteurize. im also using dry kelp meal.
someone said this Quote:
the desired effect of the live organisms in the lake water and the use of castings is to add necessary nutrients and make them as well-suited to the mycelial growth as possible. The lake water organisms contain lots of nitrogen and phosphor...I think.
i don't use the natural water just tap water. but, i honestly don't know because i have not tried it. i've even heard of people using disgarded fishtank water in theirs. but i can tell you that even without the lake water, my subs grow in 3 days after spawning. the increased heat from the mix speeds up the incubation time. i remember a long time ago there was this additive you could get called spawnmate. i used to use that too.
i am also using flax meal rather than flax seed. ive had flax seed sprout before a few times. i don't use the lake water just tap water.
Edited by eatyualive (08/11/14 07:57 PM)
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20396245 - 08/09/14 03:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the reply brother. 
I'm doing up 2 tubs of Penis Envy in a few days. I think I'll be taking a trip to the local lake.
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Can't see the links, i get this error msg:
This message indicates that your account with Mycotopia has been cancelled and you have been banned. This may have been caused by failing to follow the board rules or from spamming.

Good recipe though!
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20396284 - 08/09/14 03:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's probably for the best Alien. Shroomery for life! To be honest, when I started out I couldn't even figure out how to register with mycotopia. Whoever codes their site needs to lay off the shrooms.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20396345 - 08/09/14 04:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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 nice stuff as usual eatyoualive
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20396876 - 08/09/14 06:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mr. Alien said: Can't see the links, i get this error msg:
This message indicates that your account with Mycotopia has been cancelled and you have been banned. This may have been caused by failing to follow the board rules or from spamming.

Good recipe though!
the funniest part is that you are registered there lol..
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20396908 - 08/09/14 06:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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i know in 2008
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eatyualive
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20396909 - 08/09/14 06:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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it says your banned. how are you able to post? lol
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: eatyualive]
#20396922 - 08/09/14 06:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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No i cant? why you say that? Are they posting with my account? Lol.
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20397483 - 08/09/14 10:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The plot thickens.
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Lol it doesn't say he's banned to me 
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Mycotopia account? Lol
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Re: Hipie3's Supercake Formula [Re: PsiloBeast]
#20397577 - 08/09/14 10:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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It should say:
Membership Cancellation This message indicates that your account with Mycotopia has been cancelled and you have been banned. This may have been caused by differ or having a different opinion by saying that LC inoculated with spores is a crap shot, that light is beneficial during colonisation or that a SHFC would need at least 4" or perlite for best performance.
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