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#20386055 - 08/06/14 11:03 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do they not realize that then the small business down the road paying their employees ~18 an hour will either have to also raise their wages up a considerable percentage (which they probably can't afford to do) or else risk seeing their employees leave for a job at McDonald's making fairly close to what they were making before, while doing a much easier job?
Idk, it just bugs me to read comments saying fast food joints should just up and nearly double their pay as if they would have no effect on the small-business economy within the community.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: TheMule73]
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I agree. Fast food jobs are shitty jobs by design. It's not like it was an accident. Shitty food too. How is that service WORTH fifteen dollars an hour...absurd. In my opinion 12 is a miracle just for fast food.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: TheMule73] 3
#20386091 - 08/06/14 11:16 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you think working fast food is an "easier job" then you must have never worked in the industry before. I see your point, but The small businesses usually have family and friends working for them and make out OK. I also think that it was in CA if I'm not mistaken. The wage should be on par with the price it takes to live in the area worked in. They have to afford housing and just basic life essentials.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
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I agree that wages should be in part, determined by cost of living of the area, but (and yes I have actually worked in food-court in a mall) even tho fast food jobs can be a bitch and it sucks no doubt, I don't know of any area in the U.S expensive enough that would warrant anything near 15 an hour to flip burgers (one of the lowest jobs on the totem pole, tho obviously still an honest living)
Like another poster said, 12 is a lot.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: TheMule73]
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One has to consider the person that works for fast may or may not have 1-5 kids or more. Maybe not. Maybe it would make other chain corporate restaurants pay more throughout the US. I feel like the 2.35 an hour thing for waiters is ludicrous. I have been in the bar/restaurant biz for 32 years and had to go back to school to get out of it. Got a nursing degree though.
I do think 12 an hour is OK and should be standard starting pay for that job.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
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I agree about that waiter wages. That's just insane. I don't like the idea of having an employee rely on customers for payment.
Nice, nursing is a solid way to go, no doubt.
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Scenario...someone who works at McDonald's does not pay to eat at McDonald's. The extra money they have is disposable income. That worker will then go eat at the mom and pop diner down the road. More money is circulating. How much merit their is to that is beyond me. Some of it is probably accurate.
And with the raise of wages comes to raising product prices...by a couple cents, for large corporations. Once again it'll barely dent the consumers total at the store. And now the Wal-Mart workers aren't on food stamps at other social programs can be funded.
For small retailers the price of their products would go up as well...or would it? Once again there is more disposable income and people have more incentive to go to the small retailer.
Just a cycle analytical clusterfuck thought process. I support raising the minimum wage to ten and seeing how it goes.
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Corporations raise the price simply because those fucking bastards will NEVER take less, EVER! It goes against everything capitalism stands for. It is a fuck all you guys I got mine now go get your own. It is my right as a corporation/greedy fuck to get as much as I possibly can.
ME:"But sir, you can still have the 30 billion for that."
THEM:"Fuck you, it is my right as a corporation to get 40 billion. 30 billion would bankrupt me!"   
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
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tyrannicalrex said: Corporations raise the price simply because those fucking bastards will NEVER take less, EVER! It goes against everything capitalism stands for. It is a fuck all you guys I got mine now go get your own. It is my right as a corporation/greedy fuck to get as much as I possibly can.
ME:"But sir, you can still have the 30 billion for that."
THEM:"Fuck you, it is my right as a corporation to get 40 billion. 30 billion would bankrupt me!"    
pretty much. I've been on vacation and Fox being the only news show on the satellite tv, I have been watching it. First off Bill O'Reilly is a fucking bastard puppet. That's irrelevant but I had to say it. Anyways they were talking about how Obama is looking to do something about companies incorporating overseas. So maybe something will be done about that...
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: King Klick] 1
#20386199 - 08/07/14 12:12 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol who the fuck is going to leave a job at a small local joint to make $3 less per hour at mcdonalds? working in mcdonalds would suck ass. I would take any other food service job I could find before working at a fast food restaurant.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
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if I had the choice of working between small business and fast food I would choose SB EVERYTIME. This mostly comes with the bullshit you need to deal with as a franchise. Everything must be done as per policy even if its totally impracticable. At a SB if the manger wants to close early so be it ect
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Shining Cosmos]
#20386217 - 08/07/14 12:25 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shining Cosmos said: I agree. Fast food jobs are shitty jobs by design. It's not like it was an accident. Shitty food too. How is that service WORTH fifteen dollars an hour...absurd. In my opinion 12 is a miracle just for fast food.
Right. These jobs are meant for teenagers, not supporting a family on. Unfortunately, that's mostly who it is
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
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Fast food and retail don't get paid enough for the shit they have to put up with. Everyone I know living off minimum wage has to have government assistance. Minimum wage is like $7.52 here. The only real difference in cost in living in Ohio is cheaper housing.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: TheMule73] 1
#20386227 - 08/07/14 12:32 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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seattle made min wage 15/hr I think. inflation is coming. politicians only do it for votes, citizens want it because they are ignorant, ftw
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Shroomin Capote]
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We need to do something about these corporations.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: TheMule73]
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TheMule73 said: I agree that wages should be in part, determined by cost of living of the area, but (and yes I have actually worked in food-court in a mall) even tho fast food jobs can be a bitch and it sucks no doubt, I don't know of any area in the U.S expensive enough that would warrant anything near 15 an hour to flip burgers (one of the lowest jobs on the totem pole, tho obviously still an honest living)
Like another poster said, 12 is a lot.
taco johns is hiring for 20$ an hour in north dakota when i left
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Legend]
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it seems these corporations are some type of life form that feeds off money, so I think if we deprive them of cash, maybe, just maybe, they will all die a slow, painful death
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Shroomin Capote]
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At this thread as whole.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: King Klick]
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tyrannicalrex said: Corporations raise the price simply because those fucking bastards will NEVER take less, EVER! It goes against everything capitalism stands for. It is a fuck all you guys I got mine now go get your own. It is my right as a corporation/greedy fuck to get as much as I possibly can.
ME:"But sir, you can still have the 30 billion for that."
THEM:"Fuck you, it is my right as a corporation to get 40 billion. 30 billion would bankrupt me!"    
pretty much. I've been on vacation and Fox being the only news show on the satellite tv, I have been watching it. First off Bill O'Reilly is a fucking bastard puppet. That's irrelevant but I had to say it. Anyways they were talking about how Obama is looking to do something about companies incorporating overseas. So maybe something will be done about that...
a few years ago obama came to my town to talk with the higher ups at the company i work for...he wanted the company to stay in my state.....if this company decided to move there would be 30k+ ppl jobless....on topic with mcdonalds...there are jobs at my company that pay 10 dollars an hr and should pay 40 if anyone thinks mcdonalds needs to raise there wages....there employes act like it's my fault they fucked up my order...fuck McDonalds and their employes....
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: jboredone]
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Raising the minimum wage stimulates the economy. There is already a 500% markup on everything off the dollar menu at McDonalds.
And McDonald's is an easy job to suck at. If you want to be good, it's pretty difficult. Customer idiocy gets in the way and the employees who do not care, drag the entire location down. My current job (making $6/hour more than McDonalds) is an engineering job designing HVAC and plumbing for commercial buildings. It's is easier than McDonald's was.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: King Klick]
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King Klick said: Scenario...someone who works at McDonald's does not pay to eat at McDonald's. The extra money they have is disposable income. That worker will then go eat at the mom and pop diner down the road. More money is circulating. How much merit their is to that is beyond me. Some of it is probably accurate.
McDonalds stores arent owned by McDonalds, it's a franchise system, individuals buy the franchise and then they pay a royalty every year to maintain the rights to use the name
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And with the raise of wages comes to raising product prices...by a couple cents, for large corporations. Once again it'll barely dent the consumers total at the store. And now the Wal-Mart workers aren't on food stamps at other social programs can be funded.
I love how this works, some journalist decides to mislead the public by making claims that walmart employees have to get food stamps to survive, first, I'm sure some are on food stamps, I'm sure some also have 3 or more children but what's even more amusing is that walmart stopped direct hiring employees, they hire through a temp service several years ago, walmart employees make a decent wage, temp service employees make $8/hr
now for the anecdote about walmart/food stamps, I work with people that have a base pay of $12/hr, a number of them are also on food stamps and collecting other government benefits, I know of one that was offered a promotion that would have started her at $17/hr but she refused because the difference in pay would have had her dropped from the government tit which is, when combined with her paycheck, more than $17/hr. she also drives a newer model SUV, wears nice clothes and seems that she gets out and parties a lot based on what she tells me
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: lovecheese]
#20386652 - 08/07/14 06:15 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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lovecheese said: Raising the minimum wage stimulates the economy. There is already a 500% markup on everything off the dollar menu at McDonalds.
and after a wage increase, then what, a 4500% markup, how has that helped the economy
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: lovecheese]
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Luckily I get paid production...Each part i run has a set price per part....I run a bunch i make a bunch...I run little i make little....there are ppl that do exactly what i do and make 100 dollars less a day just because they are bums....i think every place should pay based on your work ethic....wanna be a bum well your gonna make min wage...wanna be a hard worker then you should make more than that lazy bum....
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: D.M.T]
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D.M.T said: Fast food and retail don't get paid enough for the shit they have to put up with. Everyone I know living off minimum wage has to have government assistance. Minimum wage is like $7.52 here. The only real difference in cost in living in Ohio is cheaper housing.

It's $7.25 here.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
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Fast food is easy no skill work and deserves shit pay.
No way in hell should some one flipping burgers get nearly the same pay as a construction worker.
If you think fast food is hard work life is going to be very difficult for you.
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trekie said: Fast food is easy no skill work and deserves shit pay.
No way in hell should some one flipping burgers get nearly the same pay as a construction worker.
If you think fast food is hard work life is going to be very difficult for you.
I've worked construction. I'm (or, well, I used to be) a tile man, and a decent painter.
I'd rather work construction any day of the week than work fast food.
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trekie said: If you think fast food is hard work life is going to be very difficult for you.
it's not hard work and it's only a little stressful when you have to deal with some of the retards or if you panic during a rush, hell, the McDonalds near me cant get shit right. cold undercooked fries and too much sauce on burgers, the shit is inedible, if they arent capable of getting condiments right at $8/hr then how the fuck will they manage at $15/hr
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: lovecheese]
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lovecheese said: There is already a 500% markup on everything off the dollar menu at McDonalds.
Who taught you food cost? Jewelry doesn't even have a 500% mark up anymore.
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it's not hard work and it's only a little stressful when you have to deal with some of the retards or if you panic during a rush, hell, the McDonalds near me cant get shit right. cold undercooked fries and too much sauce on burgers, the shit is inedible, if they arent capable of getting condiments right at $8/hr then how the fuck will they manage at $15/hr
Pris what are you talking about the fries are on timers the meat is on timers and the condiments come out of a caulking gun preset to dispense the amount called for.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: r00tuuu123]
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The mcdonalds people have kids to take care of they need the money they have families and a home to pay for.
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ShiVersblood said: The mcdonalds people have kids to take care of they need the money they have families and a home to pay for.
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tyrannicalrex said: One has to consider the person that works for fast may or may not have 1-5 kids or more. Maybe not. Maybe it would make other chain corporate restaurants pay more throughout the US. I feel like the 2.35 an hour thing for waiters is ludicrous. I have been in the bar/restaurant biz for 32 years and had to go back to school to get out of it. Got a nursing degree though.
I do think 12 an hour is OK and should be standard starting pay for that job.
If there stupid enough to have a children and have no better prospects than a minimum wage job fuck em. We should sterilize idiots like that.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: TheMule73]
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This same thread again?
This crap debate gets re-posted every week with either zappa, pris or gilamish posting against the raise and every other member filling pages in disagreement... how many times do you people need to repeat yourselves?
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Murph said: This same thread again?
This crap debate gets re-posted every week with either zappa, pris or gilamish posting against the raise and every other member filling pages in disagreement... how many times do you people need to repeat yourselves?
Murph no one forces you to read threads.
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Murph said: This same thread again?
This crap debate gets re-posted every week with either zappa, pris or gilamish posting against the raise and every other member filling pages in disagreement... how many times do you people need to repeat yourselves?
Murph no one forces you to read threads.
Well apparently he doesnt read them either cause anyone who works for 12-20 an hour does not want to pay these bums any more. Its easy to say pay these people more when you either work shit jobs or suck on mommys tit still
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#20386793 - 08/07/14 07:11 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is somebody forcing you to re-make the same thread every week or is it just long term memory loss?
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Murph]
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Murph said: Is somebody forcing you to re-make the same thread every week or is it just long term memory loss?
Again no one forces you to read threads you don't like. There is a hide thread feature that this site has implemented you should use it.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: TheMule73]
#20387147 - 08/07/14 09:37 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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TheMule73 said: Do they not realize that then the small business down the road paying their employees ~18 an hour will either have to also raise their wages up a considerable percentage (which they probably can't afford to do) or else risk seeing their employees leave for a job at McDonald's making fairly close to what they were making before, while doing a much easier job?
Why would other businesses have to also hike their wages? Once McDonald's has no more positions to fill, how are people going to leave their jobs to work for them?
Once you have a excess pool of labor like we currently have, there is no threat of workers leaving their jobs, there are no wage pressures on employers.
The fact of the matter is, a company like Costco can pay above average wages and it has no impact on other retailers, your fears are unfounded.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: qman]
#20387247 - 08/07/14 10:03 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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If they started It at 10 it could be a good idea. It would attract a slightly higher echelon of workers who don't make shit. Which could force the fast food bums to step there game up.
I think fast food is a glass house. Obama is bragging about job creation, if it's shitty jobs like this who cares? Fast food is a glasshouse. Dishing out cancer ridden food products for pay? No thanks. I'd rather be telemarketing
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Shining Cosmos]
#20387322 - 08/07/14 10:22 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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$10 an hr isn't close to a living wage in the US.
Belittling the workers labor and labeling them as undeserving of a fair wage is just another shill tactic to divide people with bullshit partisan politics.
If a small business cant afford to pay the employees enough to live in this country they should close down shop because their business is an absolute failure.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Murph]
#20387378 - 08/07/14 10:41 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's how it is in seatac. I think skilled workers should scale with the change. But all its doing is speeding up inflation.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Enjoywho]
#20387526 - 08/07/14 11:26 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not belittling the workers I'm belittling the job itself. I just don't see how anyone deserves 15 per hour to serve hot n' fresh cancer
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: r00tuuu123]
#20387564 - 08/07/14 11:36 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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it's not hard work and it's only a little stressful when you have to deal with some of the retards or if you panic during a rush, hell, the McDonalds near me cant get shit right. cold undercooked fries and too much sauce on burgers, the shit is inedible, if they arent capable of getting condiments right at $8/hr then how the fuck will they manage at $15/hr
Pris what are you talking about the fries are on timers the meat is on timers and the condiments come out of a caulking gun preset to dispense the amount called for.
and I suppose timers cannot be ignored, that adjustment to the caulk gun couldnt be made or that people there dont give a double dose of the special sauce when ever they feel like it, I know what my experiences have been at McDonalds, had another this morning when my kids hounded me for breakfast, a steak McMuffin where the muffin was greasy as fuck, I wonder how those grease dispensers work
I'm pretty sure that when people drop that basket of fries they're supposed to hit the timer, if the timer beeps at 5 minutes then the timer beeps but I'm also pretty sure that the timer doesnt automatically remove the fries and that it doesnt slap people's hands for trying to pull them early during a rush, I doubt they have sensors to detect if a burger has already had ketchup or sauce added already... feel free to correct me if I'm wrong
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Murph]
#20387565 - 08/07/14 11:36 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Murph said: $10 an hr isn't close to a living wage in the US.
Belittling the workers labor and labeling them as undeserving of a fair wage is just another shill tactic to divide people with bullshit partisan politics.
If a small business cant afford to pay the employees enough to live in this country they should close down shop because their business is an absolute failure.
Unfortunately, when there's an excess pool of labor, wages fall. Some small businesses operate on very small margins today and wages are a huge part of their operating cost, higher wages (in some cases) mean they go out of business.
The US economy has been structurally damaged the last 30 years from outsourcing jobs out of the country, this has a huge impact on everything, small businesses don't have the growth and prosperity they once had, the old US economy is long gone.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Murph]
#20387601 - 08/07/14 11:48 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Murph said: This same thread again?
This crap debate gets re-posted every week with either zappa, pris or gilamish posting against the raise and every other member filling pages in disagreement... how many times do you people need to repeat yourselves?
I'm all for raising minimum wage, I think we should raise it to $100/hr because that would make more people wealthy and eliminate poverty in the US
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: qman]
#20387610 - 08/07/14 11:52 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Murph said: $10 an hr isn't close to a living wage in the US.
Belittling the workers labor and labeling them as undeserving of a fair wage is just another shill tactic to divide people with bullshit partisan politics.
If a small business cant afford to pay the employees enough to live in this country they should close down shop because their business is an absolute failure.
Unfortunately, when there's an excess pool of labor, wages fall. Some small businesses operate on very small margins today and wages are a huge part of their operating cost, higher wages (in some cases) mean they go out of business.
The US economy has been structurally damaged the last 30 years from outsourcing jobs out of the country, this has a huge impact on everything, small businesses don't have the growth and prosperity they once had, the old US economy is long gone.
you half touched on something, the excess labor, we've outsources jobs and imported labor, we wouldnt have to have a discussion about raising minimum wage had the wage standard not been kept back due to illegals flooding in
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Murph]
#20387633 - 08/07/14 11:59 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Murph said: If a small business cant afford to pay the employees enough to live in this country they should close down shop because their business is an absolute failure.
what about the huge business like the banking industry? they werent simply allowed to go out of business, government is dumping hundreds of billions into private industry every year, that's certainly not a suitable business model when there's no real return, Solyndra took $500mil and went bankrupt, obama stepped in and took possession of their records before the FBI could examine them and they're just one of thousands of businesses with a failing business model that are sucking the welfare tit
maybe the real problem is government's intervention in business, for government to give a few trillion to banks, car makers, green energy, research projects, etc... the money has to come from somewhere, do you think that maybe the corporate taxes are too high for mom and pop to compete when even the big businesses are getting handouts from government in order to 'compete'
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#20387635 - 08/07/14 11:59 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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DE TERRKIN URRR JRRRRBS DERP DA DERR.
Find a new AM station, man
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Murph]
#20387659 - 08/07/14 12:07 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Murph said: DE TERRKIN URRR JRRRRBS DERP DA DERR.
Find a new AM station, man
yeah, because south park is the answer to everything
in 1986 the average wage for a construction laborer was $8/hr, skilled workers started at around $16/hr, minimum wage was $3.35/hr. thanks to the 27 million illegals in this country willing to work for anything, living 2 and 3 families per apartment, we now see that construction labor starts at $8/hr, skilled workers are starting at $12/hr. who do you think is responsible for this stagnation in wages?
this is life experience buckwheat, not southpark political commentary
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#20387670 - 08/07/14 12:11 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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it's not hard work and it's only a little stressful when you have to deal with some of the retards or if you panic during a rush, hell, the McDonalds near me cant get shit right. cold undercooked fries and too much sauce on burgers, the shit is inedible, if they arent capable of getting condiments right at $8/hr then how the fuck will they manage at $15/hr
Pris what are you talking about the fries are on timers the meat is on timers and the condiments come out of a caulking gun preset to dispense the amount called for.
and I suppose timers cannot be ignored, that adjustment to the caulk gun couldnt be made or that people there dont give a double dose of the special sauce when ever they feel like it, I know what my experiences have been at McDonalds, had another this morning when my kids hounded me for breakfast, a steak McMuffin where the muffin was greasy as fuck, I wonder how those grease dispensers work
I'm pretty sure that when people drop that basket of fries they're supposed to hit the timer, if the timer beeps at 5 minutes then the timer beeps but I'm also pretty sure that the timer doesnt automatically remove the fries and that it doesnt slap people's hands for trying to pull them early during a rush, I doubt they have sensors to detect if a burger has already had ketchup or sauce added already... feel free to correct me if I'm wrong
Pris it's pretty much idiot proof so yeah you are wrong, not saying the employees are geniuses but yeah the fries and nuggets and fish actually raise themselves out of the fryer and as far as the condiments go the dosage is set by the corporation.This is not the Jetsons where you get a recipe suited to your particular taste. It's an assembly line. Blame Henry Ford for your bad burger.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: r00tuuu123]
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it's not hard work and it's only a little stressful when you have to deal with some of the retards or if you panic during a rush, hell, the McDonalds near me cant get shit right. cold undercooked fries and too much sauce on burgers, the shit is inedible, if they arent capable of getting condiments right at $8/hr then how the fuck will they manage at $15/hr
Pris what are you talking about the fries are on timers the meat is on timers and the condiments come out of a caulking gun preset to dispense the amount called for.
and I suppose timers cannot be ignored, that adjustment to the caulk gun couldnt be made or that people there dont give a double dose of the special sauce when ever they feel like it, I know what my experiences have been at McDonalds, had another this morning when my kids hounded me for breakfast, a steak McMuffin where the muffin was greasy as fuck, I wonder how those grease dispensers work
I'm pretty sure that when people drop that basket of fries they're supposed to hit the timer, if the timer beeps at 5 minutes then the timer beeps but I'm also pretty sure that the timer doesnt automatically remove the fries and that it doesnt slap people's hands for trying to pull them early during a rush, I doubt they have sensors to detect if a burger has already had ketchup or sauce added already... feel free to correct me if I'm wrong
Pris it's pretty much idiot proof so yeah you are wrong, not saying the employees are geniuses but yeah the fries and nuggets and fish actually raise themselves out of the fryer and as far as the condiments go the dosage is set by the corporation.This is not the Jetsons where you get a recipe suited to your particular taste. It's an assembly line. Blame Henry Ford for your bad burger. 
please show us the video of the levitating McFish and since we know that assembly lines are flawless there's no need for automobile recalls because everything works as planned, it's an idiot proof assembly line
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#20387740 - 08/07/14 12:32 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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On the nose satirical cartoon > right winger with 173,000 post on a mushroom message board.
yeah I'll side with the cartoon.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: vinsue]
#20387760 - 08/07/14 12:37 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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vinsue said: Funny thing, when my kids used to 'hound' me for breakfast, I made them breakfast. Feeding kids McD's is practically child abuse...
what is this revolutionary new form of parenting you speak of?
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: vinsue]
#20387773 - 08/07/14 12:40 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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trekie said:...No way in hell should some one flipping burgers get nearly the same pay as a construction worker...
Do they even flip those nasty things anymore?
nope, clam shell grills
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Funny thing, when my kids used to 'hound' me for breakfast, I made them breakfast.
I found it a bit of a challenge to fit a stove, sink and fridge into the car and while there's no law specifically against cooking while driving in georgia I'm sure that the cops would see it as similar to texting and cite me for something anyway
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Feeding kids McD's is practically child abuse...
feel free to feed your kids/grandkids all the ecoli contaminated food you wish, just because you arent keen on McDonalds doesnt mean it's actually bad for you, what is bad for you is overeating
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#20387788 - 08/07/14 12:42 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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You seriously think home-cooked meals are worse than McDonalds?
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: D.M.T]
#20387807 - 08/07/14 12:46 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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D.M.T said: You seriously think home-cooked meals are worse than McDonalds? 
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#20387828 - 08/07/14 12:52 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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You made the claim vinsue feeds e.coli contaminated food to his family, and McDonalds is not unhealthy. While not explicitly stated, the reader is left with that implication...
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Shining Cosmos]
#20387836 - 08/07/14 12:54 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shining Cosmos said: I'm not belittling the workers I'm belittling the job itself. I just don't see how anyone deserves 15 per hour to serve hot n' fresh cancer
And back in the day, im sure people said "I just don't see how anyone deserves 25 cents per hour to blah di blah" 15 is just a number.
Compared to inflation, wages have been steadily going down for years and years. [Yet somehow profits and CEO wages have gone up, but oh no, the business simply can't handle paying their workers more...] No one is arguing that minimum wage jobs are so difficult that the workers deserve a raise, just that wages ought to match the increase in the cost of living. A person who works full time ought to be able to afford rent AND food.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: D.M.T]
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D.M.T said: You made the claim vinsue feeds e.coli contaminated food to his family, and McDonalds is not unhealthy. While not explicitly stated, the reader is left with that implication...
so you read something into it that wasnt explicitly stated
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Lynnch]
#20387847 - 08/07/14 12:59 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shining Cosmos said: I'm not belittling the workers I'm belittling the job itself. I just don't see how anyone deserves 15 per hour to serve hot n' fresh cancer
And back in the day, im sure people said "I just don't see how anyone deserves 25 cents per hour to blah di blah" 15 is just a number.
1000 is just a number... 4 actually, maybe we should just raise it to $1000/hr, then we can make more than most lawyers for working at McDonalds
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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D.M.T said: You made the claim vinsue feeds e.coli contaminated food to his family, and McDonalds is not unhealthy. While not explicitly stated, the reader is left with that implication...
so you read something into it that wasnt explicitly stated
So you post statements without any meaning. Explains the 173k post count.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: D.M.T]
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D.M.T said: You made the claim vinsue feeds e.coli contaminated food to his family, and McDonalds is not unhealthy. While not explicitly stated, the reader is left with that implication...
so you read something into it that wasnt explicitly stated
So you post statements without any meaning. Explains the 173k post count. 
oh, I'm sorry... I guess you wanted to have something to substantiate my claim
http://www.foodsafety.gov/recalls/recent/index.html
and these are just the recalls in the last few weeks
McDonalds recalls were on shrek glasses and meats served in chinese outles
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Murph said: $10 an hr isn't close to a living wage in the US.
Belittling the workers labor and labeling them as undeserving of a fair wage is just another shill tactic to divide people with bullshit partisan politics.
If a small business cant afford to pay the employees enough to live in this country they should close down shop because their business is an absolute failure.
Unfortunately, when there's an excess pool of labor, wages fall. Some small businesses operate on very small margins today and wages are a huge part of their operating cost, higher wages (in some cases) mean they go out of business.
The US economy has been structurally damaged the last 30 years from outsourcing jobs out of the country, this has a huge impact on everything, small businesses don't have the growth and prosperity they once had, the old US economy is long gone.
you half touched on something, the excess labor, we've outsources jobs and imported labor, we wouldnt have to have a discussion about raising minimum wage had the wage standard not been kept back due to illegals flooding in
Very true, what many don't understand is that illegal workers drive down all wages, even mid and high skilled labor, it's a chain reaction.
The common argument is that they only take the jobs legal workers don't want, but it's not true, they drive down low skilled wages which makes more people upgrade their skills which drives down skilled wages, which forces more people into college which drives down wages for people with higher education.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: TheMule73]
#20387889 - 08/07/14 01:08 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Are we to believe that the stimulus and the bailout had no effect on minimum wage? Perhaps we should raise minimum wage, but not to raise it, just to adjust for inflation.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Lynnch]
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Shining Cosmos said: I'm not belittling the workers I'm belittling the job itself. I just don't see how anyone deserves 15 per hour to serve hot n' fresh cancer
And back in the day, im sure people said "I just don't see how anyone deserves 25 cents per hour to blah di blah" 15 is just a number.
Compared to inflation, wages have been steadily going down for years and years. [Yet somehow profits and CEO wages have gone up, but oh no, the business simply can't handle paying their workers more...] No one is arguing that minimum wage jobs are so difficult that the workers deserve a raise, just that wages ought to match the increase in the cost of living. A person who works full time ought to be able to afford rent AND food.
The reason why real wages were higher years ago was because the there was more demand for labor compared to today in the US, most workers around the world don't make enough to "afford rent AND food", the US worker now competes in the global economy, what makes you think the US worker is so special?
An excess pool of labor drives down wages and increases profitability for many businesses/shareholders, that's the world we live in today.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: qman]
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it's not true for other reasons, forst, who did those jobs prior to the illegals? since the restaurant industry is flooded with illegals as is construction, are the telling us that citizens wouldnt work in a restaurant? are the telling us that citizens wouldnt work construction? I know you wouldnt catch me crawling on my belly through a sewer system for $8/hr and no benefits because the health risks are too great, include more money, an insurance, vacation and retirement package and you'd have my interest
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: s240779]
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Da2ra said: Are we to believe that the stimulus and the bailout had no effect on minimum wage? Perhaps we should raise minimum wage, but not to raise it, just to adjust for inflation.
On a inflation adjusted basis, the minimum wage is at a all-time low (1938), you can thank globalization and illegals for that outcome.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: qman]
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It is unacceptable to shrug our collective shoulders and say "That's just the way it is." We can support how many billionaires but we can't feed our own people? That's ridiculous.
An excess of labor may drive down wages, however, an abundance of people equates to an abundance of economic activity. We're not at a point of an actual food shortage, just in a strange place where currency isn't put into the hands that would use it.
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Givt aid pays more than min wage in most states. This surely doesn't sound like a recipe for disaster.
Either way the market will eventually correct the wage problem. Once america is fully globalized to the working class of india and china (thanks american politicans for your free trade agreements aka make big corporations ultra rich while crushing your own middle class) then businessses will have no choice but to offer food and shelter at prices workers can afford which will be a much lower standard of living than americans are used to.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Nova]
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Many people thought Obama would be the savior for this massive inequality, but he's only made it multiples worse.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-06/next-time-obama-boasts-about-recovery-show-him-chart
"The greatest irony is that the President is railing against inequality as one of the most important problems of the day, despite the fact that his polices are squeezing the middle class and causing the Fed- with the President's encouragement- to engage in the radical monetary policy, which is exacerbating inequality. The simple truth cannot be repeated often enough."
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: TheMule73]
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Chains like mcdonalds make thousands of dollars per hour even, you have to understand that when your clearing thousands of dollars in profit while the workers work as slaves for a company that can pay them so much more you should be asking for a pay increase,
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: qman]
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Lol come on man "Obama is bad! See the chart?!" Notice how they don't actually name any policies? It's all fluff, all what, no why. All that chart shows is that all of the government bailouts in '08/'09 went to the rich.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Lynnch]
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Lynnch said: Lol come on man "Obama is bad! See the chart?!" Notice how they don't actually name any policies? It's all fluff, all what, no why. All that chart shows is that all of the government bailouts in '08/'09 went to the rich.
I don't blame Obama, the point is he's a bought and paid for President for the rich (but at the same time complains about them in public), the "policies" are all the QE programs which have only increased the massive wealth inequality.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: qman]
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10.50 minimum .... Why should a single parent need to depend on food assistance or heat/electric assistance, just to make ends meet?
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Maharishi_2_U]
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Maharishi_2_U said: 10.50 minimum .... Why should a single parent need to depend on food assistance or heat/electric assistance, just to make ends meet?
Why should someone dumb enough to have children when they are incapable of getting a better job be helped?
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Man I remember when I worked at McDonalds for two weeks....Man when I saw that paycheck I was like holy fuck, I am working way too hard for this shit, ANY fucking mall job or restaraunt is easier than Mcdonalds, The thing is FAST FOOD chains are specifically designed to brainwash people into thinking "I have no experience I am only good enough for this Mcshit job" and its bullshit.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: pookiepower]
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plus all the grease gets all over you and you smell like food and its greasy gets all over ur forehead its horrible. and its hot in there hot and lots of grease and ur sweating, and it smells like mcdonalds strongly in thur
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ShiVersblood said: plus all the grease gets all over you and you smell like food and its greasy gets all over ur forehead its horrible. and its hot in there hot and lots of grease and ur sweating, and it smells like mcdonalds strongly in thur
yea that shit blows thats why i longer work at mcdonalds.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Murph]
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Murph said: $10 an hr isn't close to a living wage in the US.
In some places it is for a single person.Quote:
Belittling the workers labor and labeling them as undeserving of a fair wage is just another shill tactic to divide people with bullshit partisan politics.
Anybody who can only get a minimum wage job after being in the workforce for a year is a fucking retard and deserves to be belittled. Belittled and mockedQuote:
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If a small business cant afford to pay the employees enough to live in this country they should close down shop because their business is an absolute failure.
So all the customers have to pay more to support some no account jerkoff? Business owners should pay what they have to pay to get workers and not one cent more.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: psychawarenessorg]
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psychawarenessorg said: Chains like mcdonalds make thousands of dollars per hour even, you have to understand that when your clearing thousands of dollars in profit while the workers work as slaves for a company that can pay them so much more you should be asking for a pay increase,
just because a franchise takes a few grand to the bank each day it doesnt mean that's their profits, the guy may only be seeing a few hundred in profits. McDonalds isnt a chain, it's a franchise
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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have you worked for mcdonalds, ive seen what they take in i know how they treat there workers ive been there ive done that if youve worked at mcdonalds then you should know this all ready, based on the fact that you know nothing about what your talking about even to the slightest reference of my existence you mys well just keep out.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Murph said: Belittling the workers labor and labeling them as undeserving of a fair wage is just another shill tactic to divide people with bullshit partisan politics.
Anybody who can only get a minimum wage job after being in the workforce for a year is a fucking retard and deserves to be belittled. Belittled and mocked
I was going to disagree but I cant, it's accurate, I've never worked a job that didnt have me at least 2 raises in the first year
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: psychawarenessorg]
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psychawarenessorg said: have you worked for mcdonalds, ive seen what they take in i know how they treat there workers ive been there ive done that if youve worked at mcdonalds then you should know this all ready, based on the fact that you know nothing about what your talking about even to the slightest reference of my existence you mys well just keep out.
what they take in is not profit, I havent worked at McDonalds but all the McDonalds employees I knew were pretty happy with their job, I've been in a McDonalds helping them close, the assistant manager was a friend and I dated a chick that worked there.
so since you know all this why not tell is what their P/L statements read, how much the franchise took in per day, the daily operating, food cost, weekly and monthly expenditures. how much was payroll, how much did they have to match in tax, medicare and social security, maybe while you're at it you could give us the combination to the safe
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Yeah or just tell you the numbers and cut the bullshit and know im right =)
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: lovecheese]
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lovecheese said: My current job (making $6/hour more than McDonalds) is an engineering job designing HVAC and plumbing for commercial buildings. It's is easier than McDonald's was.
I'm glad someone finally said this. People trivialize the work so frequently, seemingly without realizing how many people do relatively simple tasks while sitting in front of a computer everyday and making 2-3x as much. I used to do IT work for twice what I make now in the food industry. Luckily I'm in a small business, but doing food preparation is more difficult than the IT work I used to do. Moving around 50-100lbs regularly, making things from scratch by hand, and working in a fast paced and somewhat physically demanding job is far more challenging than a huge number of desk jobs, particularly relative to the fitness level of the average office worker. I realized how horrible a sedentary career was for my overall health though, so now I'm stuck in the crossroads of what to do with science/engineering education that's physically active.
This said, 15/hr seems crazy, but current national minimum wage, even without a family to support, can be barely livable in some situations even when working more than full time.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Maharishi_2_U said: 10.50 minimum .... Why should a single parent need to depend on food assistance or heat/electric assistance, just to make ends meet?
Why should someone dumb enough to have children when they are incapable of getting a better job be helped?
To prevent crime and pestilence you twit.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Maharishi_2_U]
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How does welfare decrease crime and pestilence? It has seemed to have the opposite effect.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Murph said: $10 an hr isn't close to a living wage in the US.
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Belittling the workers labor and labeling them as undeserving of a fair wage is just another shill tactic to divide people with bullshit partisan politics.
Anybody who can only get a minimum wage job after being in the workforce for a year is a fucking retard and deserves to be belittled. Belittled and mockedQuote:
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If a small business cant afford to pay the employees enough to live in this country they should close down shop because their business is an absolute failure.
So all the customers have to pay more to support some no account jerkoff? Business owners should pay what they have to pay to get workers and not one cent more.
quote 1. not really
quote 2. no
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Murph]
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Yes, we know you disagree. And the level of effort you put into your post speaks volumes
http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/14poverty.cfm
Poverty level is less than a full time minimum wage job
Family size 1 48 Contiguous states and D.C. $11,670 Alaska $14,580 Hawaii $13,420
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Maharishi_2_U]
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Maharishi_2_U said: 10.50 minimum .... Why should a single parent need to depend on food assistance or heat/electric assistance, just to make ends meet?
Why should someone dumb enough to have children when they are incapable of getting a better job be helped?
To prevent crime and pestilence you twit.
So people should just be allowed to do whatever to prevet crime? Libreral thought is bizarre.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Not anything, we're not talking marshal law just giving poor people enough to eat and live indoors without having to break the law, live in squallier or take public assistance while having full-time employment.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Murph]
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Murph said: Not anything, we're not talking marshal law just giving poor people enough to eat and live indoors without having to break the law, live in squallier or take public assistance while having full-time employment.
Poor people in the US at least have plenty to eat!
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Murph said: Belittling the workers labor and labeling them as undeserving of a fair wage is just another shill tactic to divide people with bullshit partisan politics.
Anybody who can only get a minimum wage job after being in the workforce for a year is a fucking retard and deserves to be belittled. Belittled and mocked
I was going to disagree but I cant, it's accurate, I've never worked a job that didnt have me at least 2 raises in the first year
My entire life, from 14 on, I made it a goal to NEVER work for minimum wage. TONS of my friends did and many are in pretty decent jobs nowadays. There are a small few though, that seemed content playing with mcdonald's special sauce all day....I don't get it. I refrain from mocking outloud. My mom told me if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it. I don't ALWAYS follow that, but try to.
I'm 30 and have seemed to have succeeded in not working a minimum wage job yet..
I was kicked out of my house, no handouts, no money...just me and my stubborn nature.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Gilgamesh18 said: Poor people in the US at least have plenty to eat!
Food insecurity is a real issue for many poor people in this country. I know when my mother was struggling to raise us, sometimes a sack of groceries from a friend was the only way she could put food on the table, and she sometimes didn't have enough for herself.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: TaiJi]
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Food insecurity is a real issue for many poor people in this country. I know when my mother was struggling to raise us, sometimes a sack of groceries from a friend was the only way she could put food on the table, and she sometimes didn't have enough for herself.
Really? Tons of restaurants and shelters give out free food to scores of people.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Not in the middle of rural America.
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Murph do you live in rural america? In my town no one goes hungry and there is a very small amount of people.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Gilgamesh18 said: Really? Tons of restaurants and shelters give out free food to scores of people.
Yes really. Just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean that there aren't people with problems accessing food.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: TaiJi]
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Gilgamesh18 said: Really? Tons of restaurants and shelters give out free food to scores of people.
Yes really. Just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean that there aren't people with problems accessing food.
Oh I agree that some people struggle with food issues. However you have to be dumb as fuck to not access food from private or public services.
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Gilgamesh18 said:Yes really. Just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean that there aren't people with problems accessing food.
Oh I agree that some people struggle with food issues. However you have to be dumb as fuck to not access food from private or public services.
Public services? Hahaha. For a family of four, SNAP might only give you $140/month or so, a little over a dollar per day per person. And it can be really hard to qualify. I looked into it when I was unemployed for a stretch, and my shitty 15 year old Taurus was enough to put me over my state's asset limit of like $2,000. Public assistance in this country is a joke man.
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TaiJi said: Public services? Hahaha. For a family of four, SNAP might only give you $140/month or so, a little over a dollar per day per person.
my ex wife for herself and 2 kids received $450/mo in SNAP benefits
I can feed a family of 5 on $5 per meal and we'd eat healthy
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Gilgamesh18 said:Yes really. Just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean that there aren't people with problems accessing food.
Oh I agree that some people struggle with food issues. However you have to be dumb as fuck to not access food from private or public services.
Public services? Hahaha. For a family of four, SNAP might only give you $140/month or so, a little over a dollar per day per person. And it can be really hard to qualify. I looked into it when I was unemployed for a stretch, and my shitty 15 year old Taurus was enough to put me over my state's asset limit of like $2,000. Public assistance in this country is a joke man.
Thats some bs I just spent 70 dollars and I have enough healthy food for 2 months.
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Murph do you live in rural america? In my town no one goes hungry and there is a very small amount of people.
No I live in the suburbs of a large city but I used to live in a small town about 25 miles from the middle of nowhere and I know for a fact there are lots of people with no money and no food after they pay rent and bills. On top of that if you're extremely poor (no car) you cant get to a food bank, church or soup kitchen when you're hours away from civilization on foot because of no public transportation.
I've been flat broke with no food after rent and bills a few times. My first job was minimum wage at 5.75 and I lived in dilapidated trailers and boarding houses when I moved out of my families house at 18..... so no there isn't plenty of food in the US when you have no money.
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Murph said:I've been flat broke with no food after rent and bills a few times. My first job was minimum wage at 5.75 and I lived in dilapidated trailers and boarding houses when I moved out of my families house at 18..... so no there isn't plenty of food in the US when you have no money.
Yeah, it can be really hard. Sounds like you've been able to overcome that though, good on you man.
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Food insecurity is a real issue for many poor people in this country. I know when my mother was struggling to raise us, sometimes a sack of groceries from a friend was the only way she could put food on the table, and she sometimes didn't have enough for herself.
Really? Tons of restaurants and shelters give out free food to scores of people.
My city recently banned freely giving out food to hungry people, not just from restaurants, but even from church groups and the like. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but law enforcement has stepped in and stopped it multiple times, threatening arrests, and requiring an $800 permit to distribute. Shelters do, but there are lines and specific times so people don't always make it.
I've certainly experienced food insecurity despite working 35 hours on average a week, and despite being quite financially conservative. It was moreso having to cut back on fruits and vegetables and having to get by on little more than rice and beans at times, than purely not having enough calories. Wouldn't be a problem if I could find responsible people that aren't shit heads to room with, but I haven't had such luck.
In regards to $70 for two months of healthy food...umm, where? and what? I suppose I haven't delved deeply into frozen vegetables yet, which with pasta and rice could make for quite cheap and healthy meals...but still, $1.25/day? That seems exaggerated.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Xingu]
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Food insecurity is a real issue for many poor people in this country. I know when my mother was struggling to raise us, sometimes a sack of groceries from a friend was the only way she could put food on the table, and she sometimes didn't have enough for herself.
Really? Tons of restaurants and shelters give out free food to scores of people.
My city recently banned freely giving out food to hungry people, not just from restaurants, but even from church groups and the like. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but law enforcement has stepped in and stopped it multiple times, threatening arrests, and requiring an $800 permit to distribute. Shelters do, but there are lines and specific times so people don't always make it.
I've certainly experienced food insecurity despite working 35 hours on average a week, and despite being quite financially conservative. It was moreso having to cut back on fruits and vegetables and having to get by on little more than rice and beans at times, than purely not having enough calories. Wouldn't be a problem if I could find responsible people that aren't shit heads to room with, but I haven't had such luck.
In regards to $70 for two months of healthy food...umm, where? and what? I suppose I haven't delved deeply into frozen vegetables yet, which with pasta and rice could make for quite cheap and healthy meals...but still, $1.25/day? That seems exaggerated.
Soybean paste is cheap and gets you you protein and it makes a good soup.
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mcdonalds shouldn't up there wage B/C 95% of their employees are shit..punk ass snotty nose teenagers or weirdos...fuck mcdonalds
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Soup spiced up a little with manboob milk from all of the soy? I kid, I kid, but kinda not. I'd rather be even more of a certifiable hippy and get more hemp powder for protein, that stuff is pretty cheap also, albeit a bit chalky.
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If minimum wage is increased, then prices go up, and the well educated people who have worked their way into salaried jobs, and the people who have worked their asses off for raises don't get paid anymore. Meaning that they now struggle to make ends meet due to the fact that inflation is raising prices, while they are still getting paid the same because they were on a salary (if they weren't already struggling). Meanwhile, the fast food worker who just got a raise isn't any better off, because everything is costing more now. It's completely ignorant to raise minimum wage. If you want to be paid more, then work for it like the rest of us did.
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greencrush420 said: If minimum wage is increased, then prices go up, and the well educated people who have worked their way into salaried jobs, and the people who have worked their asses off for raises don't get paid anymore. Meaning that they now struggle to make ends meet due to the fact that inflation is raising prices, while they are still getting paid the same because they were on a salary (if they weren't already struggling). Meanwhile, the fast food worker who just got a raise isn't any better off, because everything is costing more now. It's completely ignorant to raise minimum wage. If you want to be paid more, then work for it like the rest of us did.
"If minimum wage is increased, then prices go up"
Not necessarily, profit margins can decline. Either business owners/shareholders or labor get the money, why is labor getting a little more inflationary, why isn't higher profitability inflationary as well?
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No corperations is going to allow profit margins to decline. My granddad used to tell me stories about 5 cent loaves of bread. The difference between then and now? Inflation. Corperate greed will get you every time. Raising minimum wage will help nobody. I'm not saying that I don't think people working those jobs don't deserve more, I'm just saying that more money won't go further for them. Their situation will remain the same. Simple economics. It's a problem that needs to be fixed on a political and social level, not on an economic level.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: greencrush420]
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That has nothing to do with raising minimum wage, or corporate greed. That has to do with our broken monetary system. Considering how much of our products are dependent on non-human capital inputs and importing from other countries, no, prices would not increase proportionally to wage increases if the minimum was upped.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: greencrush420]
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greencrush420 said: No corperations is going to allow profit margins to decline. My granddad used to tell me stories about 5 cent loaves of bread. The difference between then and now? Inflation. Corperate greed will get you every time. Raising minimum wage will help nobody. I'm not saying that I don't think people working those jobs don't deserve more, I'm just saying that more money won't go further for them. Their situation will remain the same. Simple economics. It's a problem that needs to be fixed on a political and social level, not on an economic level.
"No corporations is going to allow profit margins to decline"
Profit margins fluctuate all the time, during the 1970's profit margins were low because of high labor costs and high commodity prices, today profit margins are at all time highs because of low labor costs.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: qman]
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So now all of those college kids the decided to work HARD for a degree they now paid 50-80k, come out into the work force. Whats there motivational drive to get a 12h job at some fancy company that uses there degree. When MCdonalds is hiring at 15h....
Doesn't make sense. It all has to do with inflation. 15h is an outrageous increase in wages. People need to fucking work hard and stop there bitching. Look at ur life and prioritize what you can and cannot do. If you make 8-9h, you shouldnt be out at the bar buying 10$ drink left and right, hour after hour.
AMERICANS feel entitled to free money. Give me, Give me, its my american right. Well FUCK YOU. If i see Mcdonalds or anything motherfucker start handing out 15h raises for a bullshit job flipping a burger, i might as well do nothing with my life and start sucking at the government tit, because fuck it right.
I know people who have degrees in engineering/health care, that barely make 14h, and they had to go to school study and be diligent to get where they are... Why do fast food employees feel the need to bitch about having a job in the first place. If you chose not to achieve a higher education, thats ur problem, not societies problem.
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Kinda impossible to go to college on $7.50/hour, and every engineering major I know was making 20/hr minimum coming out of college. I agree with your message, but there's a fair compromise above 7.50/hr, I feel. 15 is indeed absurd.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Xingu]
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Xingu said: That has nothing to do with raising minimum wage, or corporate greed. That has to do with our broken monetary system. Considering how much of our products are dependent on non-human capital inputs and importing from other countries, no, prices would not increase proportionally to wage increases if the minimum was upped.
So why not raise it to $20 an hour? $50? $100? $1000? What is the magic number?
This is what is called "pretense of knowledge" there's no way to know the "right" number..
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Shins]
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http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=10224
To act on the belief that we possess the knowledge and the power which enable us to shape the processes of society entirely to our liking, knowledge which in fact we do not possess, is likely to make us do much harm. In the physical sciences there may be little objection to trying to do the impossible; one might even feel that one ought not to discourage the over-confident because their experiments may after all produce some new insights. But in the social field the erroneous belief that the exercise of some power would have beneficial consequences is likely to lead to a new power to coerce other men being conferred on some authority.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Shins]
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Shins said: So why not raise it to $20 an hour? $50? $100? $1000? What is the magic number?
This is what is called "pretense of knowledge" there's no way to know the "right" number..
Because that's not stability. Relative to consumer price index, the effective minimum wage has been falling for decades. If the minimum wage isn't going to be effectively stable, then it's pointless to exist at all. Aside from that route, The number wouldn't be magic, it would be derived from economics. There are measurable impacts of moving the minimum wage, and a point at which negatives will outweigh positives. Saying there's no way to know the "right" number completely dismisses an entire field of study. It's hardly different than us saying that there's no way to know that any knowledge derived in Biology is magical pretense.
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Ya, sorry, but that is more rhetoric than logic. You're just favoring one authority over another rather than bringing critical thinking into the picture. Favoring the employer over the employee, OR the employee over the employer is simple anti-intellectualism. To find out what really produces optimal results, you can't simply make a statement like that and continue business as usual. If we followed that logic, psychology and sociology, as well as economics, should be regarded as useless and coercive sciences.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: BIGS]
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BIGS said: So now all of those college kids the decided to work HARD for a degree they now paid 50-80k, come out into the work force. Whats there motivational drive to get a 12h job at some fancy company that uses there degree. When MCdonalds is hiring at 15h....
Doesn't make sense. It all has to do with inflation. 15h is an outrageous increase in wages. People need to fucking work hard and stop there bitching. Look at ur life and prioritize what you can and cannot do. If you make 8-9h, you shouldnt be out at the bar buying 10$ drink left and right, hour after hour.
AMERICANS feel entitled to free money. Give me, Give me, its my american right. Well FUCK YOU. If i see Mcdonalds or anything motherfucker start handing out 15h raises for a bullshit job flipping a burger, i might as well do nothing with my life and start sucking at the government tit, because fuck it right.
I know people who have degrees in engineering/health care, that barely make 14h, and they had to go to school study and be diligent to get where they are... Why do fast food employees feel the need to bitch about having a job in the first place. If you chose not to achieve a higher education, thats ur problem, not societies problem.
"If you chose not to achieve a higher education, thats ur problem, not societies problem"
Only 30% of the population has a higher education, what about the other 70% of worker bees, if the low skilled jobs don't pay enough, that's a problem for everyone.
Also, there are only so many jobs for people with a higher education, we have already flooded the job market with college graduates and we don't need anymore, it doesn't solve anything.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: qman]
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Unionize mcdonalds?
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: qman]
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...and some people DO NOT want to progress academically at all. They may see it as BS and have no drive beyond simple minimum wage jobs. Some people see college as a waste of time/money. They are perfectly content with having minimal lifestyles. I saw this out in rural OK when I went to get my RN degree. The mothers of the girls I went to school with told me they were pressuring them into having kids before they are "too old" and before 25!!!
I met some people that thought Paris Texas was a "big city" compared to Broken Bow. It was frightening, enlightening, and sickening all at the same time. The people that live in what some would consider a poor neighborhood or in poverty is OK to them. Not all of them, but a lot of them want/like it that way. Places like Broken Bow will never change because the people that live there and own the land/businesses etc... keep it that way for themselves and their families.
I also heard from some people out there that the business/land owners will never sell to anyone that is not of their ilk (religious, doesn't want any chain restaurants, no progress beyond what is there). Some people just do not want any of the BS that cities provide. I personally think/know there is a happy medium for me.
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college is too hard costs too much money and takes too long. I tried going once and flunked out.
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If they are going to raise their wages, maybe they should get some workers that actually know how to cook, replace their shitty products with ones that contain quality ingredients, and why not change their name because they no longer make a shitty product. I expect shitty workers at that shitty restaurant because they make a shitty product that makes you feel shitty after eating it and make you shit soon afterwards. Fuck McDonalds.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: fapjack]
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mcdonalds certainly has enough money to do something like that. but it would cost them money to do something like that so they wont.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: ShiVersblood]
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If the CPI is raising faster than wages than lower the CPI. Inflation is the real problem that liberals always fail to address. We all see the cost of living increasing and it's well meaning to see that the wages of the bottom brackets are being eaten up more and more by the raising cost of living
Its well meaning to want wages to go further instead of less, and its probably well intentioned to think raising the minimum wage might improve a wages-to-CPI statistic. It does not address the real issue of the raising cost of living though which will continue to raise regardless of minimum wage.
If we want a lower cost of living we need less inflation, or more precisely, we'd need deflation. Deflation would mean that the current minimum wage would buy more stuff. Deflation and balance is being prevented and manipulated by the banking and investor class and their political cronies.
Honest business owners and people are not the ones scamming poor people, they help people out with employment and experience. The investment bankers and their hired politiciand are. They have interest that the market prices never deflate.. they want to see the cost of living INCREASE because then they can sell their investments for more! The problem is that they have infested government with their stolen profits and are perpetuating a cycle of government enabled financial fraud.
Liberals tend to be easily manipulated by the "devil's deal" and allow the government to inflate the market... as long as they get a sliver of the fraud pie
to nalance wages with cost of living the solution is to stop the fraud and coercion between the government and the investment bankers. The markets want to deflate but the Federal reserve and the government are preventing it to protect the value of the investments of the super-fraudster bankers and lazy investor minions. All at the expense of the poor, working man, and yes, event at the expense of the small employer. Large corporations however benifit by having their stock priced artificially inflated by monetary "stimulus"
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trekie said: Fast food is easy no skill work and deserves shit pay.
No way in hell should some one flipping burgers get nearly the same pay as a construction worker.
If you think fast food is hard work life is going to be very difficult for you.
I have done both construction and Mcdonalds. Yes construction may be harder on your body but you take more breaks. I hated the job of fast food way more than construction. I would actually say fast food is harder. Yes it's unskilled, but that doesn't make it easy. Construction was also less rushed, I never had someone screaming to do it faster. Yeah you get the occasional lecture on speed but the pace of construction was much more leisurely in my experience. If you can't afford to pay people 15 bucks an hour don't start a business. Maybe the garment factory should be able to pay people 5 bucks so they can compete with India? People say hell no to that but accept it when mega corporations cry poor.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: my3rdeye]
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We should just keep people making 7.50 forever while the price of everything rises substantially consistently!
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: fapjack]
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It'll keep getting worse unless the monetary / banking system is changed, minimum wage won't fix it, stop inflation.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: my3rdeye]
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trekie said: Fast food is easy no skill work and deserves shit pay.
No way in hell should some one flipping burgers get nearly the same pay as a construction worker.
If you think fast food is hard work life is going to be very difficult for you.
I have done both construction and Mcdonalds. Yes construction may be harder on your body but you take more breaks. I hated the job of fast food way more than construction. I would actually say fast food is harder. Yes it's unskilled, but that doesn't make it easy. Construction was also less rushed, I never had someone screaming to do it faster. Yeah you get the occasional lecture on speed but the pace of construction was much more leisurely in my experience. If you can't afford to pay people 15 bucks an hour don't start a business. Maybe the garment factory should be able to pay people 5 bucks so they can compete with India? People say hell no to that but accept it when mega corporations cry poor.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Shining Cosmos]
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Shining Cosmos said: I agree. Fast food jobs are shitty jobs by design. It's not like it was an accident. Shitty food too. How is that service WORTH fifteen dollars an hour...absurd. In my opinion 12 is a miracle just for fast food.
It's about the time and being able to live off it. You can only work what you are given, and even then, your time is limited.
If you are so stuck up that you would tell someone working a menial job, that you arent worth thr rate of inflation, you have a problem, weather it be perceptual or moral.
They werent just 'designed' magically to be shit jobs.If they were, it's time for a change. I don't care that they were ment to be stepping stones for kids in the fucking 80's. The 80's are dead people, thirty year olds and grammas work there now, and if you give an employer fourty hours a week, you should be able to eat decent, have a roof, internet, heating, things that conservative snobs nowdays think the lower class doesn't deserve because of the defemation campagn by the right wing.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
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No way in hell should some one flipping burgers get nearly the same pay as a construction worker.
If you think fast food is hard work life is going to be very difficult for you.
I have done both construction and Mcdonalds. Yes construction may be harder on your body but you take more breaks. I hated the job of fast food way more than construction. I would actually say fast food is harder. Yes it's unskilled, but that doesn't make it easy. Construction was also less rushed, I never had someone screaming to do it faster. Yeah you get the occasional lecture on speed but the pace of construction was much more leisurely in my experience. If you can't afford to pay people 15 bucks an hour don't start a business. Maybe the garment factory should be able to pay people 5 bucks so they can compete with India? People say hell no to that but accept it when mega corporations cry poor.
Exactly.
The tile's gonna get laid when it gets laid.
But they want that taco yesterday.
That is most definitely NOT my experience with construction and I have almost 40 years of it.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: How does welfare decrease crime and pestilence? It has seemed to have the opposite effect.
fuck dude, if i was broke and needed to feed my family and their were NO ALTERNATIVES, I would cheat, steal, and con to feed my family. Survival of the fittest.
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and I do not understand why people bitch about wage. If their are no jobs then you gotta fucking move to where the jobs are. For fucks sake, i just posted my resume online and got 8 phone calls wanting me for interviews and I did not fill out one application. This is for general labor jobs that pay 11 - 20 hr depending on experience. If people want more money than they have to fucking earn it.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: blackdust]
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fuck dude, if i was broke and needed to feed my family and their were NO ALTERNATIVES, I would cheat, steal, and con to feed my family. Survival of the fittest.
What the fuck are you doing with a family if you are a loser with no job? Really, get a vasectomy or your tubes tied
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: blackdust]
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: zappaisgod]
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fuck dude, if i was broke and needed to feed my family and their were NO ALTERNATIVES, I would cheat, steal, and con to feed my family. Survival of the fittest.
What the fuck are you doing with a family if you are a loser with no job? Really, get a vasectomy or your tubes tied
Bro, I did get a vasectomy and their are alternatives. I for one have medical insurance, food, about to pay off my house, two cars, flat screens, smartphones, laptops, my kids have ipods and are about to go to one of the top schools in town that cost 1200 a month (fucking more than my college education.) and am only 23. Loser with no job? I have been in school every semester with 18 - 20 credit hours at a time. I'm going back to work so I can buy myself and family some more new toys and go on a couple vacations.
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Why didn't you fill out an application?
b/c im a pro and these are labor jobs. They call me. Now after I get a labor job on Tuesday(not sure who I am going to first, gotta make some calls and see what kind of schedule I want. I am leaning towards 4 - 12 hour day shifts a week) I am applying for jobs that are more prestigious. Like, assistant accounting jobs or assistant manager jobs. Should be fun b/c applying for these jobs will be a bit of a challenge and competition is higher.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
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AGREED! Fast food is tough work! All the way round. I think you would want people from a not so good backgrounds to be over paid to handle YOUR food YOU are eating guys I always wondered why they didn't do this? Simply for the reason of tidiness and health! I don't want (how it is now) ol Quinisha and her girls diggin in they nose! Ol' Boon Qwe Qwe all ashy and mad from being under paid in the middle of a non stop lunch rush! That's why they get everything wrong, brains has nothing to do with it it's all in being underpaid! You ever took shit from anyone? Nope! Well alright! You ever HAD to take shit from some sweaty fat bitch that stinks and KNOW'S she's right in the middle of the never ending lunch rush, diner rush? Cause you gotta enforce "The customer's always right bullshit"? That's why they should be overpaid!
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: zappaisgod]
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No way in hell should some one flipping burgers get nearly the same pay as a construction worker.
If you think fast food is hard work life is going to be very difficult for you.
I have done both construction and Mcdonalds. Yes construction may be harder on your body but you take more breaks. I hated the job of fast food way more than construction. I would actually say fast food is harder. Yes it's unskilled, but that doesn't make it easy. Construction was also less rushed, I never had someone screaming to do it faster. Yeah you get the occasional lecture on speed but the pace of construction was much more leisurely in my experience. If you can't afford to pay people 15 bucks an hour don't start a business. Maybe the garment factory should be able to pay people 5 bucks so they can compete with India? People say hell no to that but accept it when mega corporations cry poor.
Exactly.
The tile's gonna get laid when it gets laid.
But they want that taco yesterday.
That is most definitely NOT my experience with construction and I have almost 40 years of it.
Okay, maybe I exaggerated a bit 
But I wouldn't consider construction work "fast paced" at all.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
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But I wouldn't consider construction work "fast paced" at all.
you must not have done plaster or concrete work. the thing with construction is that when you're in a big rush you tend to take shortcuts and those shortcuts can kill people, people you work with or those that will be occupying the structure you build. it can also cause you to fail various inspections, to fix that can cost tens of thousands and take weeks. if you fuck up in fast food, you're less likely to die and your fuckups tend to be fixed by handing the customer another burger
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: trekie]
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No way in hell should some one flipping burgers get nearly the same pay as a construction worker.
If you think fast food is hard work life is going to be very difficult for you.
L O FUCKIN L!!!!! You've clearly bumped your dam head son, But that's ok we'll fix you right up! The argument you make has no point seeing as EVERYONE'S pay would be afflicted by decisions to raise food server's wages! As it's always state minimum!
I would like to throw in another argument I have! How come waitresses get paid more the hard working food workers? EXAMPLE: I worked at roosters bar and grill (It's a wing joint to all who don't know.) The men slave in the kitchen to make at most 7.50 an hr. now the waitresses get paid like .30 cents to 1.00 an hr. ok no prob. here. BUT! The waitresses make 5 to 700$ a night!!! Why do the people in charge of what goes into YOUR stomach get 7.50 an hr. to get bitched at stay under pressure and sweating ballz? Now I've seen this EVERYWHERE female server's are. Why do I have to be a slave because I'm wearing a pair of balls? Equal rights my ass!!!
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: HostileX420]
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Tell me how they make their sauces! I know its a butter base. I heard through the grape vine that they have a warehouse that makes it and it gets sent to the restaurant b/c they dont want the secret out.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: blackdust]
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blackdust said: Tell me how they make their sauces! I know its a butter base. I heard through the grape vine that they have a warehouse that makes it and it gets sent to the restaurant b/c they dont want the secret out.
YUP they come pre packaged mang! LOL! I was on that to. But like dump sauce and other side sauces like that are made by hand.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: HostileX420]
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fuck bro, my dad said he would pay 500 for the secret. They have the best sauce. Thank god they sell that shit in mason jars for 5 bucks.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: blackdust]
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blackdust said: fuck bro, my dad said he would pay 500 for the secret. They have the best sauce. Thank god they sell that shit in mason jars for 5 bucks.
Fuuuck yeah they do any store to I wish they had us make them I can tell you for sure without a doubt tat FRANK'S REDHOT HOT SAUCE is the company behind the sauces so mild is in fact buttered down franks redhot and so on and so on!
completely different topic but here, name what sauces do you all like??? http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20398833
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: HostileX420]
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The distance between the rich and the poor keeps growing and wages are depressed because the market is being artificially inflated by the Fed to prevent this big-assed asset bubble from bursting again and ruining the investor class. So the choice is real misery (deflated assets) or fake misery (inflation eating up everything).
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: mpd]
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What inflation?
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: zappaisgod]
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mpd said: The distance between the rich and the poor keeps growing and wages are depressed because the market is being artificially inflated by the Fed to prevent this big-assed asset bubble from bursting again and ruining the investor class. So the choice is real misery (deflated assets) or fake misery (inflation eating up everything).
Take your pick.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: HostileX420]
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Let's have it. Inflation is very low. Show me a link that says otherwise.
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zappaisgod said: Let's have it. Inflation is very low. Show me a link that says otherwise.
for one That shit is overpriced now LOL!
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: HostileX420]
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No it isn't http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/Bacon-Prices-Pork-Shortage-Mysterious-Virus-Kills-Pigs-Piglets-254418611.html
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A virus never before seen in the U.S. has killed millions of baby pigs in less than a year, and with little known about how it spreads or how to stop it, it's threatening pork production and pushing up prices by 10 percent or more.
The price spike in bacon has absolutely nothing to do with inflation. Try again.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Inflation hasnt gone up much but I think he means the price of certain commodities such as bacon and energy have gone up but these are more supply and demand issues not inflation.
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I got that and explained why bacon is up.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: zappaisgod]
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I certainly have higher bills to pay for energy and for food. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the government is shading the numbers.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: zappaisgod]
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 The bacon thing was indeed a joke man. Holy shit you got all gung hoe on my ass lol!
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: HostileX420]
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yall know food is subsided by the governments farm bill right?
and inflation is about 2% with a very small deviation.
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: blackdust]
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at around $50-$100 per head of cattle... not much of s subsidy
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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Seems quite a lot to me.
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it's far more than they deserve, if business cannot compete without welfare then it's a bad business model and should be allowed to fail
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it's far more than they deserve, if business cannot compete without welfare then it's a bad business model and should be allowed to fail
Does anyone here understand what the role of government is? America interferes with business the lest compared to other developed nations...
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#20399844 - 08/10/14 03:15 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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It is still too much. Just because you're not addicted to heroin doesn't mean your meth addiction is a good idea. Or vice versa. I make no value judgment here.
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