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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: TaiJi]
    #20389625 - 08/07/14 08:28 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Really? Tons of restaurants and shelters give out free food to scores of people.




Yes really. Just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean that there aren't people with problems accessing food.



Oh I agree that some people struggle with food issues. However you have to be dumb as fuck to not access food from private or public services.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #20389654 - 08/07/14 08:36 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Gilgamesh18 said:Yes really. Just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean that there aren't people with problems accessing food.



Oh I agree that some people struggle with food issues. However you have to be dumb as fuck to not access food from private or public services.




Public services? Hahaha. For a family of four, SNAP might only give you $140/month or so, a little over a dollar per day per person. And it can be really hard to qualify. I looked into it when I was unemployed for a stretch, and my shitty 15 year old Taurus was enough to put me over my state's asset limit of like $2,000. Public assistance in this country is a joke man.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: TaiJi]
    #20389675 - 08/07/14 08:40 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Public services? Hahaha. For a family of four, SNAP might only give you $140/month or so, a little over a dollar per day per person.




my ex wife for herself and 2 kids received $450/mo in SNAP benefits

I can feed a family of 5 on $5 per meal and we'd eat healthy

she decided to sell her and spend the money on meth


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: TheMule73]
    #20389683 - 08/07/14 08:42 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

If wages are the only thing making your employees choose working for you over McDonalds, you deserve to lose them.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: TaiJi]
    #20389688 - 08/07/14 08:43 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Gilgamesh18 said:Yes really. Just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean that there aren't people with problems accessing food.



Oh I agree that some people struggle with food issues. However you have to be dumb as fuck to not access food from private or public services.




Public services? Hahaha. For a family of four, SNAP might only give you $140/month or so, a little over a dollar per day per person. And it can be really hard to qualify. I looked into it when I was unemployed for a stretch, and my shitty 15 year old Taurus was enough to put me over my state's asset limit of like $2,000. Public assistance in this country is a joke man.



Thats some bs I just spent 70 dollars and I have enough healthy food for 2 months.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #20389696 - 08/07/14 08:46 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Not in the middle of rural America.



Murph do you live in rural america? In my town no one goes hungry and there is a very small amount of people.





No I live in the suburbs of a large city but I used to live in a small town about 25 miles from the middle of nowhere and I know for a fact there are lots of people with no money and no food after they pay rent and bills.
On top of that if you're extremely poor (no car) you cant get to a food bank, church or soup kitchen when you're hours away from civilization on foot because of no public transportation.

I've been flat broke with no food after rent and bills a few times. My first job was minimum wage at 5.75 and I lived in dilapidated trailers and boarding houses when I moved out of my families house at 18..... so no there isn't plenty of food in the US when you have no money.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Murph]
    #20389714 - 08/07/14 08:51 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Murph said:I've been flat broke with no food after rent and bills a few times. My first job was minimum wage at 5.75 and I lived in dilapidated trailers and boarding houses when I moved out of my families house at 18..... so no there isn't plenty of food in the US when you have no money.




Yeah, it can be really hard. Sounds like you've been able to overcome that though, good on you man.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #20389728 - 08/07/14 08:55 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Poor people in the US at least have plenty to eat!




Food insecurity is a real issue for many poor people in this country. I know when my mother was struggling to raise us, sometimes a sack of groceries from a friend was the only way she could put food on the table, and she sometimes didn't have enough for herself.



Really? Tons of restaurants and shelters give out free food to scores of people.




My city recently banned freely giving out food to hungry people, not just from restaurants, but even from church groups and the like. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but law enforcement has stepped in and stopped it multiple times, threatening arrests, and requiring an $800 permit to distribute. Shelters do, but there are lines and specific times so people don't always make it.

I've certainly experienced food insecurity despite working 35 hours on average a week, and despite being quite financially conservative. It was moreso having to cut back on fruits and vegetables and having to get by on little more than rice and beans at times, than purely not having enough calories. Wouldn't be a problem if I could find responsible people that aren't shit heads to room with, but I haven't had such luck.

In regards to $70 for two months of healthy food...umm, where? and what? I suppose I haven't delved deeply into frozen vegetables yet, which with pasta and rice could make for quite cheap and healthy meals...but still, $1.25/day? That seems exaggerated.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Xingu]
    #20389753 - 08/07/14 09:03 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Poor people in the US at least have plenty to eat!




Food insecurity is a real issue for many poor people in this country. I know when my mother was struggling to raise us, sometimes a sack of groceries from a friend was the only way she could put food on the table, and she sometimes didn't have enough for herself.



Really? Tons of restaurants and shelters give out free food to scores of people.




My city recently banned freely giving out food to hungry people, not just from restaurants, but even from church groups and the like. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but law enforcement has stepped in and stopped it multiple times, threatening arrests, and requiring an $800 permit to distribute. Shelters do, but there are lines and specific times so people don't always make it.

I've certainly experienced food insecurity despite working 35 hours on average a week, and despite being quite financially conservative. It was moreso having to cut back on fruits and vegetables and having to get by on little more than rice and beans at times, than purely not having enough calories. Wouldn't be a problem if I could find responsible people that aren't shit heads to room with, but I haven't had such luck.

In regards to $70 for two months of healthy food...umm, where? and what? I suppose I haven't delved deeply into frozen vegetables yet, which with pasta and rice could make for quite cheap and healthy meals...but still, $1.25/day? That seems exaggerated.



Soybean paste is cheap and gets you you protein and it makes a good soup.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #20389760 - 08/07/14 09:07 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

mcdonalds shouldn't up there wage B/C 95% of their employees are shit..punk ass snotty nose teenagers or weirdos...fuck mcdonalds


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #20389766 - 08/07/14 09:07 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Soup spiced up a little with manboob milk from all of the soy? :laugh: I kid, I kid, but kinda not. I'd rather be even more of a certifiable hippy and get more hemp powder for protein, that stuff is pretty cheap also, albeit a bit chalky.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Xingu] * 1
    #20389769 - 08/07/14 09:08 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

If minimum wage is increased, then prices go up, and the well educated people who have worked their way into salaried jobs, and the people who have worked their asses off for raises don't get paid anymore. Meaning that they now struggle to make ends meet due to the fact that inflation is raising prices, while they are still getting paid the same because they were on a salary (if they weren't already struggling). Meanwhile, the fast food worker who just got a raise isn't any better off, because everything is costing more now. It's completely ignorant to raise minimum wage. If you want to be paid more, then work for it like the rest of us did.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: greencrush420]
    #20389924 - 08/07/14 09:57 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: greencrush420]
    #20389983 - 08/07/14 10:17 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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If minimum wage is increased, then prices go up, and the well educated people who have worked their way into salaried jobs, and the people who have worked their asses off for raises don't get paid anymore. Meaning that they now struggle to make ends meet due to the fact that inflation is raising prices, while they are still getting paid the same because they were on a salary (if they weren't already struggling). Meanwhile, the fast food worker who just got a raise isn't any better off, because everything is costing more now. It's completely ignorant to raise minimum wage. If you want to be paid more, then work for it like the rest of us did.




"If minimum wage is increased, then prices go up"

Not necessarily, profit margins can decline.  Either business owners/shareholders or labor get the money, why is labor getting a little more inflationary, why isn't higher profitability inflationary as well?


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: qman]
    #20390046 - 08/07/14 10:39 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

No corperations is going to allow profit margins to decline. My granddad used to tell me stories about 5 cent loaves of bread. The difference between then and now? Inflation. Corperate greed will get you every time. Raising minimum wage will help nobody. I'm not saying that I don't think people working those jobs don't deserve more, I'm just saying that more money won't go further for them. Their situation will remain the same. Simple economics. It's a problem that needs to be fixed on a political and social level, not on an economic level.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: greencrush420]
    #20390714 - 08/08/14 06:06 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

That has nothing to do with raising minimum wage, or corporate greed. That has to do with our broken monetary system. Considering how much of our products are dependent on non-human capital inputs and importing from other countries, no, prices would not increase proportionally to wage increases if the minimum was upped.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: greencrush420]
    #20390967 - 08/08/14 09:00 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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No corperations is going to allow profit margins to decline. My granddad used to tell me stories about 5 cent loaves of bread. The difference between then and now? Inflation. Corperate greed will get you every time. Raising minimum wage will help nobody. I'm not saying that I don't think people working those jobs don't deserve more, I'm just saying that more money won't go further for them. Their situation will remain the same. Simple economics. It's a problem that needs to be fixed on a political and social level, not on an economic level.




"No corporations is going to allow profit margins to decline"

Profit margins fluctuate all the time, during the 1970's profit margins were low because of high labor costs and high commodity prices, today profit margins are at all time highs because of low labor costs.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: qman]
    #20391087 - 08/08/14 09:35 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

So now all of those college kids the decided to work HARD for a degree they now paid 50-80k, come out into the work force. Whats there motivational drive to get a 12h job at some fancy company that uses there degree. When MCdonalds is hiring at 15h....

Doesn't make sense. It all has to do with inflation. 15h is an outrageous increase in wages.
People need to fucking work hard and stop there bitching. Look at ur life and prioritize what you can and cannot do. If you make 8-9h, you shouldnt be out at the bar buying 10$ drink left and right, hour after hour.

AMERICANS feel entitled to free money. Give me, Give me, its my american right.
Well FUCK YOU. If i see Mcdonalds or anything motherfucker start handing out 15h raises for a bullshit job flipping a burger, i might as well do nothing with my life and start sucking at the government tit, because fuck it right.

I know people who have degrees in engineering/health care, that barely make 14h, and they had to go to school study and be diligent to get where they are... Why do fast food employees feel the need to bitch about having a job in the first place. If you chose not to achieve a higher education, thats ur problem, not societies problem.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: BIGS]
    #20391293 - 08/08/14 10:27 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I know people who have degrees in engineering/health care, that barely make 14h, and they had to go to school study and be diligent to get where they are... Why do fast food employees feel the need to bitch about having a job in the first place. If you chose not to achieve a higher education, thats ur problem, not societies problem.




Kinda impossible to go to college on $7.50/hour, and every engineering major I know was making 20/hr minimum coming out of college. I agree with your message, but there's a fair compromise above 7.50/hr, I feel. 15 is indeed absurd.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Xingu]
    #20391354 - 08/08/14 10:45 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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That has nothing to do with raising minimum wage, or corporate greed. That has to do with our broken monetary system. Considering how much of our products are dependent on non-human capital inputs and importing from other countries, no, prices would not increase proportionally to wage increases if the minimum was upped.





So why not raise it to $20 an hour? $50?  $100? $1000?  What is the magic number? 

This is what is called "pretense of knowledge"  there's no way to know the "right" number..


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