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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Lynnch]
    #20387847 - 08/07/14 12:59 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Shining Cosmos said:
I'm not belittling the workers I'm belittling the job itself. I just don't see how anyone deserves 15 per hour to serve hot n' fresh cancer




And back in the day, im sure people said "I just don't see how anyone deserves 25 cents per hour to blah di blah" 15 is just a number.






1000 is just a number... 4 actually, maybe we should just raise it to
$1000/hr, then we can make more than most lawyers for working at McDonalds


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #20387853 - 08/07/14 01:00 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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You made the claim vinsue feeds e.coli contaminated food to his family, and McDonalds is not unhealthy. While not explicitly stated, the reader is left with that implication...





so you read something into it that wasnt explicitly stated




So you post statements without any meaning. Explains the 173k post count. :laugh:


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: D.M.T]
    #20387873 - 08/07/14 01:04 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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You made the claim vinsue feeds e.coli contaminated food to his family, and McDonalds is not unhealthy. While not explicitly stated, the reader is left with that implication...





so you read something into it that wasnt explicitly stated




So you post statements without any meaning. Explains the 173k post count. :laugh:





oh, I'm sorry... I guess you wanted to have something to substantiate my claim

http://www.foodsafety.gov/recalls/recent/index.html

and these are just the recalls in the last few weeks

McDonalds recalls were on shrek glasses and meats served in chinese outles


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #20387876 - 08/07/14 01:04 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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$10 an hr isn't close to a living wage in the US.

Belittling the workers labor and labeling them as undeserving of a fair wage is just another shill tactic to divide people with bullshit partisan politics.

If a small business cant afford to pay the employees enough to live in this country they should close down shop because their business is an absolute failure.




Unfortunately, when there's an excess pool of labor, wages fall. Some small businesses operate on very small margins today and wages are a huge part of their operating cost, higher wages (in some cases) mean they go out of business.

The US economy has been structurally damaged the last 30 years from outsourcing jobs out of the country, this has a huge impact on everything, small businesses don't have the growth and prosperity they once had, the old US economy is long gone.




you half touched on something, the excess labor, we've outsources jobs and imported labor, we wouldnt have to have a discussion about raising minimum wage had the wage standard not been kept back due to illegals flooding in




Very true, what many don't understand is that illegal workers drive down all wages, even mid and high skilled labor, it's a chain reaction.

The common argument is that they only take the jobs legal workers don't want, but it's not true, they drive down low skilled wages which makes more people upgrade their skills which drives down skilled wages, which forces more people into college which drives down wages for people with higher education.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: TheMule73]
    #20387889 - 08/07/14 01:08 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Are we to believe that the stimulus and the bailout had no effect on minimum wage? Perhaps we should raise minimum wage, but not to raise it, just to adjust for inflation.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Lynnch]
    #20387900 - 08/07/14 01:10 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Shining Cosmos said:
I'm not belittling the workers I'm belittling the job itself. I just don't see how anyone deserves 15 per hour to serve hot n' fresh cancer




And back in the day, im sure people said "I just don't see how anyone deserves 25 cents per hour to blah di blah" 15 is just a number.

Compared to inflation, wages have been steadily going down for years and years. [Yet somehow profits and CEO wages have gone up, but oh no, the business simply can't handle paying their workers more...]
No one is arguing that minimum wage jobs are so difficult that the workers deserve a raise, just that wages ought to match the increase in the cost of living. A person who works full time ought to be able to afford rent AND food.




The reason why real wages were higher years ago was because the there was more demand for labor compared to today in the US, most workers around the world don't make enough to "afford rent AND food", the US worker now competes in the global economy, what makes you think the US worker is so special?

An excess pool of labor drives down wages and increases profitability for many businesses/shareholders, that's the world we live in today.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: qman]
    #20387903 - 08/07/14 01:11 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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The common argument is that they only take the jobs legal workers don't want, but it's not true, they drive down low skilled wages which makes more people upgrade their skills which drives down skilled wages, which forces more people into college which drives down wages for people with higher education.





it's not true for other reasons, forst, who did those jobs prior to the
illegals? since the restaurant industry is flooded with illegals as is
construction, are the telling us that citizens wouldnt work in a restaurant?
are the telling us that citizens wouldnt work construction? I know you
wouldnt catch me crawling on my belly through a sewer system for $8/hr and
no benefits because the health risks are too great, include more money, an
insurance, vacation and retirement package and you'd have my interest


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: s240779]
    #20387910 - 08/07/14 01:12 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Da2ra said:
Are we to believe that the stimulus and the bailout had no effect on minimum wage? Perhaps we should raise minimum wage, but not to raise it, just to adjust for inflation.




On a inflation adjusted basis, the minimum wage is at a all-time low (1938), you can thank globalization and illegals for that outcome.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: qman]
    #20387970 - 08/07/14 01:28 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

It is unacceptable to shrug our collective shoulders and say "That's just the way it is." We can support how many billionaires but we can't feed our own people? That's ridiculous.

An excess of labor may drive down wages, however, an abundance of people equates to an abundance of economic activity. We're not at a point of an actual food shortage, just in a strange place where currency isn't put into the hands that would use it.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Lynnch]
    #20388120 - 08/07/14 02:13 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Givt aid pays more than min wage in most states. This surely doesn't sound like a recipe for disaster.

Either way the market will eventually correct the wage problem. Once america is fully globalized to the working class of india and china (thanks american politicans for your free trade agreements aka make big corporations ultra rich while crushing your own middle class) then businessses will have no choice but to offer food and shelter at prices workers can afford which will be a much lower standard of living than americans are used to.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Nova]
    #20388249 - 08/07/14 02:49 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Many people thought Obama would be the savior for this massive inequality, but he's only made it multiples worse.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-06/next-time-obama-boasts-about-recovery-show-him-chart

"The greatest irony is that the President is railing against inequality as one of the most important problems of the day, despite the fact that his polices are squeezing the middle class and causing the Fed- with the President's encouragement- to engage in the radical monetary policy, which is exacerbating inequality. The simple truth cannot be repeated often enough."


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: TheMule73]
    #20388259 - 08/07/14 02:52 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Chains like mcdonalds make thousands of dollars per hour even, you have to understand that when your clearing thousands of dollars in profit while the workers work as slaves for a company that can pay them so much more you should be asking for a pay increase,


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: qman]
    #20388288 - 08/07/14 02:59 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Lol come on man "Obama is bad! See the chart?!" Notice how they don't actually name any policies? It's all fluff, all what, no why. All that chart shows is that all of the government bailouts in '08/'09 went to the rich.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Lynnch]
    #20388332 - 08/07/14 03:09 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Lol come on man "Obama is bad! See the chart?!" Notice how they don't actually name any policies? It's all fluff, all what, no why. All that chart shows is that all of the government bailouts in '08/'09 went to the rich.




I don't blame Obama, the point is he's a bought and paid for President for the rich (but at the same time complains about them in public), the "policies" are all the QE programs which have only increased the massive wealth inequality.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: qman]
    #20388364 - 08/07/14 03:21 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

10.50 minimum ....
Why should a single parent need to depend on food assistance or heat/electric assistance, just to make ends meet?


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Maharishi_2_U]
    #20388397 - 08/07/14 03:31 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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10.50 minimum ....
Why should a single parent need to depend on food assistance or heat/electric assistance, just to make ends meet?



Why should someone dumb enough to have children when they are incapable of getting a better job be helped?


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #20388440 - 08/07/14 03:46 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Man I remember when I worked at McDonalds for two weeks....Man when I saw that paycheck I was like holy fuck, I am working way too hard for this shit, ANY fucking mall job or restaraunt is easier than Mcdonalds, The thing is FAST FOOD chains are specifically designed to brainwash people into thinking "I have no experience I am only good enough for this Mcshit job" and its bullshit.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: pookiepower]
    #20388451 - 08/07/14 03:49 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

plus all the grease gets all over you and you smell like food and its greasy gets all over ur forehead its horrible. and its hot in there hot and lots of grease and ur sweating, and it smells like mcdonalds strongly in thur


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: ShiVersblood]
    #20388485 - 08/07/14 03:58 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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plus all the grease gets all over you and you smell like food and its greasy gets all over ur forehead its horrible. and its hot in there hot and lots of grease and ur sweating, and it smells like mcdonalds strongly in thur



yea that shit blows thats why i longer work at mcdonalds.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #20388503 - 08/07/14 04:04 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

dont forget that constaNT beeping/alarm AHHHHHHHHHHH


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