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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: TheMule73] * 3
    #20386091 - 08/06/14 11:16 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

If you think working fast food is an "easier job" then you must have never worked in the industry before. I see your point, but The small businesses usually have family and friends working for them and make out OK. I also think that it was in CA if I'm not mistaken. The wage should be on par with the price it takes to live in the area worked in. They have to afford housing and just basic life essentials.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: ShiVersblood] * 2
    #20386714 - 08/07/14 06:47 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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The mcdonalds people have kids to take care of they need the money they have families and a home to pay for.



should of thought about their future before spreading the legs....:shrug:


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    #20386055 - 08/06/14 11:03 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Do they not realize that then the small business down the road paying their employees ~18 an hour will either have to also raise their wages up a considerable percentage (which they probably can't afford to do) or else risk seeing their employees leave for a job at McDonald's making fairly close to what they were making before, while doing a much easier job?

Idk, it just bugs me to read comments saying fast food joints should just up and nearly double their pay as if they would have no effect on the small-business economy within the community.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: TheMule73] * 1
    #20386157 - 08/06/14 11:39 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Scenario...someone who works at McDonald's does not pay to eat at McDonald's. The extra money they have is disposable income. That worker will then go eat at the mom and pop diner down the road. More money is circulating. How much merit their is to that is beyond me. Some of it is probably accurate.

And with the raise of wages comes to raising product prices...by a couple cents, for large corporations. Once again it'll barely dent the consumers total at the store. And now the Wal-Mart workers aren't on food stamps at other social programs can be funded.

For small retailers the price of their products would go up as well...or would it? Once again there is more disposable income and people have more incentive to go to the small retailer.

Just a cycle analytical clusterfuck thought process. I support raising the minimum wage to ten and seeing how it goes.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: King Klick] * 1
    #20386172 - 08/06/14 11:45 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Corporations raise the price simply because those fucking bastards will NEVER take less, EVER! It goes against everything capitalism stands for. It is a fuck all you guys I got mine now go get your own. It is my right as a corporation/greedy fuck to get as much as I possibly can.

ME:"But sir, you can still have the 30 billion for that."

THEM:"Fuck you, it is my right as a corporation to get 40 billion. 30 billion would bankrupt me!":scat::scat::scat::scat::scat:


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: King Klick] * 1
    #20386199 - 08/07/14 12:12 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

lol who the fuck is going to leave a job at a small local joint to make $3 less per hour at mcdonalds? working in mcdonalds would suck ass. I would take any other food service job I could find before working at a fast food restaurant.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: TheMule73] * 1
    #20386227 - 08/07/14 12:32 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

seattle made min wage 15/hr I think.  inflation is coming.  politicians only do it for votes, citizens want it because they are ignorant, ftw


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #20386709 - 08/07/14 06:45 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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it's not hard work and it's only a little stressful when you have to deal
with some of the retards or if you panic during a rush, hell, the McDonalds
near me cant get shit right. cold undercooked fries and too much sauce on
burgers, the shit is inedible, if they arent capable of getting condiments
right at $8/hr then how the fuck will they manage at $15/hr


Pris what are you talking about the fries are on timers the meat is on timers and the condiments come out of a caulking gun preset to dispense the amount called for.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #20386729 - 08/07/14 06:53 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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One has to consider the person that works for fast may or may not have 1-5 kids or more. Maybe not. Maybe it would make other chain corporate restaurants pay more throughout the US. I feel like the 2.35 an hour thing for waiters is ludicrous. I have been in the bar/restaurant biz for 32 years and had to go back to school to get out of it. Got a nursing degree though.

I do think 12 an hour is OK and should be standard starting pay for that job.:shrug:



If there stupid enough to have a children and have no better prospects than a minimum wage job fuck em. We should sterilize idiots like that.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Murph] * 1
    #20386779 - 08/07/14 07:07 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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This same thread again?

This crap debate gets re-posted every week with either zappa, pris or gilamish posting against the raise and every other member filling pages in disagreement... how many times do you people need to repeat yourselves?



Murph no one forces you to read threads.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Xingu] * 1
    #20389769 - 08/07/14 09:08 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

If minimum wage is increased, then prices go up, and the well educated people who have worked their way into salaried jobs, and the people who have worked their asses off for raises don't get paid anymore. Meaning that they now struggle to make ends meet due to the fact that inflation is raising prices, while they are still getting paid the same because they were on a salary (if they weren't already struggling). Meanwhile, the fast food worker who just got a raise isn't any better off, because everything is costing more now. It's completely ignorant to raise minimum wage. If you want to be paid more, then work for it like the rest of us did.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: trekie] * 1
    #20393649 - 08/08/14 09:49 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Fast food is easy no skill work and deserves shit pay.

No way in hell should some one flipping burgers get nearly the same pay as a construction worker.

If you think fast food is hard work life is going to be very difficult for you.




I have done both construction and Mcdonalds. Yes construction may be harder on your body but you take more breaks. I hated the job of fast food way more than construction. I would actually say fast food is harder. Yes it's unskilled, but that doesn't make it easy. Construction was also less rushed, I never had someone screaming to do it faster. Yeah you get the occasional lecture on speed but the pace of construction was much more leisurely in my experience.
If you can't afford to pay people 15 bucks an hour don't start a business. Maybe the garment factory should be able to pay people 5 bucks so they can compete with India? People say hell no to that but accept it when mega corporations cry poor.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: TheMule73]
    #20386084 - 08/06/14 11:12 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I agree. Fast food jobs are shitty jobs by design. It's not like it was an accident. Shitty food too. How is that service WORTH fifteen dollars an hour...absurd. In my opinion 12 is a miracle just for fast food.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #20386109 - 08/06/14 11:21 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I agree that wages should be in part, determined by cost of living of the area, but (and yes I have actually worked in food-court in a mall) even tho fast food jobs can be a bitch and it sucks no doubt, I don't know of any area in the U.S expensive enough that would warrant anything near 15 an hour to flip burgers (one of the lowest jobs on the totem pole, tho obviously still an honest living)

Like another poster said, 12 is a lot.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: TheMule73]
    #20386133 - 08/06/14 11:29 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

One has to consider the person that works for fast may or may not have 1-5 kids or more. Maybe not. Maybe it would make other chain corporate restaurants pay more throughout the US. I feel like the 2.35 an hour thing for waiters is ludicrous. I have been in the bar/restaurant biz for 32 years and had to go back to school to get out of it. Got a nursing degree though.

I do think 12 an hour is OK and should be standard starting pay for that job.:shrug:


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #20386138 - 08/06/14 11:30 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I agree about that waiter wages. That's just insane. I don't like the idea of having an employee rely on customers for payment.

Nice, nursing is a solid way to go, no doubt.


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #20386180 - 08/06/14 11:49 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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tyrannicalrex said:
Corporations raise the price simply because those fucking bastards will NEVER take less, EVER! It goes against everything capitalism stands for. It is a fuck all you guys I got mine now go get your own. It is my right as a corporation/greedy fuck to get as much as I possibly can.

ME:"But sir, you can still have the 30 billion for that."

THEM:"Fuck you, it is my right as a corporation to get 40 billion. 30 billion would bankrupt me!":scat::scat::scat::scat::scat:



pretty much. I've been on vacation and Fox being the only news show on the satellite tv, I have been watching it. First off Bill O'Reilly is a fucking bastard puppet. That's irrelevant but I had to say it. Anyways they were talking about how Obama is looking to do something about companies incorporating overseas. So maybe something will be done about that...


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #20386215 - 08/07/14 12:23 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

if I had the choice of working between small business and fast food I would choose SB EVERYTIME. This mostly comes with the bullshit you need to deal with as a franchise. Everything must be done as per policy even if its totally impracticable. At a SB if the manger wants to close early so be it ect


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Shining Cosmos]
    #20386217 - 08/07/14 12:25 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I agree. Fast food jobs are shitty jobs by design. It's not like it was an accident. Shitty food too. How is that service WORTH fifteen dollars an hour...absurd. In my opinion 12 is a miracle just for fast food.




Right. These jobs are meant for teenagers, not supporting a family on. Unfortunately, that's mostly who it is


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Re: When people say that McDonald's, for example, should up their wages to 15/hr.. [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #20386220 - 08/07/14 12:26 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Fast food and retail don't get paid enough for the shit they have to put up with. Everyone I know living off minimum wage has to have government assistance. Minimum wage is like $7.52 here. The only real difference in cost in living in Ohio is cheaper housing.


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