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Re: Over 10,000 demonstrate at while house against isreali gaza attacks [Re: akira_akuma]
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why not go after all of those?
Why do we need to finance just this one country more then any other, except for Iraq and Afghanistan combined?
Why the fuck do people keep thinking Obama is some type of give a shit president, and keep comparing him to George Bush and how much George Bush didn't give a shit. And yet on a scale of 1-10, George Bush was a 9 if Obama is a 10. So if George Bush didn't give a shit, HOW IN THE WORLD DOES OBAMA qualify as giving a shit?
He has financed more genocide then any president in history. Obama is the Donald Trump of presidents, he cares only about money, employes so little, and then claims it's in the benefit of mass prosperity for all.
He has horrible foreign policy. Perhaps if Iron Dome wasn't there, those rockets would've hit something and caused a reason for Israel to massively murder 1000s of innocent people. Their whole reason for defence right? After all, if thousands are murdered on your territory, then strike back hard and fast right? So you think those rockets landing would've killed thousands of Israeli civilians? But wait, the intent of Hamas was to hit military targets right? So really they are within the laws of war. I mean, if Israel is aiming at military targets and fucking kills thousands of Palestinians then what's the big deal? So both sides are within the laws of war, they aimed at the military, and both feel short of their aim.
Why is one a terrible regime and the other not? I have seen nothing but arguments supported by straw and opinion EVERY time I ask this question. I suppose you will tell me now how the Jews have the support of the UN, and other countries commit genocide, and how I don't understand how terrible Hamas is, therefore Israel was justified in murdering thousands. There can be no other answer
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Re: Over 10,000 demonstrate at while house against isreali gaza attacks [Re: imachavel]
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akira_akuma said: why, because it would help show the Gazans some respect, and quell a long driven tide. how?
that's the tough one, i just can't wrap my head around.
all i know, is that they should all be together, and not separate. that's a big dividing factor that causes all sorts of xenophobic bullshit to go overboard.
I see absolutely no reason to believe that the Gazans are interested in anything less than all of Palestine
I have no reason to believe that Jews were interested in anything less then the simple constructs made for them called gas chambers later on. I think Hitler went too far gassing them, but don't think he went too far constructing simple places for them to live happily and provided for.
You know where you would have done well in? The Civil War, either side
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Re: Over 10,000 demonstrate at while house against isreali gaza attacks [Re: imachavel]
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Why do we need to finance just this one country more then any other, except for Iraq and Afghanistan combined?
Why the fuck do people keep thinking Obama is some type of give a shit president, and keep comparing him to George Bush and how much George Bush didn't give a shit. And yet on a scale of 1-10, George Bush was a 9 if Obama is a 10. So if George Bush didn't give a shit, HOW IN THE WORLD DOES OBAMA qualify as giving a shit?
He has financed more genocide then any president in history. Obama is the Donald Trump of presidents, he cares only about money, employes so little, and then claims it's in the benefit of mass prosperity for all.
He has horrible foreign policy. Perhaps if Iron Dome wasn't there, those rockets would've hit something and caused a reason for Israel to massively murder 1000s of innocent people. Their whole reason for defence right? After all, if thousands are murdered on your territory, then strike back hard and fast right? So you think those rockets landing would've killed thousands of Israeli civilians? But wait, the intent of Hamas was to hit military targets right? So really they are within the laws of war. I mean, if Israel is aiming at military targets and fucking kills thousands of Palestinians then what's the big deal? So both sides are within the laws of war, they aimed at the military, and both feel short of their aim.
Why is one a terrible regime and the other not? I have seen nothing but arguments supported by straw and opinion EVERY time I ask this question. I suppose you will tell me now how the Jews have the support of the UN, and other countries commit genocide, and how I don't understand how terrible Hamas is, therefore Israel was justified in murdering thousands. There can be no other answer
What deranged nonsense is this? Get a fucking dictionary
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Re: Over 10,000 demonstrate at while house against isreali gaza attacks [Re: zappaisgod]
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Well the civil war was about fighting for a people's freedom. And yet wasn't one side a terrorist regime for fighting against the side fighting for freedom?
I think if you fought on either side of that war you would have a different perception of what terrorism is. And in that war both sides had highly inaccurate rockets, which side was the terrorists? Why couldn't the blacks just accept their small piece of land on a farm as theirs? After all, the south won the rest of land fair and square when they killed all the indians in the southern states
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Re: Over 10,000 demonstrate at while house against isreali gaza attacks [Re: zappaisgod]
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imachavel said: why not go after all of those?
Why do we need to finance just this one country more then any other, except for Iraq and Afghanistan combined?
Why the fuck do people keep thinking Obama is some type of give a shit president, and keep comparing him to George Bush and how much George Bush didn't give a shit. And yet on a scale of 1-10, George Bush was a 9 if Obama is a 10. So if George Bush didn't give a shit, HOW IN THE WORLD DOES OBAMA qualify as giving a shit?
He has financed more genocide then any president in history. Obama is the Donald Trump of presidents, he cares only about money, employes so little, and then claims it's in the benefit of mass prosperity for all.
He has horrible foreign policy. Perhaps if Iron Dome wasn't there, those rockets would've hit something and caused a reason for Israel to massively murder 1000s of innocent people. Their whole reason for defence right? After all, if thousands are murdered on your territory, then strike back hard and fast right? So you think those rockets landing would've killed thousands of Israeli civilians? But wait, the intent of Hamas was to hit military targets right? So really they are within the laws of war. I mean, if Israel is aiming at military targets and fucking kills thousands of Palestinians then what's the big deal? So both sides are within the laws of war, they aimed at the military, and both feel short of their aim.
Why is one a terrible regime and the other not? I have seen nothing but arguments supported by straw and opinion EVERY time I ask this question. I suppose you will tell me now how the Jews have the support of the UN, and other countries commit genocide, and how I don't understand how terrible Hamas is, therefore Israel was justified in murdering thousands. There can be no other answer
What deranged nonsense is this? Get a fucking dictionary
hy·poc·ri·sy hiˈpäkrisē/ noun noun: hypocrisy; plural noun: hypocrisies
the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.
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Re: Over 10,000 demonstrate at while house against isreali gaza attacks [Re: imachavel]
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All wars are about fighting for freedom.
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Re: Over 10,000 demonstrate at while house against isreali gaza attacks [Re: imachavel]
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No. Terrorism is about tactics. Given Sherman's march one could argue that the North were the terrorists. Although that would be stupid. Total war is total war and it is preferable to perpetual war.Quote:
I think if you fought on either side of that war you would have a different perception of what terrorism is. And in that war both sides had highly inaccurate rockets, which side was the terrorists? Why couldn't the blacks just accept their small piece of land on a farm as theirs? After all, the south won the rest of land fair and square when they killed all the indians in the southern states
What incredibly disjointed nonsense. The Negro slaves didn't have a small piece of land and they have not carved out their own nation within America. Analogies are clearly not your strong suit.
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Re: Over 10,000 demonstrate at while house against isreali gaza attacks [Re: imachavel]
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You do not seem to know what the word "genocide" means
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Re: Over 10,000 demonstrate at while house against isreali gaza attacks [Re: imachavel]
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imachavel said: Well the civil war was about fighting for a people's freedom. And yet wasn't one side a terrorist regime for fighting against the side fighting for freedom?
let me answer.... the SIDE YOUR ON, is against "THE ENEMY". it's really that simple, and you're not there, a part of anything, so you just got no fucking clue why anything.
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at least in the former instance, the rules therefore afterwards are SET. at least there's SOME pay-off.
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Re: Over 10,000 demonstrate at while house against isreali gaza attacks [Re: zappaisgod]
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No. Terrorism is about tactics. Given Sherman's march one could argue that the North were the terrorists. Although that would be stupid. Total war is total war and it is preferable to perpetual war.
WHAT IS THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE?
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Re: Over 10,000 demonstrate at while house against isreali gaza attacks [Re: imachavel]
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One ends. Do we have any trouble with Germany and Japan today?
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Re: Over 10,000 demonstrate at while house against isreali gaza attacks [Re: zappaisgod]
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Do you know how long this Palestinian-Israeli conflict lasted? What an ignorant statement? How long did the cold war last?
good thing you are not a negotiator, I hope
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Re: Over 10,000 demonstrate at while house against isreali gaza attacks [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: One ends. Do we have any trouble with Germany and Japan today?
for the sake of argument, let's say it's an all out war. Why not? Why can't one side just stomp on the other until it no longer exists?
Why the fuck would Israel bomb the shit out of one side just to negotiate the things that they said they wouldn't allow? Why not go for it? A full take over?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Is that illegal by some chance?
what a bullshit war. Who the fuck is the UN to step in and make rules. Who are they to call one side terrorists and not the other? is who
I'd say fuck it and let them fuck each other up but good. Stay out of it, no more financial assistance, just medical aid. No more support of Israel either, fuck it, fuck them and let them just finance themselves, or get financed by one of these other terror countries the US hates.
Why does the US support Israel SOOO much? Because Obama sure knows how to is that what type of president we really want? A president?
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Re: Over 10,000 demonstrate at while house against isreali gaza attacks [Re: imachavel]
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That's fine after asking you 100 times now, you have not answered one time honestly. I'll go ahead and answer for you then:
"Why the US has the most pro-Israel foreign policy in the world
Updated by Zack Beauchamp on July 24, 2014, 9:00 a.m. ET @zackbeauchamp zack@vox.com Tweet (465) Share (5,230) +1 LinkedIn (409) Email Print Obama and Netanyahu walk. Lior Mizrahi/Getty Images Don't miss stories. Follow Vox!
Everyone knows the United States is Israel's best friend. The US gives Israel billions of dollars in aid annually, consistently blocks UN Security Council resolutions condemning Israel, and backs its military offensives publicly. But why? What's the thinking behind America going above-and-beyond for Israel?
The short version: it's complicated. The long version is that It's a tight interplay of America's long-running Middle East strategy, US public opinion/electoral politics, and a pro-Israel lobbying campaign that is effective, but maybe not as effective as you've heard. Here's a guide to the different factors shaping America's Israel policy — and how they relate to each other. Since the Cold War, Israel has been the linchpin of American Middle East strategy
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US President Jimmy Carter, Egyptian President Anwar Sadat, and Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin shake hands at the Camp David accords that led to an Israeli-Egyptian peace treaty. David Hume Kennerly/Getty Images
The US wasn't always so close with Israel. For instance, when Israel (along with France and Britain) invaded Egypt in 1956, the United States sided against Israel, pushing the invaders to leave. And the US for years opposed, and worked actively against, Israel's clandestine nuclear program. "Stated commitments to [Israel from American policymakers] cannot erase a legacy of US policies that often represented more of a threat than a support to Israeli security," Michael Barnett, George Washington University political scientist, writes.
Even when the US did come to support Israel, it was more about cold strategic calculation than the domestic political support you see today. The US-Israel relationship grew "by leaps and bounds" after 1967, according to Barnett, owing largely to "a changing US containment and strategic posture." American presidents and strategists came to see Israel as a useful tool for containing Soviet influence in the Middle East, which was significant among Arab states, and used diplomatic and military support to weave Israel firmly into the anti-Soviet bloc.
This strategic justification came down with the Berlin Wall. Yet the US aid to Israel kept flowing after the Cold War, as did diplomatic support. What kept it going?
"the US approach to the Middle East didn't change that much after the Cold War"
For one thing, the US approach to the Middle East didn't change that much after the Cold War. The US became increasingly involved in managing disputes and problems inside the Middle East during the Cold War, and it maintained that role as the world's sole super-power in the 90s. Stability in the Middle East continued to be a major American interest, for a number of reasons that included the global oil market, and the US took on the role as guarantor of regional stability.
That meant the US saw it as strategically worthwhile to support states like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Israel, which saw themselves as benefitting from an essentially conservative US approach to Middle Eastern regional politics. Unlike, say, Iran, Syria, and Saddam's Iraq, these countries were basically OK with the status quo in the Middle East. The US also supported the status quo, so it supported them accordingly.
This view of Israel as a "force for stability" helps maintain US support, according to Brent Sasley, a political scientist at the University of Texas, "in the sense that Israel can stabilize what's going on in the Middle East. If there's fear of Jordan being undermined by an internal or external enemy, the United States sometimes turns to Israel to pose a threat to that threat."
America's self-appointed role as manager of the Middle East also landed it the job of Israeli-Palestinian peace broker.
"The parties need a third party," Hussein Ibish, a Senior Fellow at the American Task Force on Palestine, says. "I think there is no other candidate than the United States. There's no other party that's capable, and no other party that's interested."
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/24/5929705/us-israel-friends
Thanks ahead of time for not talking a bunch of shit and lying to everyone after the facts are IN YOUR FACE
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Re: Over 10,000 demonstrate at while house against isreali gaza attacks [Re: imachavel]
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what, because US supports Israel as a strategic ally = evil?
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Re: Over 10,000 demonstrate at while house against isreali gaza attacks [Re: imachavel]
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I don't see anything that contradicts what I have said. Egypt stole the Suez Canal and Britain, France and Israel said no no no. The US didn't support any of them. The Egyptians got the canal, anyway.
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Re: Over 10,000 demonstrate at while house against isreali gaza attacks [Re: imachavel]
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Why should I give a shit what that jerkoff says http://www.vox.com/authors/zack-beauchamp
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Zack Beauchamp Dictator-for-Life
Zack writes about all of the things that are not American things. He previously edited a section on political thought at ThinkProgress and, before that, contributed to The Dish. It's pronounced BEE-chum.
http://www.redstate.com/diary/lifeofgrace/2014/04/23/voxster-beauchamps-outrageous-anti-israel-lies/
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Thanks for enlightening everyone, Mr. BEE-chum, with your “facts”. I think you were born in the wrong generation, really, and the wrong part of the world. With your intellect and insatiable capacity for propaganda, you would have made Pravda proud in the 1960’s. You would have made an excellent teacher for the re-education camps in Cambodia, or the cultural revolution in Maoist China.
Here’s a small selection of lies, half-baked lies, and outrages.
An early United Nations plan to give each group part of the land failed, and Israel and the surrounding Arab nations fought several wars over the territory.
Whole books have been written on the subject, and BEE-chum has boiled it down to a sentence, and managed to hide the truth at the same time. Bravo. I recommend reading “A Safe Haven: Harry S. Truman and the Founding of Israel” by Ronald Radosh. The facts: UN Resolution 181(II) was known as the “partition plan” for Israel. This plan was accepted by the Jewish Agency, on behalf of Jews around the world, and the 600,000 starving refugees still in the same liberated death camps two years after the end of WWII. The Arab League unanimously walked out and rejected the plan, stating that they will never accept Jews in Palestine. At least they’ve remained consistent for the last 66 years.
On May 14, 1948, without any agreement on the partition plan, the British mandate for governing Palestine expired. The Brits struck the Union Jack over Jerusalem and left, and immediately the new Israeli government raised the blue and white Star of David flag. The next day, five Arab armies attacked. This is not even debatable. It’s history.
Zionism is Israel’s national ideology.
That’s like saying that the Democratic Party is America’s national ideology (then again, BEE-chum might believe that too). Zionists were just one group of Israel’s founders. There was a significant non-Zionist element present. The fact is that Israel was declared a Jewish State only by a slim majority and compromise; many of the founders wanted a completely secular state, with Arabs and Jews living without any religious or cultural boundaries. The Israeli Declaration of Independence does not even directly mention God (ironic considering that the American one does, and often). Only an anti-Zionist would make that kind of sweeping generalization.
Israeli forces defeated the Palestinian militias and Arab armies in a vicious conflict that turned 700,000 Palestinian civilians into refugees.
Here he’s highlighted the “700,000 Palestinian civilians into refugees,” as if this one thing is the most important. It’s totally outrageous. First, many of those Arabs dwelling in Israel had moved there from other Arab countries to counter the influx of Jewish refugees from Europe. These were not families who had inhabited the land for centuries.
Second, most of the refugees left because they were encouraged to leave by the invading Arab armies seeking to push the fledgling Israeli Defense Forces into the sea. They were promised to be given the Jews’ lands and possessions once the war was over. But the Arabs lost, and the new Arab refugees were not allowed into the Arab countries of their origin, and no country would admit them, preferring to leave them to pressure Israel (for 65 years!). There was a not-insignificant number of Arabs who were evicted by the IDF, mostly for tactical battle reasons, and some who were evicted for racial hatred, but it was far from the ethnic-cleansing that the anti-Zionists claim.
Third, many of the refugees returned to their land in Israel at the end of the war, before Israel closed the borders, and some had never left. These Arabs enjoy full Israeli citizenship, and can serve in the Knesset (Parliament), the IDF, and hold any job any Israeli can hold.
Arabs will eventually outnumber Jews in Israel-Palestine, if they don’t already. For Israel, which sees itself as both Jewish and democratic, this poses an existential crisis. If Arabs outnumber Jews and are allowed to vote, then it’s the end of a Jewish state. But if Arabs outnumber Jews and aren’t allowed to vote, then Israel is no longer a democracy. That’s the force of the South Africa analogy you often see in this debate: a Jewish state that represses an Arab majority would feel an awful lot like a form of apartheid.
The outrageous lie here is to give the anti-Israel crowd their cake to have, and let them eat it too. Israel has already given self-governance and self-determination to Palestinian Arabs. In fact, all the land in the West Bank and Gaza is governed by either the Palestinian Authority (West Bank) or Hamas (Gaza). The Gazans voted Hamas in themselves, although a bloody purge cemented its power.
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And the most pathetic lie:
The spark that lit this powder keg was a series of Palestinian demonstrations that Israeli soldiers fired on. Palestinian militants subsequently escalated to broader violence, and the PA refused to reign them in. Unlike the First Intifada, Palestinian tactics centered on suicide bombings, rocket attacks, and sniper fire – which Israel met with even deadlier force.
The “militants” were not reigned in by the PA because they were the PA. Israel did not retaliate with deadlier force, it defended itself and built a wall. The rocket attacks, kidnappings, and slaughter of innocents have not abated, only the suicide attacks have ended due to the wall and checkpoints.
Lies, more lies, and damnable lies. And they call this “understanding the news.”
I can’t fix vox.com (it’s not fixable), and I certainly can’t fix Zack Beauchamp. I will, however, pray that the voxsters find a fitting end to their hipster Leftist internet experiment, and go back to regular propaganda, or better, that they become enlightened with the real truth.
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Dude I think you are either manipulating, or confused.
Nice, though. I'll go with confused
That's all very interesting, but I am not defending Hamas. Or saying Israel shouldn't fight Hamas. This is what I am saying.
Israel needlessly killed civilians. They needlessly bombed civilians. Its called murder
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You posted a photo of rockets being fired from a residential area. The people elected a terrorist organization to be their government. They admittedly kidnapped and murdered three Israeli teens. Just fucking stop.
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Just fucking stop yourself. You are making me ache in my heart arguing with you. No civilian deserves to be murdered. No one should die with no dignity like that, getting killed in the middle of two stupid peoples war.
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