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Crucifying a toad or a frog
    #20342291 - 07/28/14 10:56 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

The following is an interesting rite developed by none other than Aleister Crowley!!!! I do not know if he ever did this himself but it seems unnecessisarily cruel to the frog so I will not be trying it, despite the fact that I always wanted a mercurial toad famaliar.  :noway2:




Liber L X X
The Cross of a Frog

            STAUROS BATRACHOU,
            the Ceremonies proper to obtaining
            a familiar spirit of a Mercurial
            nature as described in the
            Apocalypse of St. John the Divine
            from a frog or toad

            STAUROS BATRACHOU

            He had crucified a toad
            In thee basilisk abode,
            Muttering the Runes averse
            Mad with many a mocking curse.

           

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In this Ritual the Chief Officer representeth a Snake, because of Mercury. (the proper food of snakes is frogs.) The Mystery of Conception is the catching of the frog in silence, and the affirmation of the Will to perform this ceremony.

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The frog being caught is kept all night in an ark or chest; as it is written, 'Thou didst not abhor the Virgin's Womb'. Presently the frog will begin to leap therein, and this is an omen of good success. Dawn being come, thou shalt approach the chest with an offering of gold, and if available of frankincense and of myrrh. Thou shalt then release the frog from the chest with many acts of homage and place it in apparent liberty. He may, for example, be placed on a quilt of many colours, and covered with a net.

II

Now take a vessel of water and approach the frog, saying: in the Name of the Father + and of the Son + and of the Holy Ghost (here sprinkle water on its head) I baptize thee, O creature of frogs, with water, by the name of Jesus of Nazareth.

III

During the day thou shalt approach the frog whenever convenient, and speak words of worship. And thou shalt ask it to perform such miracles as thou desirest to be done; and they shall be done according to Thy Will. Also thou shalt promise to the frog an elevation fitting for him; and all this while thou shalt be secretly carving a cross whereon to crucify him.

IV

Night being fallen, thou shalt arrest the frog, and accuse him of blasphemy, sedition and so forth, in these words:

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Lo, Jesus of Nazareth, how thou art taken in my snare. All my life long thou hast plagued me and affronted me. In thy name - with all other free souls in Christendom - I have been tortured in my boyhood; all delights have been forbidden unto me; all that I had has been taken from me, and that which is owed to me they pay not - in thy name. Now, at last, I have thee; the Slave-God is in the power of the Lord of Freedom. Thine hour is come; as I blot thee out from this earth, so surely shall the eclipse pass; and the Light, Life, Love and Liberty be once more the Law of Earth. Give thou place to me, O, Jesus; thine aeon is passed; the Age of Horus is arisen by the Magick of the Master the Beast that is Man; and his number is six hundred and three score and six. Love is the law, love under will.

[A pause.]

I, To Mega Therion [The Great Beast], therefore condemn thee, Jesus the slave-god, to be mocked and spat upon and scourged and then crucified.

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This sentence is then executed. After the mocking upon the Cross, say thus: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. I, the Great Beast, slaying thee, Jesus of Nazareth, the slave-god, under the form of this creature of frogs, do bless this creature in the name of the + Father and of the + Son and of the + Holy Ghost. And I assume unto myself and take into my service the elemental spirit of this frog, to be about me as a lying spirit, to go forth upon the earth as a guardian to me in my Work for Man; that men may speak of my piety and of my gentleness and of all virtues and bring to me love and service and all material things soever where I may stand in need. And this shall be its reward, to stand beside me and hear the truth that I utter, the falsehood whereof shall deceive men. Love is the law, love under will.

Then shalt thou stab the frog to the heart with the Dagger of Art, saying: Into my hands I receive thy spirit.

VI

Presently thou shalt take down the frog from the cross and divide it into two parts; the legs shalt thou cook and eat as a sacrament to confirm thy compact with the frog; and the rest shalt thou burn utterly with fire, to consume finally the aeon of the accursed one. So mote it be!


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Re: Crucifying a toad or a frog [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #20343038 - 07/28/14 02:06 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

What a dickish thing to do.  I haven't read crowley but the bits and pieces I have heard don't make me warm to the man.  I find all that jumped up pseudo religious language off putting.  I admit that i'm speaking from a position of ignorance, but people have used language like that to justify all kinds of cruelty, and I'm not down with that.

Having said that, I once took part in what I guess you could call a similar kind of ceremony in Peru.  The froggie wasn't harmed/hurt. It's just a way of harvesting the secretions from the glands which are then applied to the skin via subcutaneous burn. It makes you sicker than you've ever felt in your life for about 20 minutes, then you start to feel better.  It's an important medicine in the amazon jungle.



The frog is then released back into the wild unharmed.


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Re: Crucifying a toad or a frog [Re: Revelation]
    #20344089 - 07/28/14 07:14 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I'd suggest you do read Crowley. A superficial reading will leave you thinking he's a madman. A deep reading will leave you realizing he's harmless, a slightly demented genius, but harmless.

As far as I can tell this was his version of an ancient folklore rite practiced in the countryside called "the waters of the moon" or "the toad bone rite". In the traditional version the toad is tortured to death crucified on a black thorn bush. Crowley's version is actually more humane than the countryside folk magic tradition, if you can believe it.


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Re: Crucifying a toad or a frog [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #20345457 - 07/29/14 04:14 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I'd suggest you do read Crowley. A superficial reading will leave you thinking he's a madman. A deep reading will leave you realizing he's harmless, a slightly demented genius, but harmless.




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Re: Crucifying a toad or a frog [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #20347676 - 07/29/14 04:25 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Crowley said later in his life that all ritual is simply externalized meditation, an external crutch for internal processes.


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Re: Crucifying a toad or a frog [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #20349665 - 07/30/14 01:24 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Crowley said later in his life that all ritual is simply externalized meditation, an external crutch for internal processes.



I agree with that on principle. The ceremonial rituals leads the magician into a trance. The incense, candles, chanting, and other accoutraments of a temple are there to lead the practicioner into the proper trance state or receptive state to work more directly with the energies of the cunning craft.

I wonder how this applies to ritual sacrafices. The human sacrafice of Jesus or the sacrafice ofhumans and animals to myriad gods and godesses on the scale of the Aztecs.


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Re: Crucifying a toad or a frog [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #20353563 - 07/30/14 11:11 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I knew a guy who once shot a squirrel and crucified it. It was so sad, and sick. :frown:


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Re: Crucifying a toad or a frog [Re: ShiVersblood]
    #20353853 - 07/31/14 12:51 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Wasn't that a thread in shroomites anonymous at one stage? Someone crucifying a squirrel and mutilating other small defenceless creatures?


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Re: Crucifying a toad or a frog [Re: ShiVersblood]
    #20354272 - 07/31/14 04:50 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I knew a guy who once shot a squirrel and crucified it. It was so sad, and sick. :frown:



That sounds pretty messed up.


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Re: Crucifying a toad or a frog [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #20355246 - 07/31/14 11:26 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

harmless my arse! That ugly old bald git has incited (we dont know what he got up to behind closed doors but we know he beat his women partners and drove them mad) much evil.

I ask you, Crowley supporters claim that his writing how the best sacrifice for magicK is a young boy is really meanng spunk-eating magick. is that so...? Well IF IF so what kind of responsibility is there to write something that if understood wrong would have people doing just that?! And how many HAVE done it? I suppose you know the history OF sacrifice?
I suppose you also know about the Bible and how people interpret it 'wrong' right, and the 'Good Book' has caused untold evil?

Crowley's evil shit is all over 9/11 also!

His very philosophy, his Law of Thelema is law of the 'aristocratic' 'strong' over the 'weak'. In my book that is the epitome of evil


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Re: Crucifying a toad or a frog [Re: zzripz] * 1
    #20355451 - 07/31/14 12:28 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

That law of Thelema is "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under will." He advocates acting out of love in all things. Thats not much different than the golden rule, which if followed usually leaves everyone happy. I don't really see where you're getting the hostility towards thelema from. Its not personally my cup of tea but I do admire the sentimentality of the old softie. BTW, since you brought up 9/11, did you know there is compelling evidence that Crowley is Barbara Bush's father? That would make him George W Bush's grandpa.


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Re: Crucifying a toad or a frog [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #20356215 - 07/31/14 03:57 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

There is no compelling evidence. The original article about it was posted on April Fool's day.

As far as the frog, he didn't actually do it. Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke. :bobdobbs:


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Re: Crucifying a toad or a frog [Re: Middleman]
    #20356793 - 07/31/14 06:01 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Crowley never wrote this, but Andrew Chumbley, who practiced a form of British Traditional Witchcraft, published a (very) limited edition book called the Grimorie of the Golden Toad which has a traditional East Anglican ritual that involves crucifying a toad to make a special talisman.


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Re: Crucifying a toad or a frog [Re: TaiJi]
    #20358912 - 08/01/14 02:49 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Crowley never wrote this, but Andrew Chumbley, who practiced a form of British Traditional Witchcraft, published a (very) limited edition book called the Grimorie of the Golden Toad which has a traditional East Anglican ritual that involves crucifying a toad to make a special talisman.



Crowley did write this. Chumbley wrote up the traditional folk magic custom in his book calling it "the waters of the moon" which had long been associated with the horse guilds owing to the powers it is supposed to give over animals. The rituals while both involving toads or frogs are different, despite the evidence that Crowley must have been aware of the toad bone rite and talisman, as inspiration for his own work. I'd also note that British Traditional Witchcraft is a synonym for Wicca, it is not actually traditional witchcraft like Chumbley advocated of any sort, but merely the modern wiccan religion. I wish there were practicioners of real folk British witchcraft, but they are all wiped out by the Church a thousand years ago, and what survived is a mere remnant.

Here is a link to the libers which crowley wrote. From here you can easily peruze them. http://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib70.html


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Re: Crucifying a toad or a frog [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #20358921 - 08/01/14 02:54 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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That law of Thelema is "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under will." He advocates acting out of love in all things. Thats not much different than the golden rule, which if followed usually leaves everyone happy. I don't really see where you're getting the hostility towards thelema from. Its not personally my cup of tea but I do admire the sentimentality of the old softie. BTW, since you brought up 9/11, did you know there is compelling evidence that Crowley is Barbara Bush's father? That would make him George W Bush's grandpa.




You CAN'T will love or make it a law. And I am sure the ones who see him as a prophet of the new aeon LOVE killing raping and pillaging and torturing and murdering, and genocide and ecocide. The bloody evidence is all around!

I am just re-watching a drama about the 'Moors Murderers'. They were a gruesome serial killing couple, Myra Hindley and Ian Brady, she's dead he's still living. He was into Nietzsche, just like Crowley was
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“Aleister Crowley made Nietzsche a saint in the Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica and wrote in Magick Without Tears that "Nietzsche may be regarded as one of our prophets..."


  They went around picking up little children and teenagers and sexually torturing and murdering them. Brady called murder the "supreme pleasure", and thought himself a 'superman' or 'ubermensch' as Nietzsche would term it. WILL!
As said Crowley sure didn't practice what he preached with his female partners who he treated so bad they went mad.


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Re: Crucifying a toad or a frog [Re: zzripz] * 1
    #20359028 - 08/01/14 04:27 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Ellis Dee said:
That law of Thelema is "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under will." He advocates acting out of love in all things. Thats not much different than the golden rule, which if followed usually leaves everyone happy. I don't really see where you're getting the hostility towards thelema from. Its not personally my cup of tea but I do admire the sentimentality of the old softie. BTW, since you brought up 9/11, did you know there is compelling evidence that Crowley is Barbara Bush's father? That would make him George W Bush's grandpa.




You CAN'T will love or make it a law.




The WHOLE point of Thelema's message is that one's Will cannot conflict with Love or it is not one's True Will at all.  :huxleyfacepalm:

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I am just re-watching a drama about the 'Moors Murderers'. They were a gruesome serial killing couple, Myra Hindley and Ian Brady, she's dead he's still living. He was into Nietzsche, just like Crowley was
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“Aleister Crowley made Nietzsche a saint in the Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica and wrote in Magick Without Tears that "Nietzsche may be regarded as one of our prophets..."


  They went around picking up little children and teenagers and sexually torturing and murdering them. Brady called murder the "supreme pleasure", and thought himself a 'superman' or 'ubermensch' as Nietzsche would term it. WILL!




Nietzsche was an insanely smart man, actually.  (Have you ever read any of his books, out of curiosity?  Honest question; I doubt that you have).  Just because two serial killers happened to have read him does not make Crowley a serial killer.  :rofl2:


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Re: Crucifying a toad or a frog [Re: zzripz] * 1
    #20359051 - 08/01/14 04:57 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Nietzsche has been well read by nearly every philosopher and scholar of religion in modern times. Have you read him? I get the feeling that you have some animosity for things you may not even be famaliar with. Anyway, I don't think you can take one lunatic's example of anything as proof of anything other than that one person being a lunatic. For example I have read the Bible completely but I have never gone out looking for racial enemies to smite or plucked out my eye because it causes me to "sin" by looking at pretty girls, despite the scriptures advising those activities. Lunatics will be lunatics, no matter what literature they're exposed to.


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Re: Crucifying a toad or a frog [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #20359961 - 08/01/14 11:01 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

"Give thou place to me, O, Jesus; thine aeon is passed; the Age of Horus is arisen by the Magick of the Master the Beast that is Man; and his number is six hundred and three score and six. Love is the law, love under will."

Who in their right mind, would be taken into Crowley's ego-inflated delusion that he has taken the place of Jesus the Christ? Forget about what jesus means theologically, anthropologically, mythologically, or whatever. Just as a figure of tremendous historical importance, Crowley comes along and says he's the next great figure. And then, people go and call themselves Thelemites after this guy, who was brilliant in some respects, ut quite mad in more significant respects.

Apparently, a lot of deluded individuals who see the Taurian Bull, the Arian Ram, and the Piscean Fish as all having their respective avatars in a grand astrological scheme. But the New Age is the Age of Aquarius, and the next avatar, even in this scheme of things, would not return to an age where Horus was a mythic ideal. Horus was a solar, warrior god that Crowley identified with through that whole drama of being led by his entranced wife to display #666 on the British Museum. Crowley of course, like any respectable delusional, connected the dots in such a way that he himself came out as a god. Who, without any advanced degree in psychology, cannot see that these conclusions are idiosyncratic, and symptomatic?! :shrug:. On top of which, he was a cruel and abusive man, and a big game hunter, so crucifying a toad, literally, would've meant little to him, particularly given his disdain for Christ as kindness and compassion. "Love under Will" has always seemed like an inversion of Christ to me. It should be 'Will under love," where love determines what your will should be, not determining who one should love under the direction of the will, even if the will is supposed to be of the higher self. It always turns out to be ego-will. Crowley is not a man to emulate in any era, century or aeon IMO. :nono:


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    #20360597 - 08/01/14 02:08 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Markos, you miss the point.  Crowley was anything but delusional and had a very mischievous sense of humor; he would have laughed at the notion of anyone seriously taking him to be the next Jesus Christ.  When reading Crowley one must read in between the lines.

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Teach us Your secret, Master! yap my Yahoos.
Then for the hardness of their hearts, and for the
softness of their heads, I taught them Magick.
But...alas!
Teach us Your real secret, Master! how to become
invisible, how to acquire love, and oh! beyond all,
how to make gold.
But how much gold will you give me for the Secret
of Infinite Riches?
Then said the foremost and most foolish; Master, it
is nothing; but here is an hundred thousand
pounds.
This did I deign to accept, and whispered in his ear
this secret:
A SUCKER IS BORN EVERY MINUTE.




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Re: Crucifying a toad or a frog [Re: deCypher]
    #20360629 - 08/01/14 02:20 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I think Crowley is interesting, engaging and well worth studying and reading. But I would not emulate him in most aspects of his life.


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