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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Untainted happiness being our nature [Re: circastes]
    #20321326 - 07/24/14 01:01 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I think op is spot on.

When we withdraw our mind from the world and our past/future we are left with peace.  This peace is what death is I imagine.

Death is an illusion just like separation is.  Choosing pain instead of joy is the choice we choose.  That everlasting joy is always with us, even in our darkest moments, because we are forever free to withdraw ourselves from everything ephemeral, and be as we were created.  Unharmed and pure.  I don't think this is spiritual rhetoric but how things actually are when we escape the mind-programming that the world made of us.

The essence of living in the moment is peace, to be one with Christ.  To die each moment as Zen Buddhists would say.  Never looking back or forward and simply being is delightfully tricky, because the mind is intricately fashioned to run away from the present, to disguise it with different I's jousting for position of our attention, and they are all liars...Creations of the world.  Microcosms within us of what is happening outside of us.

It's a journey we are all on and one we all eventually learn.  We've been deceived since birth.  What's wonderful is the journey has an end.  Initial birth is the beginning of deception, the bodies cessation is the unveiling of the truth we've all been walking with.  The time in between is for us to play.  To choose this joy that is inherently ours, or trick ourselves with the illusion of suffering.


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Re: Untainted happiness being our nature [Re: deCypher]
    #20326040 - 07/25/14 09:34 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Nope, disagree entirely.

Our true "nature" isn't any kind of emotion.  Happiness is an emotion, bliss is an emotion, so is pain and so is suffering.

We are human beings and we experience these emotions when we are feeling good, or when we are feeling bad.  There is no intrinsic emotion to be felt without any initial prompting sensation.




Our true nature is peace.  One can easily misidentify peace for joy or happiness.
We deviate from this nature as the body prompts us to maintain it..From there the peace becomes survival of the fittest which is not peaceful.

Peace is the intrinsic state of being for all animals IMO.


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Re: Untainted happiness being our nature [Re: deCypher]
    #20327818 - 07/25/14 05:02 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Withdraw your mind from all worldly affairs and tell us what you feel.

Animals don't reflect and project like we do.  IMO it's much easier for them to maintain peace.  They have to take care of their bodily instincts as we do, but then they just go right back to peace whereas we then go to whichever delusion we deem fit for the moment.


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    #20331832 - 07/26/14 11:53 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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The Chronic said:

If anyone looks within themselves and can find a doer, let me know




Oh, there's no such entity as doer.
Haha, the body is the only doer. :crazy:




The body is certainly not the doer imo.  The body is the vehicle for doing, but does not direct the mind if mind is under your control.

This is the biggest delusion I think..To believe in our bodies.  This is the idea of separation and of death.  My body is apart from your body, therefore we are separate.  This is true logically, but I do not believe this to be true in truth.  Our bodies disguise the oneself I believe we are.  The programming begins the moment we are encapsulated in a body, and from there that programming can be so strong that one fully believes they are a body and nothing more and terrified at the idea of the cessation of body and being.

We are not a body.  We are free.  The body is the cell we choose to lock ourselves in.  We were created I believe, to come full-circle.  To believe we are bodies and believe in this delusion only to come around full-circle at our own  pace to recognize this is not so.


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