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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#20307241 - 07/21/14 06:18 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Besides, did Israel get Palestine in the first place fair and square? No.
Sure they did. The UN gave it to them. The Israelis played by the rules and at least half the countries of the world seem to have agreed or the vote would have ended differently.
Now, I'm no fan of the UN but they are the body the world settled on and as such they did what they did. I'd rather the UN went away but that's unlikely.
In the meantime the savages need to stop shooting rockets into Israel.
So basically: "The UN makes a ton of mistakes, but this particular mistake helps my argument so they did the right thing."
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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
#20307270 - 07/21/14 06:24 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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I didn't say they did the right thing. I think giving away land you don't control is wrong.
I merely pointed out that it was done by a body the world chose to put in place.
You fail miserably at putting words in my mouth. Instead of making such a fool of yourself, perhaps try... asking.
Read the words. They mean what they say, not what you wish them to.
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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#20307272 - 07/21/14 06:25 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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imachavel said: Maybe I just don't trust Jews. Sure don't trust Islam either. Or fanatic wanna bes.
You don't have to trust any of them. All it takes is looking at which side is shooting unguided rockets at civilians.
Oh sorry I was wrong. One side is shooting unguided rockets at civilians and hitting civilians. The other is dropping unguided bombs and hitting civilians. While we are arguing, I want to ask this
This is war. Killing people. Who is right or wrong? I thought there were no civilians in war. You beat em or join em or you are in the way?
Otherwise if attacking civilians is wrong, how can you pick a side?
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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
#20307279 - 07/21/14 06:26 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Gaddafi? That was fucking France's doing, Bernard Henri-Levy in particular. Do you know what those guys who got killed in Benghazi were most likely doing? Running arms to the Syrian opposition. There is only shit in Syria. Both sides suck.
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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
#20307289 - 07/21/14 06:28 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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imachavel said: Maybe I just don't trust Jews. Sure don't trust Islam either. Or fanatic wanna bes.
You don't have to trust any of them. All it takes is looking at which side is shooting unguided rockets at civilians.
Oh sorry I was wrong. One side is shooting unguided rockets at civilians and hitting civilians. The other is dropping unguided bombs and hitting civilians. While we are arguing, I want to ask this
This is war. Killing people. Who is right or wrong? I thought there were no civilians in war. You beat em or join em or you are in the way?
Otherwise if attacking civilians is wrong, how can you pick a side?
The Israelis go out of their way to warn civilians to get out. Hamas fires rockets from hospitals, stores them in schools and tells its people to stay put so they can die for propaganda purposes.
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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
#20307292 - 07/21/14 06:29 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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imachavel said: Maybe I just don't trust Jews. Sure don't trust Islam either. Or fanatic wanna bes.
You don't have to trust any of them. All it takes is looking at which side is shooting unguided rockets at civilians.
Oh sorry I was wrong. One side is shooting unguided rockets at civilians and hitting civilians. The other is dropping unguided bombs and hitting civilians. While we are arguing, I want to ask this
This is war. Killing people. Who is right or wrong? I thought there were no civilians in war. You beat em or join em or you are in the way?
Otherwise if attacking civilians is wrong, how can you pick a side?
You're wrong again. One side is shooting unguided rockets while the other side is dropping guided bombs after warning civilians to clear the area.
Attacking civilians is wrong. I don't pick the side that does that, nor the other side. I merely recognize that one side is acting like savages in attempting to inflict civilian casualties while the other side goes above and beyond in attempting to minimize civilian casualties. It's a pretty clear difference.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#20307302 - 07/21/14 06:32 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: I didn't say they did the right thing. I think giving away land you don't control is wrong.
I merely pointed out that it was done by a body the world chose to put in place.
You fail miserably at putting words in my mouth. Instead of making such a fool of yourself, perhaps try... asking.
Read the words. They mean what they say, not what you wish them to.
So if giving it away was wrong, was it really fair and square?
Any more or less fair than annexing lands after war?
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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
#20307305 - 07/21/14 06:32 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Gaddafi? That was fucking France's doing, Bernard Henri-Levy in particular. Do you know what those guys who got killed in Benghazi were most likely doing? Running arms to the Syrian opposition. There is only shit in Syria. Both sides suck.
No shit. Obama assisting with a few air strikes is assistance too much. I emphasize, I am so happy we are not assisting in this battle. Staying the fuck out of it is Obamas smartest move. Send Kerry you punk.
Did I say punk? Yes I did. Bush got a shoe thrown at him. But he had the balls to be there. I would've laughed 1800 times harder if the shoe actually hit him btw
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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
#20307312 - 07/21/14 06:33 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Israel has guided missiles and, in the current conflict, has managed to kill over 100 times more civilians.
How can you honestly claim they're trying to avoid civilian casualties? Because their PR guy says so?
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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
#20307320 - 07/21/14 06:35 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Israel has guided missiles and, in the current conflict, has managed to kill over 100 times more civilians.
How can you honestly claim they're trying to avoid civilian casualties? Because their PR guy says so?
Because Hamas is trying to maximize them for propaganda purposes and the useful idiots lap it up.
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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
#20307324 - 07/21/14 06:36 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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imachavel said: Maybe I just don't trust Jews. Sure don't trust Islam either. Or fanatic wanna bes.
You don't have to trust any of them. All it takes is looking at which side is shooting unguided rockets at civilians.
Oh sorry I was wrong. One side is shooting unguided rockets at civilians and hitting civilians. The other is dropping unguided bombs and hitting civilians. While we are arguing, I want to ask this
This is war. Killing people. Who is right or wrong? I thought there were no civilians in war. You beat em or join em or you are in the way?
Otherwise if attacking civilians is wrong, how can you pick a side?
The Israelis go out of their way to warn civilians to get out. Hamas fires rockets from hospitals, stores them in schools and tells its people to stay put so they can die for propaganda purposes.
Out of their way? 30 seconds in advance is "out of their way"?
Maybe the US SHOULD assist Israel. Big bad USA with all the money. You agree?
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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
#20307333 - 07/21/14 06:38 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Israel has guided missiles and, in the current conflict, has managed to kill over 100 times more civilians.
How can you honestly claim they're trying to avoid civilian casualties? Because their PR guy says so?
Because Hamas is trying to maximize them for propaganda purposes and the useful idiots lap it up.
How does that answer my question?
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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
#20307344 - 07/21/14 06:40 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Israel has guided missiles and, in the current conflict, has managed to kill over 100 times more civilians.
How can you honestly claim they're trying to avoid civilian casualties? Because their PR guy says so?
THANK YOU
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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
#20307358 - 07/21/14 06:43 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: I didn't say they did the right thing. I think giving away land you don't control is wrong.
I merely pointed out that it was done by a body the world chose to put in place.
You fail miserably at putting words in my mouth. Instead of making such a fool of yourself, perhaps try... asking.
Read the words. They mean what they say, not what you wish them to.
So if giving it away was wrong, was it really fair and square?
Any more or less fair than annexing lands after war?
Fair and square? As far as it goes... yes. The world chose the body. The body made the decision. It's not the decision I'd have made but no-one asked me. Israel played by the rules agreed to. In that sense it doesn't get more fair.
If Israel won the land, it's theirs to do as they wish with. That's fair.
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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
#20307366 - 07/21/14 06:44 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Israel has guided missiles and, in the current conflict, has managed to kill over 100 times more civilians.
How can you honestly claim they're trying to avoid civilian casualties? Because their PR guy says so?
THANK YOU
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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
#20307380 - 07/21/14 06:46 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Israel has guided missiles and, in the current conflict, has managed to kill over 100 times more civilians.
How can you honestly claim they're trying to avoid civilian casualties? Because their PR guy says so?
That they give the civilians warning makes it clear. Does Hamas give warning? Does Hamas try to minimize civilian casualties?
You have no way of knowing how many of those casualties are the result of civilians being used as human shields.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said: I didn't say they did the right thing. I think giving away land you don't control is wrong.
I merely pointed out that it was done by a body the world chose to put in place.
You fail miserably at putting words in my mouth. Instead of making such a fool of yourself, perhaps try... asking.
Read the words. They mean what they say, not what you wish them to.
So if giving it away was wrong, was it really fair and square?
Any more or less fair than annexing lands after war?
Fair and square? As far as it goes... yes. The world chose the body. The body made the decision. It's not the decision I'd have made but no-one asked me. Israel played by the rules agreed to. In that sense it doesn't get more fair.
If Israel won the land, it's theirs to do as they wish with. That's fair.
So every decision made by the UN is fair?
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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#20307394 - 07/21/14 06:47 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Israel has guided missiles and, in the current conflict, has managed to kill over 100 times more civilians.
How can you honestly claim they're trying to avoid civilian casualties? Because their PR guy says so?
That they give the civilians warning makes it clear. Does Hamas give warning? Does Hamas try to minimize civilian casualties?
You have no way of knowing how many of those casualties are the result of civilians being used as human shields.
And neither do you.
That's my whole fucking point.
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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
#20307402 - 07/21/14 06:49 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Israel has guided missiles and, in the current conflict, has managed to kill over 100 times more civilians.
How can you honestly claim they're trying to avoid civilian casualties? Because their PR guy says so?
Because Hamas is trying to maximize them for propaganda purposes and the useful idiots lap it up.
How does that answer my question?
Because they warn them at all. I have no idea where imacheval got his 30 seconds thing from http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/07/09/roof-knocking-the-israeli-mjilitarys-tactic-of-phoning-palestinians-it-is-about-to-bomb/
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“He asked for me by name. He said: ‘You have women and children in the house. Get out. You have five minutes before the rockets come,’ ” Kawarea said in an interview with The Post's William Booth.
She took her children and ran outside. A small rocket hit the house soon after, Kawarea said. It was apparently the final warning. Five minutes later, a larger missile hit, and the house was destroyed. According to Hamas, seven people, including three minors, were killed in the Israeli airstrike. The man the Israelis were aiming for was apparently not among those killed.
Like so much else of his posts is came from his ass.
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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
#20307430 - 07/21/14 06:55 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yep and 7 innocent people died anyway. so obviously that tactic doesn't work.
Well, you tried.
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