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Israels criminal shelling of gaza
    #20304998 - 07/21/14 08:37 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.marxist.com/israels-criminal-shelling-of-gaza-and-imperialist-hypocrisy.htm

" A storm of bombs and fire grotesquely denominated “Operation Protective Edge” has been unleashed by the Israeli government on the civilian population of Gaza. Over the last days more than 400 tonnes of high potential bombs have hit targets within the densely populated Gaza Strip, killing at least 100 civilians, including many children, and injuring hundreds.
Meanwhile, Gaza is cut off from medical supplies and any form of aid, because of the Egyptian government’s decision to close down all tunnels through the border, which were used for smuggling in arms, but also food, fuel, medicines and almost all that is needed for the survival of the population, with the result of making the civilian casualties even worse. This attack launched by the Israeli army has no justification, in spite of all the excuses made up by the international media."

Do you agree with the article at all? Why or why not? Discuss


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
    #20305397 - 07/21/14 11:05 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Agree with the article.

Three Israelis killed. Ok, they found the dudes.


There is absolutely no justification for Israel's actions.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20305534 - 07/21/14 11:51 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

You mean there's no justification you agree with.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel] * 1
    #20305677 - 07/21/14 12:37 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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But these rockets have proven to be totally ineffective and easy for the sophisticated Israeli military defence to detect and destroy after they have been launched. Israeli towns which could be targeted by these rockets are secured and safe refuges are available in case of emergency. Proof of this is that so far civilian casualties in Israel have amounted to zero, compared to over 100 victims among the Palestinians. These figures alone speak clearly on who the real aggressor is and the disproportionate amount of firepower between the two sides



 
  So I guess the author of this article is saying Israel should not do anything until the rockets are more sophisticated , more accurate , more deadly and produce an appropriate amount of casualties .
And the people who live where the rockets land are good at hiding from rockets anyway so....
  If you are just really nice to the people who believe you have no right to exist no matter what,  perhaps they will change their mind.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: psilynut]
    #20305816 - 07/21/14 01:21 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Actually, let me edit. I believe I'd defend Israels right to defend itself if Gaza was allowed free trade and unblocked immigration. Its hard for me to defend Gaza either, why is Hama's representing them? To me it seems it'd make more sense if insurgents did not represent Gaza's intentions. But more or less Israel to me over decades, if not today, seems to justify its actions saying they are religiously persecuted. Its ignorance to me to use the Jewish persecution defense crutch.

Oh well, w/e whats the damn use. The entire middle east is like a blister on the face of the earth that needs to be popped with a few nukes.

I may even go too far saying this, but to me no religion that exists in that country should even be recognized anymore :shrug: I'm sorry religion that justifies murder should be abolished


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20305864 - 07/21/14 01:33 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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You mean there's no justification you agree with.




Their reasons are not justifiable for their actions.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
    #20305881 - 07/21/14 01:36 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

For too long

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/20436092

And what is Obama doing?

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0FQ1JC20140721?irpc=932

A ceasefire? Oh wait I mean, yeah a ceasefire. The right decision. For some reason I thought we might be secretly assisting Israel. With air strikes. Like when Gadaffi was found and raped and killed without a trial.

Ok so anyway I'm not saying we will eventually intervene like always but if we did, who do you think we would assist? Israel right? We see Hamas like insurgents, which they are, but what makes one side more innocent then the other? I should post facts but would like further input on this discussion before I continue to describe why I think both sides are equally guilty fighting a pointless war


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20305885 - 07/21/14 01:36 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Their reasons are not justifiable for their actions.




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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20306138 - 07/21/14 02:38 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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You mean there's no justification you agree with.




Their reasons are not justifiable for their actions.




According to you. Many disagree. I'm surprised they waited this long. This is how they should respond each and every time a rocket is fired at them.

I doubt many other nations would have put up with what the Israelis have. China wouldn't. Russia wouldn't. The US sure wouldn't.

Why should the Israelis?


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20306323 - 07/21/14 03:31 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm surprised they waited this long. This is how they should respond each and every time a rocket is fired at them.



Every rocket launch fired against Israel is in response to something Israel did, which was in resonse to something Palestine did, which was in response to...

Neither side is ever willing to say "you got the last shot, not let's stop".


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20306371 - 07/21/14 03:40 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Of course not, that would require maturity. And murder does not represent maturity.

I could sit here and say, "well if Israel allowed Gaza to do this....... Then no fighting would amount to much because......" But that would indicate rationality. Muslims and Jews hate each other. Its that simple, unfortunately

I wish it wasn't. Sad times for people in sad places, is all that can be said


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20306427 - 07/21/14 03:51 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
I'm surprised they waited this long. This is how they should respond each and every time a rocket is fired at them.



Every rocket launch fired against Israel is in response to something Israel did, which was in resonse to something Palestine did, which was in response to...

Neither side is ever willing to say "you got the last shot, not let's stop".




Yet Israel does, until Hamas or the others start up again. They choose not to respond, they release prisoners, they gave Gaza to people that hate Israel. Despite that, Hamas (and others) seem to always start shit again.

Frankly, I wouldn't care if the Earth opened up and swallowed that entire region but one side is clearly the aggressor.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20306577 - 07/21/14 04:20 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
You mean there's no justification you agree with.




Their reasons are not justifiable for their actions.




According to you. Many disagree. I'm surprised they waited this long. This is how they should respond each and every time a rocket is fired at them.

I doubt many other nations would have put up with what the Israelis have. China wouldn't. Russia wouldn't. The US sure wouldn't.

Why should the Israelis?





More people die in the US from vending machines than Israelis die because of Hamas.

Should we start shelling PepsiCo with warheads?


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20306659 - 07/21/14 04:35 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

If they start using catapults to willy-nilly shoot their machines into population centers, then yes.

In the meantime the harm the machines cause is generally self inflicted. Much like the harm that befalls those who are stupid enough to lob unguided missiles into population centers.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20306700 - 07/21/14 04:41 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

The hundreds of innocent civilians killed in this conflict had no part in shooting rockets into Israeli. Disgusting how some people will try to justify what is essentially genocide.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20306723 - 07/21/14 04:48 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Yet Israel does.



When was that?

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luvdemshrooms said:
They choose not to respond, they release prisoners, they gave Gaza to people that hate Israel. Despite that, Hamas (and others) seem to always start shit again.



You don't think there's a list of grievances from Palestine?

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Frankly, I wouldn't care if the Earth opened up and swallowed that entire region but one side is clearly the aggressor.



Clearly.



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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Smokey420]
    #20306728 - 07/21/14 04:49 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

You should go look up genocide. It doesn't apply.

Those in Gaza know how to stop the attacks. They choose not to.

I find wanton acts of terror, like shooting unguided missiles into population centers, to be what is disgusting. How do you justify that?


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20306751 - 07/21/14 04:53 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
Yet Israel does.



When was that?

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
They choose not to respond, they release prisoners, they gave Gaza to people that hate Israel. Despite that, Hamas (and others) seem to always start shit again.



You don't think there's a list of grievances from Palestine?

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Frankly, I wouldn't care if the Earth opened up and swallowed that entire region but one side is clearly the aggressor.



Clearly.






Last week. Actually, a better answer is "repeatedly".

I don't give a shit about both sides list. My issue is with the rockets.

Your map is in error. There never was a Palestine.

As long as one side launches unguided rockets at civilian areas, they are the aggressors. And as long as they continue to do so, Israel is completely justified in responding.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20306911 - 07/21/14 05:23 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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You should go look up genocide. It doesn't apply.

Those in Gaza know how to stop the attacks. They choose not to.

I find wanton acts of terror, like shooting unguided missiles into population centers, to be what is disgusting. How do you justify that?




What the fuck kind of logic is that?

Should US citizens be responsible for all the criminals around them? Should they have to pay with their lives if they don't?


How many of the 520+ dead were Hamas? Israel doesn't know, Palestinians don't know, and you sure as shit don't know.


By the way here's the definition of genocide:


gen·o·cide/ˈjenəˌsīd/
noun

    the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20306933 - 07/21/14 05:26 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

It's what you called it. Logic.

No rockets into Israel, no Israel bombs or troops into Gaza. It's quite a simple concept. How is it that it escapes you?


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20306939 - 07/21/14 05:27 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I know the definition. A military intent on genocide wouldn't warn those they wish to exterminate.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20307011 - 07/21/14 05:40 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't give a shit about both sides list. My issue is with the rockets.



The rockets are in response to land grabs.  You don't have an issue with that?

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Your map is in error. There never was a Palestine.



Call it what you will.  The Israeli part is correct.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20307035 - 07/21/14 05:44 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I don't have a problem with Israel "grabbing" land they've won in a war they didn't start. To the victor goes the spoils.

I do think that building settlements there at this time is astonishingly stupid and short-sighted.

The land is theirs to do with as they wish. Unfortunately, what they wish is at this time... stupid.

If the other countries didn't want to lose their land, they shouldn't have started a war they were incapable of winning.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20307082 - 07/21/14 05:51 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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[Israeli vdemshrooms said:
Yet Israel does.



When was that?

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
They choose not to respond, they release prisoners, they gave Gaza to people that hate Israel. Despite that, Hamas (and others) seem to always start shit again.



You don't think there's a list of grievances from Palestine?

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Frankly, I wouldn't care if the Earth opened up and swallowed that entire region but one side is clearly the aggressor.



Clearly.






Last week. Actually, a better answer is "repeatedly".

I don't give a shit about both sides list. My issue is with the rockets.

Your map is in error. There never was a Palestine.

As long as one side launches unguided rockets at civilian areas, they are the aggressors. And as long as they continue to do so, Israel is completely justified in responding.




I think my main point is this. Why is Gaza firing unguided rocket salvos and hitting mainly israeli military, and Israel is firing primarily guided bombs and hitting mostly civilians?


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
    #20307098 - 07/21/14 05:53 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I think my main point is this. Why is Gaza firing unguided rocket salvos and hitting mainly israeli military, and Israel is firing primarily guided bombs and hitting mostly civilians?




Your point is wrong on both counts.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20307110 - 07/21/14 05:56 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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It's what you called it. Logic.

No rockets into Israel, no Israel bombs or troops into Gaza. It's quite a simple concept. How is it that it escapes you?




Like I said, of the dead, who were Hamas?

How are the Palestinians supposed to thwart a terrorist organization if the USA can't even do it?


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20307115 - 07/21/14 05:58 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm surprised they waited this long. This is how they should respond each and every time a rocket is fired at them.



Every rocket launch fired against Israel is in response to something Israel did, which was in resonse to something Palestine did, which was in response to...

Neither side is ever willing to say "you got the last shot, not let's stop".




Actually Israel has done that many times.  The Hamas charter, the troglodytes who run the Gaza Strip, is dedicated to the destruction of Israel.  The Israelis gave the Gaza Strip that they won fair and square in a war back to the monsters.  What did they get?  Rockets and suicide bombers.  That is why there is an embargo.  Do you know who else has closed the Gaza border?  Egypt.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20307117 - 07/21/14 05:58 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't have a problem with Israel "grabbing" land they've won in a war they didn't start. To the victor goes the spoils.

I do think that building settlements there at this time is astonishingly stupid and short-sighted.

The land is theirs to do with as they wish. Unfortunately, what they wish is at this time... stupid.

If the other countries didn't want to lose their land, they shouldn't have started a war they were incapable of winning.




They didn't start it? Who does Gaza belong to? Technically they are in a separate continent. Do they govern themselves? Or does Israel govern them? They have pretty much no freedom. None the less they are a bunch of militant jihadist fanatics. None the less this whole conflict started in the 40s over racial and religious hatred.

You think one side is ultimately wrong and the other right? So which is better? Jews or Arabs? That's what started it. Now they are idiots fighting.


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    #20307139 - 07/21/14 06:01 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm surprised they waited this long. This is how they should respond each and every time a rocket is fired at them.



Every rocket launch fired against Israel is in response to something Israel did, which was in resonse to something Palestine did, which was in response to...

Neither side is ever willing to say "you got the last shot, not let's stop".




Actually Israel has done that many times.  The Hamas charter, the troglodytes who run the Gaza Strip, is dedicated to the destruction of Israel.  The Israelis gave the Gaza Strip that they won fair and square in a war back to the monsters.  What did they get?  Rockets and suicide bombers.  That is why there is an embargo.  Do you know who else has closed the Gaza border?  Egypt.




You don't "win" land in a war. Especially in 1968.

Besides, did Israel get Palestine in the first place fair and square? No.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307141 - 07/21/14 06:01 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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It's what you called it. Logic.

No rockets into Israel, no Israel bombs or troops into Gaza. It's quite a simple concept. How is it that it escapes you?




Like I said, of the dead, who were Hamas?

How are the Palestinians supposed to thwart a terrorist organization if the USA can't even do it?



How about they stop electing terrorists to run their country.  There actually is an alternative in the PA (which is no gem itself) but these retards elected Hamas. Reapage and sowage.

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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307148 - 07/21/14 06:02 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm surprised they waited this long. This is how they should respond each and every time a rocket is fired at them.



Every rocket launch fired against Israel is in response to something Israel did, which was in resonse to something Palestine did, which was in response to...

Neither side is ever willing to say "you got the last shot, not let's stop".




Actually Israel has done that many times.  The Hamas charter, the troglodytes who run the Gaza Strip, is dedicated to the destruction of Israel.  The Israelis gave the Gaza Strip that they won fair and square in a war back to the monsters.  What did they get?  Rockets and suicide bombers.  That is why there is an embargo.  Do you know who else has closed the Gaza border?  Egypt.




You don't "win" land in a war. Especially in 1968.




ORLY?  Who says?  North Vietnam won South Vietnam.

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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20307159 - 07/21/14 06:04 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm surprised they waited this long. This is how they should respond each and every time a rocket is fired at them.



Every rocket launch fired against Israel is in response to something Israel did, which was in resonse to something Palestine did, which was in response to...

Neither side is ever willing to say "you got the last shot, not let's stop".




Actually Israel has done that many times.  The Hamas charter, the troglodytes who run the Gaza Strip, is dedicated to the destruction of Israel.  The Israelis gave the Gaza Strip that they won fair and square in a war back to the monsters.  What did they get?  Rockets and suicide bombers.  That is why there is an embargo.  Do you know who else has closed the Gaza border?  Egypt.




Maybe you are right. Maybe I just don't trust Jews. Sure don't trust Islam either. Or fanatic wanna bes. I think both countries could make some nice farm land that could feed some other countries if both countries were removed from existence

Maybe I'm just pessimistic. I'm just happy Oblunder hasn't tried to aid one side yet like we did against Gadaffi. Let the fuckers fight their own wars, if they are so damn tough


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20307162 - 07/21/14 06:04 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

The Israel defending itself meme is fucking ridiculous.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307167 - 07/21/14 06:05 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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It's what you called it. Logic.

No rockets into Israel, no Israel bombs or troops into Gaza. It's quite a simple concept. How is it that it escapes you?




Like I said, of the dead, who were Hamas?

How are the Palestinians supposed to thwart a terrorist organization if the USA can't even do it?




I don't know how many were Hamas. With their propensity to use human shields there were probably more than a few civilians. Again, that's on Hamas.

The people of Gaza can do more than the US, as they live there. The IDF accepts phone calls and tips. They can't do it alone, but they aren't alone. Perhaps they shouldn't have voted Hamas into power.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20307179 - 07/21/14 06:07 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Actually Israel has done that many times.  The Hamas charter, the troglodytes who run the Gaza Strip, is dedicated to the destruction of Israel.  The Israelis gave the Gaza Strip that they won fair and square in a war back to the monsters.  What did they get?  Rockets and suicide bombers.  That is why there is an embargo.  Do you know who else has closed the Gaza border?  Egypt.




You don't "win" land in a war. Especially in 1968.




ORLY?  Who says?  North Vietnam won South Vietnam.

Go away.  You have almost no understanding of history at all.




They didn't win shit. There was a civil war, which ended in reunification. North Vietnam wasn't a stateless people that Britain decided to give a chunk of land to out of sympathy.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20307192 - 07/21/14 06:09 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Every rocket launch fired against Israel is in response to something Israel did, which was in resonse to something Palestine did, which was in response to...

Neither side is ever willing to say "you got the last shot, not let's stop".




Actually Israel has done that many times.  The Hamas charter, the troglodytes who run the Gaza Strip, is dedicated to the destruction of Israel.  The Israelis gave the Gaza Strip that they won fair and square in a war back to the monsters.  What did they get?  Rockets and suicide bombers.  That is why there is an embargo.  Do you know who else has closed the Gaza border?  Egypt.




You don't "win" land in a war. Especially in 1968.




ORLY?  Who says?  North Vietnam won South Vietnam.

Go away.  You have almost no understanding of history at all.




One of the biggest examples of fucked up United States politics. We helped the south Vietnamese capture over 3/4 of Vietnam before North Vietnam bought tanks from Russia and won back the entire country. Communist Nazis, but then
what did that make us? Democracy isn't fought in voting polls with guns and violence amongst the voters


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
    #20307197 - 07/21/14 06:10 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't have a problem with Israel "grabbing" land they've won in a war they didn't start. To the victor goes the spoils.

I do think that building settlements there at this time is astonishingly stupid and short-sighted.

The land is theirs to do with as they wish. Unfortunately, what they wish is at this time... stupid.

If the other countries didn't want to lose their land, they shouldn't have started a war they were incapable of winning.




They didn't start it? Who does Gaza belong to? Technically they are in a separate continent. Do they govern themselves? Or does Israel govern them? They have pretty much no freedom. None the less they are a bunch of militant jihadist fanatics. None the less this whole conflict started in the 40s over racial and religious hatred.

You think one side is ultimately wrong and the other right? So which is better? Jews or Arabs? That's what started it. Now they are idiots fighting.




No, they didn't start the war that led to them controlling the lands adjacent to Israel. Egypt, Jordan and Syria did. The Israelis just won. Quickly and decisively. To the victors go the spoils. So they owned Gaza, until they gave it back.

The Gazans govern themselves, though poorly. Their lack of freedom is a result of their actions.

Which side is better? The ones that don't fire unguided rockets at civilians.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307198 - 07/21/14 06:11 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

But hey, Palestine never existed right?!

The British didn't control it, and didn't promise to return governance to Palestine. Right?

The most storied city in world history was just a vacant ghost town 50 years ago, right?


But MY history is lacking....:rolleyes:

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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307211 - 07/21/14 06:14 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Besides, did Israel get Palestine in the first place fair and square? No.




Sure they did. The UN gave it to them. The Israelis played by the rules and at least half the countries of the world seem to have agreed or the vote would have ended differently.

Now, I'm no fan of the UN but they are the body the world settled on and as such they did what they did. I'd rather the UN went away but that's unlikely.

In the meantime the savages need to stop shooting rockets into Israel.


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    #20307230 - 07/21/14 06:16 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Maybe I just don't trust Jews. Sure don't trust Islam either. Or fanatic wanna bes.




You don't have to trust any of them. All it takes is looking at which side is shooting unguided rockets at civilians.


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    #20307241 - 07/21/14 06:18 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Besides, did Israel get Palestine in the first place fair and square? No.




Sure they did. The UN gave it to them. The Israelis played by the rules and at least half the countries of the world seem to have agreed or the vote would have ended differently.

Now, I'm no fan of the UN but they are the body the world settled on and as such they did what they did. I'd rather the UN went away but that's unlikely.

In the meantime the savages need to stop shooting rockets into Israel.




So basically: "The UN makes a ton of mistakes, but this particular mistake helps my argument so they did the right thing."


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307270 - 07/21/14 06:24 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't say they did the right thing. I think giving away land you don't control is wrong.

I merely pointed out that it was done by a body the world chose to put in place.

You fail miserably at putting words in my mouth. Instead of making such a fool of yourself, perhaps try... asking.

Read the words. They mean what they say, not what you wish them to.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20307272 - 07/21/14 06:25 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Maybe I just don't trust Jews. Sure don't trust Islam either. Or fanatic wanna bes.




You don't have to trust any of them. All it takes is looking at which side is shooting unguided rockets at civilians.




Oh sorry I was wrong. One side is shooting unguided rockets at civilians and hitting civilians. The other is dropping unguided bombs and hitting civilians. While we are arguing, I want to ask this

This is war. Killing people. Who is right or wrong? I thought there were no civilians in war. You beat em or join em or you are in the way?

Otherwise if attacking civilians is wrong, how can you pick a side?


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    #20307279 - 07/21/14 06:26 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Gaddafi?  That was fucking France's doing, Bernard Henri-Levy in particular.  Do you know what those guys who got killed in Benghazi were most likely doing?  Running arms to the Syrian opposition.  There is only shit in Syria.  Both sides suck.


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    #20307289 - 07/21/14 06:28 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Maybe I just don't trust Jews. Sure don't trust Islam either. Or fanatic wanna bes.




You don't have to trust any of them. All it takes is looking at which side is shooting unguided rockets at civilians.




Oh sorry I was wrong. One side is shooting unguided rockets at civilians and hitting civilians. The other is dropping unguided bombs and hitting civilians. While we are arguing, I want to ask this

This is war. Killing people. Who is right or wrong? I thought there were no civilians in war. You beat em or join em or you are in the way?

Otherwise if attacking civilians is wrong, how can you pick a side?




The Israelis go out of their way to warn civilians to get out.  Hamas fires rockets from hospitals, stores them in schools and tells its people to stay put so they can die for propaganda purposes.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
    #20307292 - 07/21/14 06:29 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Maybe I just don't trust Jews. Sure don't trust Islam either. Or fanatic wanna bes.




You don't have to trust any of them. All it takes is looking at which side is shooting unguided rockets at civilians.




Oh sorry I was wrong. One side is shooting unguided rockets at civilians and hitting civilians. The other is dropping unguided bombs and hitting civilians. While we are arguing, I want to ask this

This is war. Killing people. Who is right or wrong? I thought there were no civilians in war. You beat em or join em or you are in the way?

Otherwise if attacking civilians is wrong, how can you pick a side?




You're wrong again. One side is shooting unguided rockets while the other side is dropping guided bombs after warning civilians to clear the area.

Attacking civilians is wrong. I don't pick the side that does that, nor the other side. I merely recognize that one side is acting like savages in attempting to inflict civilian casualties while the other side goes above and beyond in attempting to minimize civilian casualties. It's a pretty clear difference.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20307302 - 07/21/14 06:32 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I didn't say they did the right thing. I think giving away land you don't control is wrong.

I merely pointed out that it was done by a body the world chose to put in place.

You fail miserably at putting words in my mouth. Instead of making such a fool of yourself, perhaps try... asking.

Read the words. They mean what they say, not what you wish them to.




So if giving it away was wrong, was it really fair and square?

Any more or less fair than annexing lands after war?


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20307305 - 07/21/14 06:32 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Gaddafi?  That was fucking France's doing, Bernard Henri-Levy in particular.  Do you know what those guys who got killed in Benghazi were most likely doing?  Running arms to the Syrian opposition.  There is only shit in Syria.  Both sides suck.




No shit. Obama assisting with a few air strikes is assistance too much. I emphasize, I am so happy we are not assisting in this battle. Staying the fuck out of it is Obamas smartest move. Send Kerry you punk.

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    #20307312 - 07/21/14 06:33 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Israel has guided missiles and, in the current conflict, has managed to kill over 100 times more civilians.


How can you honestly claim they're trying to avoid civilian casualties? Because their PR guy says so?


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    #20307320 - 07/21/14 06:35 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Israel has guided missiles and, in the current conflict, has managed to kill over 100 times more civilians.


How can you honestly claim they're trying to avoid civilian casualties? Because their PR guy says so?



Because Hamas is trying to maximize them for propaganda purposes and the useful idiots lap it up.


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    #20307324 - 07/21/14 06:36 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Maybe I just don't trust Jews. Sure don't trust Islam either. Or fanatic wanna bes.




You don't have to trust any of them. All it takes is looking at which side is shooting unguided rockets at civilians.




Oh sorry I was wrong. One side is shooting unguided rockets at civilians and hitting civilians. The other is dropping unguided bombs and hitting civilians. While we are arguing, I want to ask this

This is war. Killing people. Who is right or wrong? I thought there were no civilians in war. You beat em or join em or you are in the way?

Otherwise if attacking civilians is wrong, how can you pick a side?




The Israelis go out of their way to warn civilians to get out.  Hamas fires rockets from hospitals, stores them in schools and tells its people to stay put so they can die for propaganda purposes.




Out of their way? 30 seconds in advance is "out of their way"?

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    #20307333 - 07/21/14 06:38 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Israel has guided missiles and, in the current conflict, has managed to kill over 100 times more civilians.


How can you honestly claim they're trying to avoid civilian casualties? Because their PR guy says so?



Because Hamas is trying to maximize them for propaganda purposes and the useful idiots lap it up.




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Israel has guided missiles and, in the current conflict, has managed to kill over 100 times more civilians.


How can you honestly claim they're trying to avoid civilian casualties? Because their PR guy says so?




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    #20307358 - 07/21/14 06:43 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I didn't say they did the right thing. I think giving away land you don't control is wrong.

I merely pointed out that it was done by a body the world chose to put in place.

You fail miserably at putting words in my mouth. Instead of making such a fool of yourself, perhaps try... asking.

Read the words. They mean what they say, not what you wish them to.




So if giving it away was wrong, was it really fair and square?

Any more or less fair than annexing lands after war?




Fair and square? As far as it goes... yes. The world chose the body. The body made the decision. It's not the decision I'd have made but no-one asked me. Israel played by the rules agreed to. In that sense it doesn't get more fair.

If Israel won the land, it's theirs to do as they wish with. That's fair.


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    #20307366 - 07/21/14 06:44 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Israel has guided missiles and, in the current conflict, has managed to kill over 100 times more civilians.


How can you honestly claim they're trying to avoid civilian casualties? Because their PR guy says so?




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    #20307380 - 07/21/14 06:46 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Israel has guided missiles and, in the current conflict, has managed to kill over 100 times more civilians.


How can you honestly claim they're trying to avoid civilian casualties? Because their PR guy says so?




That they give the civilians warning makes it clear. Does Hamas give warning? Does Hamas try to minimize civilian casualties?

You have no way of knowing how many of those casualties are the result of civilians being used as human shields.


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    #20307386 - 07/21/14 06:46 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I didn't say they did the right thing. I think giving away land you don't control is wrong.

I merely pointed out that it was done by a body the world chose to put in place.

You fail miserably at putting words in my mouth. Instead of making such a fool of yourself, perhaps try... asking.

Read the words. They mean what they say, not what you wish them to.




So if giving it away was wrong, was it really fair and square?

Any more or less fair than annexing lands after war?




Fair and square? As far as it goes... yes. The world chose the body. The body made the decision. It's not the decision I'd have made but no-one asked me. Israel played by the rules agreed to. In that sense it doesn't get more fair.

If Israel won the land, it's theirs to do as they wish with. That's fair.




So every decision made by the UN is fair?


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20307394 - 07/21/14 06:47 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Israel has guided missiles and, in the current conflict, has managed to kill over 100 times more civilians.


How can you honestly claim they're trying to avoid civilian casualties? Because their PR guy says so?




That they give the civilians warning makes it clear. Does Hamas give warning? Does Hamas try to minimize civilian casualties?

You have no way of knowing how many of those casualties are the result of civilians being used as human shields.




And neither do you.

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    #20307402 - 07/21/14 06:49 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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The Ecstatic said:
Israel has guided missiles and, in the current conflict, has managed to kill over 100 times more civilians.


How can you honestly claim they're trying to avoid civilian casualties? Because their PR guy says so?



Because Hamas is trying to maximize them for propaganda purposes and the useful idiots lap it up.




How does that answer my question?




Because they warn them at all.  I have no idea where imacheval got his 30 seconds thing from
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/07/09/roof-knocking-the-israeli-mjilitarys-tactic-of-phoning-palestinians-it-is-about-to-bomb/

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“He asked for me by name. He said: ‘You have women and children in the house. Get out. You have five minutes before the rockets come,’ ” Kawarea said in an interview with The Post's William Booth.

She took her children and ran outside. A small rocket hit the house soon after, Kawarea said. It was apparently the final warning. Five minutes later, a larger missile hit, and the house was destroyed. According to Hamas, seven people, including three minors, were killed in the Israeli airstrike. The man the Israelis were aiming for was apparently not among those killed.





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    #20307430 - 07/21/14 06:55 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Yep and 7 innocent people died anyway. so obviously that tactic doesn't work.


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    #20307500 - 07/21/14 07:09 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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I didn't say they did the right thing. I think giving away land you don't control is wrong.

I merely pointed out that it was done by a body the world chose to put in place.

You fail miserably at putting words in my mouth. Instead of making such a fool of yourself, perhaps try... asking.

Read the words. They mean what they say, not what you wish them to.




So if giving it away was wrong, was it really fair and square?

Any more or less fair than annexing lands after war?




Fair and square? As far as it goes... yes. The world chose the body. The body made the decision. It's not the decision I'd have made but no-one asked me. Israel played by the rules agreed to. In that sense it doesn't get more fair.

If Israel won the land, it's theirs to do as they wish with. That's fair.




So every decision made by the UN is fair?




Do you have some kind of psychosis that causes you to attempt to put words in my mouth?


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    #20307506 - 07/21/14 07:10 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Yep and 7 innocent people died anyway. so obviously that tactic doesn't work.


Well, you tried.



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    #20307516 - 07/21/14 07:12 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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And neither do you.




Which is precisely why I didn't claim I did. Isn't it amazing how that works?


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That's my whole fucking point.




How odd. Your point comes across as Israel bad, Hamas good.


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    #20307546 - 07/21/14 07:18 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Do you have some kind of psychosis that causes you to attempt to put words in my mouth?




Maybe you should choose your words more carefully.


You said:


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Fair and square? As far as it goes... yes. The world chose the body. The body made the decision. It's not the decision I'd have made but no-one asked me. Israel played by the rules agreed to. In that sense it doesn't get more fair.





So if the world chose the body to make decisions and it makes them, you consider that fair. Right or wrong, they're fair.

But you apparently think only some of their decisions are fair...


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307561 - 07/21/14 07:22 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

My words were chosen carefully and well. I said exactly what I meant to say. Your inability to realize that is your issue. If I thought all UN decisions were fair I'd have said so.

Your putting words in my mouth appears to be a symptom of something. It's dishonest and more than a little pathetic.


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    #20307590 - 07/21/14 07:29 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

:lolsy:


So the creation of Israel on Palestinian was land was fair because the UN made the decision, but that doesn't mean the UN makes fair decisions.



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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307635 - 07/21/14 07:38 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I already did. Stop huffing.

As the world selected the body (the UN) and the UN made the decision, the decision was fair by the rules in place.

That doesn't translate to all the UN's decisions being fair. Do you make a fair choice / right decision every time? I know I don't.

I'd be embarrassed to have needed clarification for that. I'm surprised you're not.


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    #20307648 - 07/21/14 07:40 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

So if not all UN decisions are fair, what makes this one (besides your opinion)?


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    #20307659 - 07/21/14 07:41 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Second sentence in the prior post.


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    #20307682 - 07/21/14 07:45 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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As the world selected the body (the UN) and the UN made the decision, the decision was fair by the rules in place.




That doesn't answer my question at all.


How does that not apply to every UN decision? What makes Israel different?


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    #20307697 - 07/21/14 07:48 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

It completely answers your question.

As the world selected the body (the UN) and the UN made the decision, the decision was fair by the rules in place.


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    #20307698 - 07/21/14 07:48 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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:lolsy:


So the creation of Israel on Palestinian was land was fair because the UN made the decision, but that doesn't mean the UN makes fair decisions.



Please elaborate.



Every boundary in the mid east was drawn out of the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.  Every one.  The original boundary for Israel was insane

The UN has 56 Islamic members.  Please.  They are worse than useless on this issue.


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    #20307721 - 07/21/14 07:54 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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It completely answers your question.

As the world selected the body (the UN) and the UN made the decision, the decision was fair by the rules in place.




If the only prerequisite to a fair decision is that the UN makes it according to the rules, then all UN decisions based on the rules are fair.


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    #20307723 - 07/21/14 07:54 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

this is so off topic. Discussing if this war is fair or not based on boundaries taken in previous wars

:rolleyes:

amazing. You guys should all run for congress, you are all almost stupid enough almost smart enough to be members. Technical issues, most important aspect of life or death struggles


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    #20307733 - 07/21/14 07:56 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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It completely answers your question.

As the world selected the body (the UN) and the UN made the decision, the decision was fair by the rules in place.




If the only prerequisite to a fair decision is that the UN makes it according to the rules, then all UN decisions based on the rules are fair.




:zomgwtf:

you are going to clarify the UN agreeing with Israel on the war with Gaza correct?


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    #20307746 - 07/21/14 07:58 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

The only way you can justify the Hamas rocket fire is by de legitimizing the existence of Israel entirely.  The Hamas charter specifically calls for Israel's destruction.  It is their raison d'etre.


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    #20307753 - 07/21/14 08:00 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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It completely answers your question.

As the world selected the body (the UN) and the UN made the decision, the decision was fair by the rules in place.




If the only prerequisite to a fair decision is that the UN makes it according to the rules, then all UN decisions based on the rules are fair.




Yet that's not what you asked earlier. Here, let me help:

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So every decision made by the UN is fair?




http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20307386/vc/1#20307386


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    #20307822 - 07/21/14 08:13 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Care to give an example of a UN decision that was against the rules in place?


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    #20307823 - 07/21/14 08:14 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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The only way you can justify the Hamas rocket fire is by de legitimizing the existence of Israel entirely.  The Hamas charter specifically calls for Israel's destruction.  It is their raison d'etre.




How would a group of people in a city go about leaving the city and trading outside the city if the other body of government governing them even though they have their own government won't allow it and have guns to stop them?

Perhaps rocket bombing civilians is not the answer, but what is the answer? How can an economy grow if it is limited to trading outside of itself.

Let's say for example Gaza mines gold but cannot farm food or cannot irrigate or whatever just a fucking example I don't keep up with the damn economy in the middle east. Not letting them trade is the same as saying "starve to death"


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    #20307827 - 07/21/14 08:15 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

When we're discussing a subject that touches upon one... absolutely.


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    #20307858 - 07/21/14 08:23 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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The only way you can justify the Hamas rocket fire is by de legitimizing the existence of Israel entirely.  The Hamas charter specifically calls for Israel's destruction.  It is their raison d'etre.




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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
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    #20307914 - 07/21/14 08:33 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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The only way you can justify the Hamas rocket fire is by de legitimizing the existence of Israel entirely.  The Hamas charter specifically calls for Israel's destruction.  It is their raison d'etre.




How would a group of people in a city go about leaving the city and trading outside the city if the other body of government governing them even though they have their own government won't allow it and have guns to stop them

Perhaps rocket bombing civilians is not the answer, but what is the answer? How can an economy grow if it is limited to trading outside of itself.

Let's say for example Gaza mines gold but cannot farm food or cannot irrigate or whatever just a fucking example I don't keep up with the damn economy in the middle east. Not letting them trade is the same as saying "starve to death"




Not true at all and I will say this yet again.  They have a border with Egypt.  Egypt has shut that border just as tight as Israel.  Israel would have to be insane to allow these people to cross their border for any reason whatsoever.


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    #20307920 - 07/21/14 08:34 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/pics-thousands-march-for-gaza-1.1722241#.U83KXVFwqXo

care to see both sides of the fence?



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    #20307926 - 07/21/14 08:35 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I meant anyone in this thread


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    #20307988 - 07/21/14 08:45 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/pics-thousands-march-for-gaza-1.1722241#.U83KXVFwqXo

care to see both sides of the fence?



This is nothing new.  The world has no shortage of useful idiots.




useful idiot? Please define it for me. Check out Israels latest "non criminal" approach, bombing a hospital :clap:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/21/un-security-council-demands-gaza-cease-fire-stops-short-calling-for-israel/

"Israeli fighter planes hit homes and a high-rise tower in Gaza Monday and seven Israeli soldiers, including an officer, were killed in a firefight there as more violence overshadowed hope for peace negotiations.

Sirens wailed and loud explosions rocked the streets of Gaza as Israeli planes continued to strike homes and Hamas fired more rockets.

United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Cairo Monday for a new round of negotiations to end two weeks of deadly fighting.

Across Gaza, Israeli fighter planes hit homes and a high-rise tower, burying families in the rubble. The strike on the Gaza City tower brought down most of the building, killing 11 people -- including six members of the same family -- and wounding 40, said Palestinian health official Ashraf al-Kidra.

Israeli tanks, meanwhile, shelled a hospital in central Gaza, killing four people and wounding dozens as the daily death toll surpassed 100 for a second day. Israel said the shelling targeted rockets hidden near the compound, and accused militants of using civilians as shields."



LOOK WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO KILL YOU, CAN YOU NOT USE CIVILIANS AS SHIELDS IN YOUR HOSPITALS? IT'S NOT FAIR! WE WERE TRYING TO BLOW YOU UP AND YOUR MILITANT FRIENDS, NOT THE DAMN CIVILIANS IN THE HOSPITAL! WE ARE GOOD PEOPLE! REALLY


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
    #20308016 - 07/21/14 08:49 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

bummer though

"Kerry said Sunday that the U.S. supports the Egyptian proposal for a halt to the hostilities that Israel accepted and Hamas rejected last week."

just like the damn Arabs to bacha bazi their children and not give a shit about their own people in the name of suicide in the light of Jihad. But who really knows.... who fires first each time...... who really knows........


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20308300 - 07/21/14 09:35 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Neither side is ever willing to say "you got the last shot, not let's stop".



Actually Israel has done that many times.  The Israelis gave the Gaza Strip that they won fair and square in a war back to the monsters.  What did they get?  Rockets and suicide bombers.



When Israel gave the Gaza Strip to Palestine, they accelerated their land grabs into the West Bank.  Gaza was a smokescreen.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20309999 - 07/22/14 07:38 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Like I said: two sides terrible monsters in a horrible war. I think its obvious Hamas is up against a force they have no chance against. They do not have tanks. They are fanatic Islamics, but whatever its all murder. Shelling a hospital wtf then we have Kerry the diplomat headed there. Maybe he will get a shoe thrown at him


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
    #20310032 - 07/22/14 07:49 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I wonder how things will proceed now that Israel has invaded the Gaza strip. Hamas has no chance, but how far and long will they fight back?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/19/bombing-and-invading-gaza-is-israel-s-peace-plan.html


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    #20311423 - 07/22/14 03:22 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Neither side is ever willing to say "you got the last shot, not let's stop".



Actually Israel has done that many times.  The Israelis gave the Gaza Strip that they won fair and square in a war back to the monsters.  What did they get?  Rockets and suicide bombers.



When Israel gave the Gaza Strip to Palestine, they accelerated their land grabs into the West Bank.  Gaza was a smokescreen.



They own the West Bank.  They can't make any more land grabs there since it is theirs.  I also believe that your assertion that there was an acceleration is false.  Did you know that they also dragged some settlers out of their houses?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israeli-settlers-evacuated-from-west-bank-outpost-following-court-order/2012/09/02/e2a65fa2-f528-11e1-86a5-1f5431d87dfd_story.html

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Migron, considered the flagship of about 100 wildcat outposts built by settlers on West Bank hills, was ordered removed by the Israeli Supreme Court because it was built without official permits on land privately owned by Palestinians.

After years of legal wrangling and repeated delays by the Israeli government, the hilltop community of about 50 religiously observant families living in mobile homes was emptied with virtually no resistance from the settlers, other than a few holdouts who had to be carried off by police.




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    #20311601 - 07/22/14 04:21 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I wonder what Israel would do if Palestinians started illegally stealing Israeli land and bulldozing Israeli homes?

I would assume they would attack and attack hard. Zappa and Luvdem would fully support this of course. Why not when the boot is on the the other foot? Palestinian land is stolen regularly in flagrant abuse of international law and the international community does fuck all to stop it....is this not provocation?


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    #20311730 - 07/22/14 04:53 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Never change. I appreciate the laughs for your simplistic positions.


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    #20311771 - 07/22/14 05:03 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

You sre obviously losing your memory in your old age Luvedem. But I can take you to school one more time.

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    #20311794 - 07/22/14 05:07 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

You don't get it gazzbut.  Jews can do no wrong.


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    #20311808 - 07/22/14 05:13 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Hmmmmm...But that cant be the case Shins because there are a large amount of Jews who do not support Israel's actions at all and are in fact horrified by them...Ahhh hold on, what Luvdem and Zappa must mean is that Zionists can do no wrong!


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    #20311899 - 07/22/14 05:29 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I wonder what Israel would do if Palestinians started illegally stealing Israeli land and bulldozing Israeli homes?

I would assume they would attack and attack hard. Zappa and Luvdem would fully support this of course. Why not when the boot is on the the other foot? Palestinian land is stolen regularly in flagrant abuse of international law and the international community does fuck all to stop it....is this not provocation?



Palestinian land is not being stolen.  Certainly not in Gaza where all the trouble is coming from.  The West Bank is Israeli conquered territory.  It belongs to Israel just as much as California belongs to the US, alas.


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    #20311905 - 07/22/14 05:30 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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You don't get it gazzbut.  Jews can do no wrong.



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    #20312163 - 07/22/14 06:16 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I wonder what Israel would do if Palestinians started illegally stealing Israeli land and bulldozing Israeli homes?

I would assume they would attack and attack hard. Zappa and Luvdem would fully support this of course. Why not when the boot is on the the other foot? Palestinian land is stolen regularly in flagrant abuse of international law and the international community does fuck all to stop it....is this not provocation?



Palestinian land is not being stolen.  Certainly not in Gaza where all the trouble is coming from.  The West Bank is Israeli conquered territory.  It belongs to Israel just as much as California belongs to the US, alas.




there are not two separate governments governing the us and one governing California. California state government is a sub-government of the us government, it is simply a more local branch for the state of California which is united.

Gaza is self governed, they have their own weapons, etc. Personally I hope Israel ends this toying game letting Gaza govern itself and just bombing hospitals and shit when Gaza sends some random rockets. Might as well just do a full invasion and remove Hamas. What does the UN have to say? Fucking where is Obama to tell the UN what to do?

Where is George Bush? God dammit, we are involved in this. I don't want to admit it, but nothing happens without the US say so, practically. I hate war, and take overs and removal of rights from citizens, but would like to stop seeing hospitals get bombed. Cmon Israel, hurry up and take over Gaza. This whole stupid mess is because of Israel irresponsibility. They think war is fun. The middle east is a playground for war man

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    #20312232 - 07/22/14 06:26 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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You sre obviously losing your memory in your old age Luvedem. But I can take you to school one more time.

Perhaps you would care to explain why illegally occupying land would not be considered provacation?




In order to take me one more time, you'd have had to take me the first time.

Are you referring to the land they won during the war? To the victor goes the spoils.


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    #20312244 - 07/22/14 06:28 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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You don't get it gazzbut.  Jews can do no wrong.




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    #20312288 - 07/22/14 06:37 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I wish the death toll was higher on both sides.  I guess I'll take what I can get.


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    #20312374 - 07/22/14 06:55 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Not conquered, occupied. It is against international law to build settlements in occupied territory.




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    #20314110 - 07/23/14 01:38 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Never change. I appreciate the laughs for your simplistic positions.




This would imply that your position is complex and nuanced would it not? But it turns out to be:

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To the victor goes the spoils.




Laughable as always.

Anyway, the majority of the international community does not refer to the land occupied since 1967 as "won" or "conquered" it is considered to be an occupation and as such it is not permitted to move your own civilian population into permanent settlements.

The international stance on this matter goes back to 1979 with UN resolution 446 so I'm surprised this fact seems to have escaped your knowledge? I'm sure that now it's been pointed out to you your position will change, as I remember you were such a stickler for the enforcement of UN resolutions when it came to bombing the hell out of  Iraq.

Or perhaps you are fully aware, its just that when it comes to bombing Iraq then UN resolutions have validity, in your mind, but when it comes to protecting Palestinians then UN resolutions can be ignored? It almost seems that you simply side with the rich white guys and support whatever they do. But surely that cant be right as it would make you a hypocritical racist?


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It was conquered and then ceded by the previous ruler, Jordan




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But surely that cant be right as it would make you a hypocritical racist?




That's correct. It's not right.

I neither agree or disagree with the UN 100% of the time.

You never fail to amuse. You should learn nuance.


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I neither agree or disagree with the UN 100% of the time.




Exactly and this is the problem. Certain elements are willing to use the UN to further their own agenda but then ignore it as soon as it does not suit them. Surely you can see this is no way to come to any meaningful international accord?

But forgetting UN resolutions for the moment, Israel are in contravention of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Sadly this is another aspect of the "International community" which is  ignored when inconvenient.

Do you have the ability to see this from both sides? Can you put yourself in the shoes of a Palestinian who has seen Israel flaunt international law over decades with no real repercussions from the rest of the world, who has seen Israel blockade his people into an open air prison while keeping them on the brink of poverty, who has seen family members killed and his home destroyed to allow Israelis to build on the land? Can you honestly say that put into this position where it seems that your plight is ignored and international justice is seemingly not applicable to you that you would not be sorely tempted to lash out at Israel in anyway you could? If not, please tell me how you would go about achieving peace for the Palestinians because when the Palestinians are not firing rockets the settlements continue to be built.


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    #20314651 - 07/23/14 06:49 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I neither agree or disagree with the UN 100% of the time.




Exactly and this is the problem. Certain elements are willing to use the UN to further their own agenda but then ignore it as soon as it does not suit them. Surely you can see this is no way to come to any meaningful international accord?

But forgetting UN resolutions for the moment, Israel are in contravention of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Sadly this is another aspect of the "International community" which is  ignored when inconvenient.

Do you have the ability to see this from both sides? Can you put yourself in the shoes of a Palestinian who has seen Israel flaunt international law over decades with no real repercussions from the rest of the world, Who has seen Israel blockade his people into an open air prison while keeping them on the brink of poverty. Who has seen family members killed and his home destroyed to allow Israelis to build on the land. Can you honestly say that put into this position where it seems that your plight is ignored and international justice is seemingly not applicable to you can you seriously tell me that you would not be sorely tempted to lash out at Israel in anyway you could? If not, please tell me how you would go about achieving peace for the Palestinians because when they Palestinians are not firing rockets the settlements continue to be built.




they are not arguing rationally anymore, they are suggesting that there is no UN and Gaza is not self governed, that Israel owns Gaza. They are not arguing a technical point of view anymore, but a moral one, based on their own morality, their morals of war. In which case moot argument. There are no morals to war, it is kill or be killed.

However, in the UN rules, members such as Egypt and Palestine, may open an investigation of Israel for violations of human rights by committed by Israel:

"Palestinians call for investigation into "all violations" of human rights and humanitarian law that they say have been committed by Israel.
Israel reacted angrily to accusations by the top human rights official in the United Nations who said that it may have committed war crimes by killing civilians and shelling houses and hospitals during its two-week-old offensive in the Gaza Strip.

UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay, opening an emergency debate at the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva, also condemned the indiscriminate firing of rockets and mortars by Palestinian militants into Israel.

Citing cases Israeli air strikes and shelling hitting houses and hospitals in the coastal enclave, she said: "These are just a few examples where there seems to be a strong possibility that international humanitarian law has been violated, in a manner that could amount to war crimes.”

"Every one of these incidents must be properly and independently investigated," Pillay said in some of her strongest comments on the conflict.

The Geneva rights forum convened the special one-day session at the request of the Palestinians, Egypt and Pakistan."

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    #20314676 - 07/23/14 07:02 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Indeed. Sadly they subscribe to the might is right philosophy which, in terms of evolution, is barely a step up from hurling your own feces around when angered.


Quite ridiculously the Sasson report, which was published by the Israeli government themselves in 2005 "concluded that Israeli state bodies had been discreetly diverting millions of shekels to build West Bank settlements and outposts that were illegal under Israeli law."

This is not even international law we are talking about here but Israeli law! The same wiki article mentions a report from an Israeli NGO, Peace Now, that concludes at least 24% of the land which settlements have been built on is private property owned by Palestinians. I know how sacrosanct private property is to the likes of Luvdem and Zappa but you can be sure that they find someway of justifying this...its pathetic really.


Unfortunately, as long as the US is dependent on Israel being a well armed and friendly presence so close to oil fields then the Palestinians seem to have little chance of justice. God help the Israelis when green energy kicks in within the next 20 years or so though....


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    #20314740 - 07/23/14 07:27 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

God won't help them, why would he?


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    #20314769 - 07/23/14 07:39 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

So do you agree with the UN 100% of the time?

Also, I do see it from both sides. I've stated the Israelis are simply rubbing salt in the wounds by continuing to build settlements. They have the right but that doesn't make it the smart choice.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20306996#20306996

However, when unguided rockets are fired into a country, that country has a right to respond as they see fit. Israel has shown great restraint with their prior responses. I certainly understand the end of that restraint. When one "side" uses unguided rockets and detonates bombs in public places it's not hard to understand that the ones being attacked will eventually tire of it. Hamas is responsible for Gazas misery.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20314984 - 07/23/14 08:40 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

How is Hamas responsible for Gaza's misery when Fatah was doing the same shit before Hamas even existed?


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    #20315014 - 07/23/14 08:52 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

It's all part of the same paragraph. Here, I'll copy and paste it so you don't have to expend the tremendous amount of effort required to scroll up.

Of course, you'll have to expend the effort to actually read the post. Then of course there's the need to comprehend what you read but I can't help you with that.

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However, when unguided rockets are fired into a country, that country has a right to respond as they see fit. Israel has shown great restraint with their prior responses. I certainly understand the end of that restraint. When one "side" uses unguided rockets and detonates bombs in public places it's not hard to understand that the ones being attacked will eventually tire of it. Hamas is responsible for Gazas misery.




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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20315047 - 07/23/14 09:01 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Blatantly ignoring my question reposting something I have already read.  All while making snide remarks about my inability to comprehend what you're posting.  It's not that I don't comprehend your post, it's that I don't comprehend how you are blaming this solely on Hamas.

Fatah and Hamas are "unified" now.  Either way, Fatah has been doing the same shit for longer than Hamas.  This is a religious war battling over their supposed holy sites, always has been, always will be.  Like I said earlier, it's a shame both sides haven't suffered more casualties.


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    #20315221 - 07/23/14 09:54 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

The answer to your question was in both posts. It wasn't ignored. Your inability to grasp it is your issue.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20315251 - 07/23/14 10:08 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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The answer to your question was in both posts. It wasn't ignored. Your inability to grasp it is your issue.




I don't think anyone ever grasps what you are saying. He just said Hamas is unified with.... :facepalm:........ You know what? Nevermind. You might as well just say "I am not going to address your question" to him. Forget it


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    #20315256 - 07/23/14 10:10 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Why would I say I'm not going to address what was already clearly addressed?


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    #20315339 - 07/23/14 10:36 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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They have the right but that doesn't make it the smart choice.





I'm afraid this is not "seeing it from both sides". This is simply thinking the side you support should handle themselves in a different fashion. You have no empathy for the Palestinians whatsoever.

Did you take a look at the link to the Sasson report? Care to explain how you ignore the fact that a report published by the Israeli government themselves states that the settlements are illegal?


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: GazzBut]
    #20315369 - 07/23/14 10:45 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Isn't it weird how only the people who agree with lds are able to comprehend him?


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: GazzBut]
    #20315384 - 07/23/14 10:50 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

If you say so. I've been quite clear that it's the firing of the unguided rockets into civilian centers that I have a problem with.

But, I suspect you already realize that.

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Frankly, I wouldn't care if the Earth opened up and swallowed that entire region but one side is clearly the aggressor.




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    #20315459 - 07/23/14 11:13 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Any thoughts on the Sasson report?


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    #20315507 - 07/23/14 11:27 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Didn't read it. Does it relate to the launching of unguided rockets into population centers?


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    #20315765 - 07/23/14 12:52 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Priceless. I did tell you I would take you to school didnt I?


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    #20315805 - 07/23/14 01:04 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Yes. When will that be occurring?

I guess it has nothing to do with the launching of unguided rockets.


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    #20315821 - 07/23/14 01:11 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

A few posts ago you mentioned that Israel had the right to settle in the the west bank but now you don't want to talk about it? Why is that?


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    #20315927 - 07/23/14 01:42 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

It's déjà vu all over again!

Odd how the only time Gazzbut comes out of hibernation is when the Pallies get over-exuberant with their launching of unguided missiles into civilian areas.



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    #20315963 - 07/23/14 01:51 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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A few posts ago you mentioned that Israel had the right to settle in the the west bank but now you don't want to talk about it? Why is that?




On what page are the unguided rockets mentioned in the report?


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    #20316005 - 07/23/14 02:02 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Lets cut the crap, You have read the link but because it destroys your ridiculous argument you are now pretending you havent read it and that the scope of the debate is solely limited to unguided rockets. Anyone with half a brain can see through your childish bullshit.


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    #20316010 - 07/23/14 02:03 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Nope. Didn't read it.

Let us know when your half brain catches up.


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    #20316034 - 07/23/14 02:11 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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It was conquered and then ceded by the previous ruler, Jordan




So, in your mind, the Gaza and the West Bank belong to Israel and the international community can go fuck themselves?




Are you incredibly slow or incredibly ignorant?  Israel gave the Gaza Strip away and left entirely almost a decade ago.  They also gave away the Sinai.  Anything they decide to keep from their conquest is theirs.  Most of the international community consists of 56 muslim nations and a huge portion of Europe that was complicit in killing Jews en masse not that long ago and would probably like to see more of it.  This conflict has nothing to do with the West Bank

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    #20316035 - 07/23/14 02:12 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Also, I do see it from both sides. I've stated the Israelis are simply rubbing salt in the wounds by continuing to build settlements. They have the right but that doesn't make it the smart choice.






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    #20316047 - 07/23/14 02:14 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Indeed. Sadly they subscribe to the might is right philosophy which, in terms of evolution, is barely a step up from hurling your own feces around when angered.


Quite ridiculously the Sasson report, which was published by the Israeli government themselves in 2005 "concluded that Israeli state bodies had been discreetly diverting millions of shekels to build West Bank settlements and outposts that were illegal under Israeli law."

This is not even international law we are talking about here but Israeli law! The same wiki article mentions a report from an Israeli NGO, Peace Now, that concludes at least 24% of the land which settlements have been built on is private property owned by Palestinians. I know how sacrosanct private property is to the likes of Luvdem and Zappa but you can be sure that they find someway of justifying this...its pathetic really.


Unfortunately, as long as the US is dependent on Israel being a well armed and friendly presence so close to oil fields then the Palestinians seem to have little chance of justice. God help the Israelis when green energy kicks in within the next 20 years or so though....




http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israeli-settlers-evacuated-from-west-bank-outpost-following-court-order/2012/09/02/e2a65fa2-f528-11e1-86a5-1f5431d87dfd_story.html ; The US does not need Israel to secure access to oil from the mid east.  All it needs to secure that is money.  It also has enough of its own if the enviroweenies would shut the fuck up with their spurious claims.


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    #20316078 - 07/23/14 02:20 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:

Also, I do see it from both sides. I've stated the Israelis are simply rubbing salt in the wounds by continuing to build settlements. They have the right but that doesn't make it the smart choice.






You were happy to talk about building settlements here...why the sudden change?




I've said what I had to say on the subject. I have nothing new to add.

Now... the report page where they discuss unguided rockets from Gaza striking Israel?


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    #20316085 - 07/23/14 02:21 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Israel gave the Gaza Strip away and left entirely almost a decade ago.  They also gave away the Sinai.




Israel forcibly removed settlers but Gaza remains firmly under the Israeli jackboot.

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  Anything they decide to keep from their conquest is theirs.




Please outline which international law this opinion is based on?

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Most of the international community consists of 56 muslim nations and a huge portion of Europe that was complicit in killing Jews en masse not that long ago and would probably like to see more of it.




So international law can be ignored because, in your warped mind, the world is anti-semitic?

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    #20316106 - 07/23/14 02:23 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Now... the report page where they discuss unguided rockets from Gaza striking Israel?




Why do you keep asking that? Where did I say the report had anything to  do with unguided missiles?

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    #20316140 - 07/23/14 02:30 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Israel gave the Gaza Strip away and left entirely almost a decade ago.  They also gave away the Sinai.




Israel forcibly removed settlers but Gaza remains firmly under the Israeli jackboot.




How so?  Israel has no presence there.  Gaza has a a border with Egypt.  Why don't you say they are under Egypt's jackboot?
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Anything they decide to keep from their conquest is theirs.




Please outline which international law this opinion is based on?




The same law that keeps California a part of America
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Most of the international community consists of 56 muslim nations and a huge portion of Europe that was complicit in killing Jews en masse not that long ago and would probably like to see more of it.




So international law can be ignored because, in your warped mind, the world is anti-semitic?




What international law precisely do you think compels Israel to give back territory it conquered in a defensive war and that was ceded by the former owner and what makes you think there is any jurisdiction.  Please, I would love to send California back to Mexico.
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This conflict has nothing to do with the West Bank




Dont be fucking stupid.




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    #20316151 - 07/23/14 02:33 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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The same law that keeps California a part of America





What about the Fourth Geneva Convention, countless UN resolutions, The Sasson report - All of these state the settlements are illegal and not the spoils of conquest. These are all wrong?


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    #20316166 - 07/23/14 02:35 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I keep asking that because it's been my issue with Hamas from the beginning. If that hasn't been clear to you you either aren't as sharp as you give yourself credit for being or you're being deliberately obtuse. If Hamas wants to attack the Israeli military, I don't give two shits.

My issue is the unguided rockets fired into population centers. As long as that's happening Israel has the right to defend themselves and retaliate. (The same applies to the fuck-wits blowing up civilians with their strap-on bombs.)

If there's no discussion of that in the report there's little to no chance I'll ever read it.


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    #20316202 - 07/23/14 02:41 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Your head is shoved so far up your arse its a small wonder you can still breathe.

1) You stated that Israel have the right to build settlements in Iraq
2) I provided a link regarding a report which states even the Israelis think they do not have this right.
3) You have no answer to this so you are trying to change the subject.

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    #20316211 - 07/23/14 02:43 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Your head is shoved so far up your arse its a small wonder you can still breathe.

1) You stated that Israel have the right to build settlements in Iraq
2) I provided a link regarding a report which states even the Israelis think they do not have this right.
3) You have no answer to this so you are trying to change the subject.

Fucking moron.




No, my subject just differs from your.

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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: GazzBut]
    #20316215 - 07/23/14 02:44 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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The same law that keeps California a part of America





What about the Fourth Geneva Convention, countless UN resolutions, The Sasson report - All of these state the settlements are illegal and not the spoils of conquest. These are all wrong?




I already responded to the Sasson report, the Israelis have removed settlements they deem illegal, the fourth Geneva Convention does not apply and what UN resolutions do you think are binding when the UN is made up of 56 Muslim nations and a whole bunch of Jew hating Europeans?  If it gets through the Security Council call me.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20316228 - 07/23/14 02:46 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

luvdemshrooms said:

Also, I do see it from both sides. I've stated the Israelis are simply rubbing salt in the wounds by continuing to build settlements. They have the right but that doesn't make it the smart choice.


Sasson report says


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    #20316241 - 07/23/14 02:48 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I already responded to the Sasson report, the Israelis have removed settlements they deem illegal




Source?

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the fourth Geneva Convention does not apply




Source?

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what UN resolutions do you think are binding when the UN is made up of 56 Muslim nations and a whole bunch of Jew hating Europeans?




Racist prick.


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    #20316246 - 07/23/14 02:49 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Once again, I responded to that with a link to the Israel government evicting people from those settlements.  Are you well?  The Sasson report does not say that all Jewish settlements in the West Bank are illegal.  Or couldn't you read that as well?


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    #20316249 - 07/23/14 02:50 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

What I said is easily found in the thread. But hey, at least no flames this time. That's a step up.

Good for you.


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    #20316253 - 07/23/14 02:50 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Racist prick.




You're quite angry when things don't go your way.


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    #20316265 - 07/23/14 02:52 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I already responded to the Sasson report, the Israelis have removed settlements they deem illegal




Source?



http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israeli-settlers-evacuated-from-west-bank-outpost-following-court-order/2012/09/02/e2a65fa2-f528-11e1-86a5-1f5431d87dfd_story.html
Quote:



Quote:

the fourth Geneva Convention does not apply




Source?




http://www.mythsandfacts.org/article_view.asp?articleID=255
Quote:



Quote:

what UN resolutions do you think are binding when the UN is made up of 56 Muslim nations and a whole bunch of Jew hating Europeans?




Racist prick.




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    #20316332 - 07/23/14 03:05 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Indeed. Sadly they subscribe to the might is right philosophy which, in terms of evolution, is barely a step up from hurling your own feces around when angered.


Quite ridiculously the Sasson report, which was published by the Israeli government themselves in 2005 "concluded that Israeli state bodies had been discreetly diverting millions of shekels to build West Bank settlements and outposts that were illegal under Israeli law."

This is not even international law we are talking about here but Israeli law! The same wiki article mentions a report from an Israeli NGO, Peace Now, that concludes at least 24% of the land which settlements have been built on is private property owned by Palestinians. I know how sacrosanct private property is to the likes of Luvdem and Zappa but you can be sure that they find someway of justifying this...its pathetic really.


Unfortunately, as long as the US is dependent on Israel being a well armed and friendly presence so close to oil fields then the Palestinians seem to have little chance of justice. God help the Israelis when green energy kicks in within the next 20 years or so though....




"the US is dependent on Israel being well armed and friendly presence so close to oil fields"

Give us a break, total nonsense. :picard:


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    #20316789 - 07/23/14 04:55 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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GazzBut said:
Indeed. Sadly they subscribe to the might is right philosophy which, in terms of evolution, is barely a step up from hurling your own feces around when angered.


Quite ridiculously the Sasson report, which was published by the Israeli government themselves in 2005 "concluded that Israeli state bodies had been discreetly diverting millions of shekels to build West Bank settlements and outposts that were illegal under Israeli law."

This is not even international law we are talking about here but Israeli law! The same wiki article mentions a report from an Israeli NGO, Peace Now, that concludes at least 24% of the land which settlements have been built on is private property owned by Palestinians. I know how sacrosanct private property is to the likes of Luvdem and Zappa but you can be sure that they find someway of justifying this...its pathetic really.


Unfortunately, as long as the US is dependent on Israel being a well armed and friendly presence so close to oil fields then the Palestinians seem to have little chance of justice. God help the Israelis when green energy kicks in within the next 20 years or so though....




"the US is dependent on Israel being well armed and friendly presence so close to oil fields"

Give us a break, total nonsense. :picard:




So geopolitics is nonsense?

Better start spreading the word, the leaders of the world think otherwise.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: GazzBut]
    #20316928 - 07/23/14 05:22 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
This conflict has nothing to do with the West Bank



Dont be fucking stupid.



No kidding.  :shake:


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20317000 - 07/23/14 05:33 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Serious criticism from US in UN meetings about Israels wreckless behavior as possible war crimes, killing children on a beach and shelling a hospital. Apparently it takes about 2000 rockets fired by Gaza to kill 2 people.

Israel seems to question Obama on "what they should do" in which he seems to "have no immediate answer"

http://time.com/3023645/obama-israel-gaza-casualties/

(:rolleyes: like a murderer asking another murderer what course of action should be taken)

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    #20317103 - 07/23/14 05:50 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Stop settlements and end the blockade would be good for having hamas not fire rockets.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20317150 - 07/23/14 05:59 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

GazzBut said:
Indeed. Sadly they subscribe to the might is right philosophy which, in terms of evolution, is barely a step up from hurling your own feces around when angered.


Quite ridiculously the Sasson report, which was published by the Israeli government themselves in 2005 "concluded that Israeli state bodies had been discreetly diverting millions of shekels to build West Bank settlements and outposts that were illegal under Israeli law."

This is not even international law we are talking about here but Israeli law! The same wiki article mentions a report from an Israeli NGO, Peace Now, that concludes at least 24% of the land which settlements have been built on is private property owned by Palestinians. I know how sacrosanct private property is to the likes of Luvdem and Zappa but you can be sure that they find someway of justifying this...its pathetic really.


Unfortunately, as long as the US is dependent on Israel being a well armed and friendly presence so close to oil fields then the Palestinians seem to have little chance of justice. God help the Israelis when green energy kicks in within the next 20 years or so though....




"the US is dependent on Israel being well armed and friendly presence so close to oil fields"

Give us a break, total nonsense. :picard:




So geopolitics is nonsense?

Better start spreading the word, the leaders of the world think otherwise.




He's insinuating that Israel is "guarding" the oil fields of the Middle East and the US is dependent on this service, I would like to see evidence of that claim.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Shins]
    #20317160 - 07/23/14 06:01 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Stop settlements and end the blockade would be good for having hamas not fire rockets.




Not killing innocent civilians would be enough for decent humans.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20317301 - 07/23/14 06:34 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Shins said:
Stop settlements and end the blockade would be good for having hamas not fire rockets.




Not killing innocent civilians would be enough for decent humans.



Those are both good.  Now who will stop first?  Neither likely will.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20317402 - 07/23/14 06:54 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

It would seem not killing should take priority. I'm stunned I should have even had to say it.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: GazzBut]
    #20318146 - 07/23/14 08:38 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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GazzBut said:
Your head is shoved so far up your arse its a small wonder you can still breathe.

1) You stated that Israel have the right to build settlements in Iraq
2) I provided a link regarding a report which states even the Israelis think they do not have this right.
3) You have no answer to this so you are trying to change the subject.

Fucking moron.



two wrongs do not make a right.

do any of you people have parents or are you just all illegitimate children?

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You should learn nuance.



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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Shins]
    #20318318 - 07/23/14 08:57 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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You don't get it gazzbut.  Jews can do no wrong.



Jews can allow themselves to share land without rocket fire. thats enough.

PS:the Palestinians could have easily have divied up the land but they did not want to, which is why they are in the shit they are in now. Israel settlements in Palestinian land, now there is room for debate there. some of it is legal... and some illegal. the illegal settlements must stop, but the thing is Palestine did not draw up their own lands... they STILL THINK all of Israal is THEIR LAND. they probably still think all of quote unquote the holy land is still their land. just because it says so in their Holy Quran. well sorry. international law trumps religion. all they had to do was draw up their boarders along side Israel and then they would have had a real chance at diplomacy. hell, they are still being given a chance and they do no want it.


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    #20318502 - 07/23/14 09:30 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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It would seem not killing should take priority. I'm stunned I should have even had to say it.



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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20318553 - 07/23/14 09:42 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

they need to be moved behind a boarder of their own and make their own nation of laws and solve their own problems.

PS: especially so idiots will stop bantering about how righteous they are for wanting peace for only one side and hell for the other, under the guise of quote unquote truth.

ie blankk. who is fucking blankk as hell :lol: someone remind me never to go into dialogue with him ever again. he thinks i have been lying all day about how i want peace in the middle east (lol) and how i want Israel to stop doing the underhanded things they are doing and that i want Palestinians to have their own country, and all without war. he believes that when all is said and done, because i do not buy every bit of gobbletygook from him as soothsaying, he thinks i am just convincing myself of lies and that i must be convinced of truth. that truth quote unquote being that Israel are lying thieves and that Palestine should get some land (or all the land, because even though it seems he sways that way, he cannot confirm his prospects to me) and that they deserve it because it was always their land. well, at the same time forgetting the fact of the Jews living there now. but yet he says that he doesnt (or at least he clarifies by omission, because he cant give me a straight answer when i ask him if he just wants Israel gone entirely) want the Jews to just be extradited out to another land, although fuck them just because. :lol:

people are funny. they cant explain themselves and they have extreme amounts of fun with their ignorance and idiocy. kinda a waste of time though. warning to everyone. if you converse with him on the subject you will get walls upon walls of bawking eventually because you dont entirely agree with him, even though you ask him to explain himself and he wont. then hell blame you for that misunderstanding and ask you  quote if you are that simple unquote for thinking so and so, from what you have heard from him, that he is not all for Israel to just get the hell out of their country, durka dur.

which it seems that way. but you cant be to sure. so beware!1

PPS: he says he has generations of experience over my neo-con (lol) Zappa brown nosing. watch out, people, this is guy is cereal; he will LOL at every response you give to him and his bawking until you reveal yourself as a fellow liar, like  teh Jooooz.

lol, i honestly have met a new level of stupidity tonight. wow. LOL


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: akira_akuma]
    #20319805 - 07/24/14 03:40 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

^^ dude is melting hard.  was already banned from the other thread so has to spout his misunderstanding here.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Hobozen]
    #20319817 - 07/24/14 03:48 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

should see these PMS, it is glory.


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    #20319820 - 07/24/14 03:50 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

not exactly. i PMd you to try and help clarify why i dont think you should be calling me black and white, when your thoughts on the situation are so clearly such... then it continued on all night. we agreed about some things disagreed on others even had some lols. i watched that video about the Generals Son you wanted me to watch and i did... i agree with pretty much everything he said... then i told you that if Palestine wants ALL of ISRAEL quote unquote back, then they can only expect war. then you flipped out, forgot about every single correspondence we have made in the last how many hours? and then told me you think you have finally convinced me somehow that ive given up hiding my lies and have somehow realized (like you say you had all along :lol:)  that my quote truth has finally come out unquote.

all because after your display, i told you that i hope Palestine gets quote owned just for you unquote. with a freakin tongue joky smilie. :tongue:

see guys, now that i made that obvious joke to hopefully displace his silly display into more of a regard for sarcasm, for the sake of just getting him to shut up finally, now he is convinced that i have finally fessed up. :lol: boy... the joy and headache of actually seeing full retard.


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    #20319822 - 07/24/14 03:50 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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should see these PMS, it is glory.



PMS, eh, now that is funny considering the flow you have achieved. LOL

he is still PMSing btw, still trying to bawk at me.


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    #20319823 - 07/24/14 03:53 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

i flipped out ?  keep putting words in my mouth , your misunderstanding is clear as day.


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    #20319825 - 07/24/14 03:54 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

ok talking points ok. :lol: (how many times have you said that already? my misunderstandings? lol )

PS: and yes... YOU. you think i flipped out dont you? i knew someone who loses their minds when he drinks too, because he doesnt know when to stop and he is a hipster. are you that guy?


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    #20319826 - 07/24/14 03:56 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

yes, your misunderstanding.

you are melting too hard to get my perspective.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Hobozen]
    #20319836 - 07/24/14 04:03 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

hahahaha let me quote that

Quote:

blankk said:
yes, your misunderstanding.

you are melting too hard to get my perspective.




ahahahaha
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like he is gonna respond to this melt of a post, by Allah, heck no he wont... except in PM. :lol:
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oh shit and more, jeez, now all of sudden, explaining that i want peace over there even if i dont know how to achieve it, not being an Arab or Jew or anything, so of course not... in doing so i am quote unquote changing my story. what does this mean, by Jove? wtf could this possibly imply? :lmafo: i love drunk people but boy i just wish you could get one fucking thing through to them. like holy shit go to bed!1
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i am still trying to get on good terms with this guy and i feel like a fucking diplomat now and i still cant get through to him.

holy shit, i am gimp. :facepalm: :lol: he wanted to talk to me on MSN or someshit... i am fucking lucky i hate message service programs. holy shit... holy dogshit damn internet people friggin optouts! :shakefist: waht a fool i am. oh well. it was kinda funny. :sad: cept for the losing more of my faith in humanity.

oop another PM lets see if there is some gold this time too.

yep, he is running out. poo. but i can agree with one thing, i am banned more then the Jews. LOLOLOLOL right?

because you know... the Jews deserve to be banned. but oh wait, we all want a peaceful solution to the conflict over there, right? :hehehe: right? or is it just more drunken dribble trying to cover up antisemitism?
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so now can i go to sleep? jeez. lets see. other then one sides dissolution in the conflict, the only other solution other then trying to remove Israelites from Israel which would for certain create WW3, hmm, the only other thing i can think of is a two state solution, like has been the the only solution i can see, since well, i ever considered what would be a solution. it is actually pretty clear. lets see if i can go to sleep now. (not that i want to because this is just too fun)
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oop but wait, nope he aint dead yeeeet

other then getting Israelites out of Israel, there is no solution other then one side or the other losing in war or a two state solution but guys... i think i am still misunderstanding the perspective here.

guys help me understand the correct perspective.

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ok, guys i think i have come to the correct perspective... anti-apartheid :lmafo: like ive been saying all along. AHH NOW i make some sense! :highfive:

k its been fun. sorry for this first half a page being all retarded, just ignore it people, unless you wish to heed my warning. blankk is something special and i  want you to know it, beware. :facepalm:

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i flipped outkeep putting words in my mouth , your misunderstanding is clear as day.





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    #20320115 - 07/24/14 06:44 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

in my opinion Israel has the upper hand:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/23/israel-v-gaza-new-technology-new-war/13042365/

they should either do a full scale invasion, end the Hamas reign, or just stop firing back. That is my opinion. They could destroy all rockets with just air strikes. Why do they enter the country, fight their way in, then retreat like it's a game of checkers they won and they are waiting for the next game?

Because they are fucking retarded, and need Kerry to do their ass wiping diplomacy for them, that's why. Kerry is so stupid, when he does your diplomacy, you know you have Allah Akbaring your anus so far up there your brain just doesn't work. Israel is a disgusting country, I can't imagine any jew I'd ever met actually caring about the stupid country. That country to me is not endorsed by Jesus. Who can argue them in favour of anything after them shelling a hospital for example ZAPPA is on drugs that they learned to grow in this forum.

One side = firing unguided rockets hitting basically no one

the other firing guided rockets = killing 75% civilians in the 100s

The whole area needs to be quarantined and Israel should be removed from the UN. This is Bin Laden versus Jesus, and Jesus was nailed to a cross without a fight. Israel ain't Jesus


but Zappaisgod apparently doesn't give two craps about the souls of children who died in a hospital shelled by tank rounds. Is Hamas cowardly to fire out of windows? Yes and Israel wants none of it's lives lost. It could have shelled one window, the one with live fire emerging, then invaded the building with ground troops. But as far as I'm concerned this is a game for Israel, the UN should invade Israel and bring all politicians to a tribunal with severe and swift punishment. Half an invasion = no invasion = 90% dead civilians.

They are willing to put their troops into tunnels but not send them into the hospital with bullet proof vests to fight each floor and avoid killing civilians.

And Hamas is a bunch of retards they don't have the support to fight a full offensive, their lives are probably in the name of Allah. Disgusting, and Israel is willing to do the killing, disgusting. Murder in the middle east, another day, no real surprises. Disgusting


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    #20320575 - 07/24/14 09:03 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Hamas are no longer the terrorists, today they are the victims. The terrorists are IDF, who are now targeting any mass populated area and striking killing civilians. This to me is the equivalent of be headings, make one side feel terror, and cause them to give up entirely.

Perhaps Israel should be blockaded from surrounding countries. I feel at this point Hamas would be better off giving up, but I doubt suicidal Jihadists will consider such an action

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/25/world/middleeast/despite-talk-of-a-cease-fire-no-lull-in-gaza-fighting.html?_r=0



new article:

"Palestinian boys on the steps of St Porphyrios church in Gaza City where hundreds of the displaced are being given shelter. Photograph: Lefteris Pitarakis/AP

The UN has said Israel may have committed war crimes in its offensive against Hamas in Gaza, in which hundreds of Palestinian civilians have been killed in two weeks. In Geneva the UN human rights council voted to launch an international inquiry, with the US opposing the move and 17 countries abstaining.

"There seems to be a strong possibility that international law has been violated, in a manner that could amount to war crimes," Navi Pillay, the UN high commissioner for human rights, said in the debate.

Early on Thursday the US Federal Aviation Authority lifted its ban on US airlines flying in and out of Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion airport. The ban had been in place since Tuesday amid security concerns sparked by Hamas rocket attacks from Gaza . Thousands of tourists and other travellers had been stranded by the ban. El Al, the Israeli national carrier, which continued to fly, hiked fares up to 150% amid a scramble for seats, according to Haaretz.

In permitting the resumption of flights, the FAA said it had "carefully reviewed both significant new information and measures the government of Israel is taking to mitigate potential risks to civil aviation”. But it warned it would "continue to closely monitor the very fluid situation around Ben Gurion airport and will take additional actions as necessary”.

Hamas's leader-in-exile, Khaled Mishal, said the organisation would consider a humanitarian truce in the 16-day conflict in Gaza if Israel agreed to lift its blockade.

But in a restatement of the Hamas position set out more than a week ago, Mishal told a news conference in Doha on Wednesday night that he would not agree to a full ceasefire until terms had been negotiated. Hamas wants crossings from Gaza to Egypt and Israel opened and Palestinian prisoners released.

The Egyptian government has proposed both sides halt fighting first and then negotiate. "Everyone wanted us to accept a ceasefire and then negotiate for our rights. We reject this and we reject it again today," Mishal said. But he added that Hamas "will not close the door" to a humanitarian truce if Israel ended its siege of Gaza.

Mishal's statement came after the US secretary of state, John Kerry, shuttled between Jerusalem and Ramallah for talks with Israeli, Palestinian and UN leaders in an urgent quest for a deal to end the fighting. "We have certainly made small steps forward," he said between meetings, but added: "There is still work to be done."

Philip Hammond, the British foreign secretary, was also in the region for talks about a possible ceasefire.

Israel has continued to pound the Gaza Strip with hundreds of people trapped in the village of Khuzaar, near Khan Younis, unable to escape the bombardment. The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) negotiated a brief pause on Wednesday to allow a convoy of ambulances to evacuate the wounded. Similar lightning evacuations were undertaken in Shujai'iya, scene of a bloody battle on Sunday, and Beit Hanoun in northern Gaza.

Aid agencies said a child had been killed every hour on average in the past two days and there had been a sharp spike in premature births. Gaza officials said more than 3,000 homes had been destroyed or damaged and 46 schools, 56 mosques and seven hospitals had been hit. Israel claims that militants fire rockets from and store weapons in civilian buildings. Hamas and other militant organisations have continued to fire rockets at Israel.

As the death toll on the 16th day of conflict topped 700 – more than 690 Palestinians and 34 Israelis plus one Thai agricultural worker – Pillay told an emergency debate at the UN human rights council (UNHRC) in Geneva that Israel had not done enough to protect civilians, citing air strikes and the shelling of homes and hospitals."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/24/un-issues-gaza-war-crimes-warning-as-flights-to-israel-resume




As the US, I guess we reap what we sow, now quite literally providing aid after arming Israel with billions. Boy do I hate Obama today :facepalm:

"On Monday, Israeli warplanes fired 182 missiles into Gaza, Israeli ships launched 146 shells into the territory, and Israeli tanks shot 721 shells, with all these attacks striking 66 structures and killing 107 Palestinians (including 35 children), while Hamas launched 101 rockets toward Israel, and 13 Israeli soldiers were killed. That day, the State Department announced that the United States would be providing $47 million "to help address the humanitarian situation in Gaza." A third of these funds would go to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA), which is providing food, water, and shelter to tens of thousands of war-affected Palestinians in Gaza. So once again, US taxpayers are in an absurd place: They are partly paying for the Israeli military action in Gaza and funding the cleanup.

Each year, the United States gives Israel about $3.1 billion in military assistance, a commitment that stems from the 1978 Camp David accord that led to peace between Israel and Egypt. Those billions are roughly divided into two funding streams. About $800 million underwrites Israeli manufacturing of weaponry and military products. The rest finances what is essentially a gift card that the Israeli military uses to procure arms and military equipment from US military contractors. It can be safely assumed, says a US expert on aid to Israel, that all units of the Israel Defense Forces benefit from US assistance—and this obviously includes those units fighting in Gaza. So to a certain degree, the destruction in Gaza does have a made-in-the-USA stamp.

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But at the same time, the US government is financing efforts to deal with the awful consequences of Israeli attacks. The UNWRA noted in a July 21 situation report that it is operating 67 shelters that are harboring more than 84,000 Palestinians. It is distributing food (in one day, nearly 55,000 tins of tuna and 16,000 loaves of bread), water, baby hygiene kits, blankets, and mattresses to these shelters. It is removing solid waste. It is running up to 21 health clinics, as security permits. The report notes that UNWRA's shelters are overwhelmed with huge numbers of displaced Palestinians, adding: "The continuing conflict is having an impact on delivery of basic services. Despite a strong commitment from UNRWA sanitation staff, the Agency is struggling to maintain solid waste management operations in the context of ongoing escalations in violence and high numbers of [displaced persons] in shelters. This presents a potential serious public health risk." The report also says the UNRWA is trying to educate children to leave unexploded ordnance alone."

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    #20321243 - 07/24/14 12:41 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Israel bombed a school where children wete taking refuge.    But its ok bevause jews are gods chosen and Palestinian gentiles are subhuman.


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Israel bombed a school where children wete taking refuge.    But its ok bevause jews are gods chosen and Palestinian gentiles are subhuman.




Anything less and you're an anti-Semite.


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    #20321281 - 07/24/14 12:47 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

:lolwut:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/dermer-idf-deserves-nobel-peace-prize-for-unimaginable-restraint/

I guess if Obama can get a peace prize then anyone can. :shrug: who wants to see what things are like without unimaginable restraint

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    #20321291 - 07/24/14 12:50 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/24/world/meast/mideast-crisis/

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    #20321402 - 07/24/14 01:19 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-23/kerry-s-gaza-truce-bid-undercut-by-rifts-in-region.html

Apparently Kerry is wrestling a Truce. Hamas shows no signs of being willing to disarm. Israel cares not to allow access past the blockade. Hamas says they need trade to support their economy and pay 30,000 employees wages. Kerry will try and negotiate with Egypt as its the only slightly likely possible country in terms of negotiating trade beyond the blockade

Which will probably bring temporary peace in the region at the least.

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    #20321408 - 07/24/14 01:22 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Hamas isn't going to give up jack shit now, Egypt has sealed all the tunnels they used to smuggle, not only medical supplies and food, but also arms into Gaza.

Hamas probably feels no different than the Nebraskan man who thinks the government will murder him after he's disarmed.


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    #20321553 - 07/24/14 02:07 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Hamas aren't angels, they are suicidal Islamic jihadist extremists. But as far as international law goes, I believe Gaza was illegally blockaded by Israel anyway. I think perhaps the god damn UN needs to decide who can and can't be assisted by those breaking international UN law anyway. None of these international laws matter. Its like the UN just cares about........ Fuck if I know

They care about what country sucks the council off the most. I am no Islamic supporter, and don't respect Hamas, but believe Israel has just violated so many damn international laws, I can't imagine anyone supporting them anymore


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    #20321587 - 07/24/14 02:18 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

LDS is another word game player like failcoon. Zap is so pro-jewish and anti-everyone else he can only curse when his arguments are destroyed.

"spoils of war" was never recognized as a tenent of international law. Its the bully's and thieves' rational. "Defensive war" like the '67 war that was launched by isreal and included a deliberate attack on the uss liberty?


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    #20321651 - 07/24/14 02:38 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

:lmafo:


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    #20321731 - 07/24/14 03:00 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

what's funny about that?

Israel did invade the Jordanian West Bank and entered their airspace illegally, as well as bombed Egypt.

Israel might have felt uneasy about Arab solidarity, and an inevitable war, but they definitely started the Six Day War, as well as intentionally attacked the USS Liberty.


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    #20321843 - 07/24/14 03:26 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

There's nothing funny about Israel and Gaza.

What's funny is him.  I was getting ready to call him a one-trick pony when it dawned on me he didn't even have the one.

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    #20322527 - 07/24/14 05:39 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Stop settlements and end the blockade would be good for having hamas not fire rockets.




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^^ dude is melting hard.  was already banned from the other thread so has to spout his misunderstanding here.



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    #20322567 - 07/24/14 05:46 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

last night was fun. i couldn't comprehend anything, my perspective was so bad. :sadyes: but blankk showed me that i should be anti-apartheid, but hate everything about the Jews for stealing their land. right?
















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Hamas are no longer the terrorists, today they are the victims. The terrorists are IDF, who are now targeting any mass populated area and striking killing civilians. This to me is the equivalent of be headings, make one side feel terror, and cause them to give up entirely.




I think you need a dictionary.  War cannot be terrorism.  Terrorism only occurs during peace time.  When you are at war, and the war is 100% a Hamas creation, there is no terrorism.  Just war.
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Perhaps Israel should be blockaded from surrounding countries. I feel at this point Hamas would be better off giving up, but I doubt suicidal Jihadists will consider such an action






No they won't.  Which is why they must be killed.

How come none of you are crying for Egypt to open their border with Gaza?  Is it because you are phonies, dupes or Jew haters?


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    #20322578 - 07/24/14 05:48 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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last night was fun. i couldn't comprehend anything, my perspective was so bad. :sadyes: but blankk showed me that i should be anti-apartheid, but hate everything about the Jews for stealing their land. right?




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    #20322596 - 07/24/14 05:52 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

yeah i never realized it but i never had a serious conversation with him before, man i could have been so pissed yesterday, if i didn't actually feel sorry.


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last night was fun. i couldn't comprehend anything, my perspective was so bad. :sadyes: but blankk showed me that i should be anti-apartheid, but hate everything about the Jews for stealing their land. right?




hate everything about the jews :lol:

i've already told you there are some good Jews who are against their own Govt



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last night was fun. i couldn't comprehend anything, my perspective was so bad. :sadyes: but blankk showed me that i should be anti-apartheid, but hate everything about the Jews for stealing their land. right?




hate everything about the jews :lol:

i've already told you there are some good Jews who are against their own Govt



ok thur. but them other Jews should probably ya know... kick off, right?

but you know what it doesn't matter. dude, you argued with me all last night, when the only thing we could possibly disagree with is that Israel doesn't need to get dissolved. everything else we agree about but you still got all pissy calling me shit and saying i was simple and shit and over what? then i said Palestine, if it gets wreaked, i hope it does for YOUR sake, cause maybe then you would realize how stupid it would be for Palestine to try and "take back" all of Israel, cause Israel would give them the boot. and even more lives would be lost.

it seems to me you want a more violent solution then a less violent one. Ethics. learn it.


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but you still got all pissy calling me shit and saying i was simple and shit and over what?




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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Hobozen]
    #20322681 - 07/24/14 06:06 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Oh you put your own words in your mouth blankkk


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Hobozen]
    #20322687 - 07/24/14 06:08 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

blankk said:
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but you still got all pissy calling me shit and saying i was simple and shit and over what?




if you wouldn't have kept assuming stuff and putting words in my mouth, i wouldn't have kept calling you out.



so you weren't drunk? yikes.

i didn't say YOU said anything. not once. lol


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: akira_akuma]
    #20322695 - 07/24/14 06:09 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Oh I don't think it was the drink talking at all


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza *DELETED* [Re: akira_akuma]
    #20322705 - 07/24/14 06:12 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Hobozen]
    #20322718 - 07/24/14 06:13 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

i am "impressed".

literally, my brain is impressed with entirely too much bullshit from last night to be on good terms. blankk, man dude... guy... son... Jesus.

seriously. k, i let it go this isn't fair. no one can tell what kinda insanity i had gone through with you last night. this is just an advocating of putting up warning signs every fifty feet for the next mile posted around your location at all times.

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LOL, no.



yeah, well like i said i am "impressed". you think i did shit that i didn't even do. that's why for several hours of amazement i just told you off entirely. :lol: you still think some crazy shit i said happened. like yikes. zoinks@! jinkies!1


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: akira_akuma]
    #20322724 - 07/24/14 06:14 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

reply to fail.  I think


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Hobozen]
    #20322733 - 07/24/14 06:16 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

this isn't fair. i concede. blankk, whatever the fuck you think happened man, that's the official story, k man?

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zappaisgod said:
reply to fail.  I think



oops, yep.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza *DELETED* [Re: akira_akuma]
    #20322735 - 07/24/14 06:16 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Hobozen]
    #20322736 - 07/24/14 06:17 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, in your imagination. damn, i'm in fucking shellshock. better go take some shrooms.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
    #20322746 - 07/24/14 06:17 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

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Spillover from Pub ban pollutes thread. Past salvaging now.


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