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OfflineThe Ecstatic
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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20307858 - 07/21/14 08:23 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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The only way you can justify the Hamas rocket fire is by de legitimizing the existence of Israel entirely.  The Hamas charter specifically calls for Israel's destruction.  It is their raison d'etre.




I don't think anyone is defending the actions of Hamas.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
    #20307868 - 07/21/14 08:24 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
    #20307914 - 07/21/14 08:33 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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The only way you can justify the Hamas rocket fire is by de legitimizing the existence of Israel entirely.  The Hamas charter specifically calls for Israel's destruction.  It is their raison d'etre.




How would a group of people in a city go about leaving the city and trading outside the city if the other body of government governing them even though they have their own government won't allow it and have guns to stop them

Perhaps rocket bombing civilians is not the answer, but what is the answer? How can an economy grow if it is limited to trading outside of itself.

Let's say for example Gaza mines gold but cannot farm food or cannot irrigate or whatever just a fucking example I don't keep up with the damn economy in the middle east. Not letting them trade is the same as saying "starve to death"




Not true at all and I will say this yet again.  They have a border with Egypt.  Egypt has shut that border just as tight as Israel.  Israel would have to be insane to allow these people to cross their border for any reason whatsoever.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
    #20307920 - 07/21/14 08:34 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/pics-thousands-march-for-gaza-1.1722241#.U83KXVFwqXo

care to see both sides of the fence?



This is nothing new.  The world has no shortage of useful idiots.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
    #20307926 - 07/21/14 08:35 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I meant anyone in this thread


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20307988 - 07/21/14 08:45 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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imachavel said:
http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/pics-thousands-march-for-gaza-1.1722241#.U83KXVFwqXo

care to see both sides of the fence?



This is nothing new.  The world has no shortage of useful idiots.




useful idiot? Please define it for me. Check out Israels latest "non criminal" approach, bombing a hospital :clap:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/21/un-security-council-demands-gaza-cease-fire-stops-short-calling-for-israel/

"Israeli fighter planes hit homes and a high-rise tower in Gaza Monday and seven Israeli soldiers, including an officer, were killed in a firefight there as more violence overshadowed hope for peace negotiations.

Sirens wailed and loud explosions rocked the streets of Gaza as Israeli planes continued to strike homes and Hamas fired more rockets.

United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Cairo Monday for a new round of negotiations to end two weeks of deadly fighting.

Across Gaza, Israeli fighter planes hit homes and a high-rise tower, burying families in the rubble. The strike on the Gaza City tower brought down most of the building, killing 11 people -- including six members of the same family -- and wounding 40, said Palestinian health official Ashraf al-Kidra.

Israeli tanks, meanwhile, shelled a hospital in central Gaza, killing four people and wounding dozens as the daily death toll surpassed 100 for a second day. Israel said the shelling targeted rockets hidden near the compound, and accused militants of using civilians as shields."



LOOK WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO KILL YOU, CAN YOU NOT USE CIVILIANS AS SHIELDS IN YOUR HOSPITALS? IT'S NOT FAIR! WE WERE TRYING TO BLOW YOU UP AND YOUR MILITANT FRIENDS, NOT THE DAMN CIVILIANS IN THE HOSPITAL! WE ARE GOOD PEOPLE! REALLY


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
    #20308016 - 07/21/14 08:49 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

bummer though

"Kerry said Sunday that the U.S. supports the Egyptian proposal for a halt to the hostilities that Israel accepted and Hamas rejected last week."

just like the damn Arabs to bacha bazi their children and not give a shit about their own people in the name of suicide in the light of Jihad. But who really knows.... who fires first each time...... who really knows........


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20308300 - 07/21/14 09:35 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Neither side is ever willing to say "you got the last shot, not let's stop".



Actually Israel has done that many times.  The Israelis gave the Gaza Strip that they won fair and square in a war back to the monsters.  What did they get?  Rockets and suicide bombers.



When Israel gave the Gaza Strip to Palestine, they accelerated their land grabs into the West Bank.  Gaza was a smokescreen.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20309999 - 07/22/14 07:38 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Like I said: two sides terrible monsters in a horrible war. I think its obvious Hamas is up against a force they have no chance against. They do not have tanks. They are fanatic Islamics, but whatever its all murder. Shelling a hospital wtf then we have Kerry the diplomat headed there. Maybe he will get a shoe thrown at him


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
    #20310032 - 07/22/14 07:49 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I wonder how things will proceed now that Israel has invaded the Gaza strip. Hamas has no chance, but how far and long will they fight back?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/19/bombing-and-invading-gaza-is-israel-s-peace-plan.html


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20311423 - 07/22/14 03:22 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Neither side is ever willing to say "you got the last shot, not let's stop".



Actually Israel has done that many times.  The Israelis gave the Gaza Strip that they won fair and square in a war back to the monsters.  What did they get?  Rockets and suicide bombers.



When Israel gave the Gaza Strip to Palestine, they accelerated their land grabs into the West Bank.  Gaza was a smokescreen.



They own the West Bank.  They can't make any more land grabs there since it is theirs.  I also believe that your assertion that there was an acceleration is false.  Did you know that they also dragged some settlers out of their houses?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israeli-settlers-evacuated-from-west-bank-outpost-following-court-order/2012/09/02/e2a65fa2-f528-11e1-86a5-1f5431d87dfd_story.html

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Migron, considered the flagship of about 100 wildcat outposts built by settlers on West Bank hills, was ordered removed by the Israeli Supreme Court because it was built without official permits on land privately owned by Palestinians.

After years of legal wrangling and repeated delays by the Israeli government, the hilltop community of about 50 religiously observant families living in mobile homes was emptied with virtually no resistance from the settlers, other than a few holdouts who had to be carried off by police.




That was in 2012.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #20311601 - 07/22/14 04:21 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I wonder what Israel would do if Palestinians started illegally stealing Israeli land and bulldozing Israeli homes?

I would assume they would attack and attack hard. Zappa and Luvdem would fully support this of course. Why not when the boot is on the the other foot? Palestinian land is stolen regularly in flagrant abuse of international law and the international community does fuck all to stop it....is this not provocation?


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: GazzBut]
    #20311730 - 07/22/14 04:53 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Never change. I appreciate the laughs for your simplistic positions.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20311771 - 07/22/14 05:03 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

You sre obviously losing your memory in your old age Luvedem. But I can take you to school one more time.

Perhaps you would care to explain why illegally occupying land would not be considered provacation?


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: GazzBut] * 1
    #20311794 - 07/22/14 05:07 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

You don't get it gazzbut.  Jews can do no wrong.


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    #20311808 - 07/22/14 05:13 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Hmmmmm...But that cant be the case Shins because there are a large amount of Jews who do not support Israel's actions at all and are in fact horrified by them...Ahhh hold on, what Luvdem and Zappa must mean is that Zionists can do no wrong!


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: GazzBut]
    #20311899 - 07/22/14 05:29 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I wonder what Israel would do if Palestinians started illegally stealing Israeli land and bulldozing Israeli homes?

I would assume they would attack and attack hard. Zappa and Luvdem would fully support this of course. Why not when the boot is on the the other foot? Palestinian land is stolen regularly in flagrant abuse of international law and the international community does fuck all to stop it....is this not provocation?



Palestinian land is not being stolen.  Certainly not in Gaza where all the trouble is coming from.  The West Bank is Israeli conquered territory.  It belongs to Israel just as much as California belongs to the US, alas.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Shins]
    #20311905 - 07/22/14 05:30 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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You don't get it gazzbut.  Jews can do no wrong.



I wouldn't be talking if I were you Adolf.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20311954 - 07/22/14 05:38 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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The West Bank is Israeli conquered territory




Not conquered, occupied. It is against international law to build settlements in occupied territory.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20312163 - 07/22/14 06:16 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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GazzBut said:
I wonder what Israel would do if Palestinians started illegally stealing Israeli land and bulldozing Israeli homes?

I would assume they would attack and attack hard. Zappa and Luvdem would fully support this of course. Why not when the boot is on the the other foot? Palestinian land is stolen regularly in flagrant abuse of international law and the international community does fuck all to stop it....is this not provocation?



Palestinian land is not being stolen.  Certainly not in Gaza where all the trouble is coming from.  The West Bank is Israeli conquered territory.  It belongs to Israel just as much as California belongs to the US, alas.




there are not two separate governments governing the us and one governing California. California state government is a sub-government of the us government, it is simply a more local branch for the state of California which is united.

Gaza is self governed, they have their own weapons, etc. Personally I hope Israel ends this toying game letting Gaza govern itself and just bombing hospitals and shit when Gaza sends some random rockets. Might as well just do a full invasion and remove Hamas. What does the UN have to say? Fucking where is Obama to tell the UN what to do?

Where is George Bush? God dammit, we are involved in this. I don't want to admit it, but nothing happens without the US say so, practically. I hate war, and take overs and removal of rights from citizens, but would like to stop seeing hospitals get bombed. Cmon Israel, hurry up and take over Gaza. This whole stupid mess is because of Israel irresponsibility. They think war is fun. The middle east is a playground for war man

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118752/israel-ground-invasion-gaza-why-netanyahu-sent-troops


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